How out-dated am I?

Alright I'm posting some of my basic system specs. I don't know if its time to build a new computer. I've seen tonnes of benchmarks and reviews for all the new hardware (CPUs, GPUs, hard-drives, SSDs, motherboards etc)... but I have no idea what these results really mean or what they are like in a real-life scenario.

So behold my system specifications, and let me know if its time for a new computer:

CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Prescott) 3.2 Ghz

GPU: Integrated graphics

Motherboard: Intel D865GVHZ Micro-ATX (No PCI-e, no AGP, no SATA, only IDE)

RAM: 768 MB DDR

Storage: 20 GB IDE hard-drive + 160 GB IDE hard-drive

DVD/RW: LG 52x (IDE)

PSU: 230W

Screen: 18" CRT
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  1. Very outdated. I am assuming you got this 5-7 years ago?
  2. Well there were computers faster than yours back in 2006, todays computers are much much faster than what your using right now. You are very dated in my opinion, I would of replaced that thing years ago.
  3. some smart phones today have better specs! you could rebuild and do flips around that system with today's components.
  4. amuffin said:
    Very outdated. I am assuming you got this 5-7 years ago?


    More like 9 years. That was the top end Pentium 4 (S478 I would assume) back in 2003, just before they brought out S775 in 2004 with the 90nm Prescott based Pentium 4s.

    He is way outdated. OP, time for a new PC. Anything will do, even the lowest end AMD/Intel based PC will make yours look archaic.
  5. This computer is from 2004 and I'm assuming the 20GB HDD is even older. Now old isn't the problem--it's the fact that with new computers, you don't have to wait several seconds every time you click something.

    The fact is, if you just pick up a new $250 computer, you'll notice a significant improvement in day-to-day tasks like starting up the computer, browsing the web (online info will pop up quickly and videos will play more smoothly). For most people, I'd recommend a laptop as a new computer.

    For a couple people, especially those interested in customizing down the line, a desktop has a use.


    EDIT: OP, if you do decide to get a new computer, feel free to post a thread to that effect (link it here) and we'll answer any questions you have to help you make the best purchasing decision. In terms of upgrades, even something like this $169.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883148004 (note that it has no OS, so you'd have to install Windows yourself).
  6. jimmysmitty said:
    More like 9 years. That was the top end Pentium 4 (S478 I would assume) back in 2003, just before they brought out S775 in 2004 with the 90nm Prescott based Pentium 4s.
    Didn't he say his was Prescott?
  7. dalauder said:
    Didn't he say his was Prescott?


    Ahh I missed that. Seems strange to have a Prescott Pentium 4 with a mobo with no SATA, no PCIe or AGP when I had a 845PE chipset 3.2GHz Pentium 4 Northwood that had SATA and AGP. One of the first SATA mobos out.

    I would guess he got a extreme cheap mobo if it didn't have SATA or AGP.
  8. Ohmybad said:
    some smart phones today have better specs! you could rebuild and do flips around that system with today's components.

    some?
    my iphone 4 has better specs than that
  9. A modern computer is two to three times faster per core and have typically four times as many cores. A modern large hard drive is also two to three times faster and a SSD is a LOT faster. Graphics cards have similarly improved.
    Your system is now obsolete.
  10. I think my grandma has better rig lol
    Jokes aside I stopped reading after P4

    The thing is you need to know how you feel. Do you feel that your PC is slow and have to wait forever till you open anything? If that is so upgrade...is a must.
    If you go on your PC once or twice a week and have no issues there is no need to upgrade if you are happy with what you have...Perhaps it would be the best for you to get a laptop.
    In any case tell us what do you want to do with your PC and what is your budget.

    Good luck

    Max
  11. I'd too say it depends on what you actually do with that PC. Like browsing the internet every now and then doesn't need a new PC. If it still works for you, that's fine. :)
  12. jimmysmitty said:
    Ahh I missed that. Seems strange to have a Prescott Pentium 4 with a mobo with no SATA, no PCIe or AGP when I had a 845PE chipset 3.2GHz Pentium 4 Northwood that had SATA and AGP. One of the first SATA mobos out.

    I would guess he got a extreme cheap mobo if it didn't have SATA or AGP.
    I built a Willamette P4 w/ Rambus back in 2001 and even that had AGP. But I've actually seen a couple of OEM P4's that didn't have anything but PCI for graphics add-ons.

    Anyhow, OP, action is on you. What would you like to do and we'll give you more tips than you need.
  13. You are using an outdated PC Pentium 4, The CPU has only 1 core, can't do multi-tasking. Its a thing of the past. Good for MS Office 2003.Probably the OS was Windows Me, or Windows XP?
  14. If you want to upgrade your PC i would recommend a Pentium G620.
  15. Not to mention getting a new PC (especially Ivy Bridge) will cut his electricity bills by a ton.

    I heard Ivys gonna update the G860s. I recommend you start there. Wait a few months, save up, build a small G860 system (or any other Ivy Bridge), add an SSD, and be blown away by the speed of your new build.
  16. i bet it plays DOOM at an insane frame rate! :)
  17. Toss that puter, you can't do anything with it.
    Or else give it to grand ma so she can google recipes all day =P
  18. What are you using it to - browsing or gaming or downloading movies convert them?

    In every aspect you will get more friendly useability - faster browsing better

    showing of sites - gaming will be faster and more beautyfull pictures - converting

    movies will be alot faster.
  19. Hahaha that's quite a lot of replies guys! Didn't see that coming! Yeah the PC was built back in 2003, I was only 8 years old at the time. Cost $1400 back in the days...

    I'll be leaving for college in a few months. Family will keep grandpa-desktop here, I'll either build a new one or buy a new laptop.

    Just wondering, would you good folks please help me decide between an Intel or AMD build? I know the i3 2100 performs roughly on the same level to a Phenom II X4... but which one to choose??? i3 2100 is only dual-core... but with HT, so... but no overclocking capabilities (does it really matter?). X4, on the other hand, has 4 physical cores and can overclock.

    Please note, I'm not trying to build a gaming-only desktop. I want a good all-rounder (includes gaming, video-editing, simulations etc), and I most likely wont upgrade in the future.

    I'm broadly thinking:
    1) I3 2100, H61 LGA 1155 board (doubt I'll be OC'ing anytime in the future or caring about the whole SSD-caching thing), Radeon 6850 / GTX 460, 500GB 7200 rpm etc...

    2) Phenom II X4, AM3 board (doubt I'll upgrade to Bulldozer or Piledriver), Radeon 6850, 500 GB 7200 rpm etc...

    Please help me folks, any better suggestions?
  20. Seriously, I nearly spilled my tea onto my laptop! That is one heck of a computer... Woah... seriously old...

    *Ahem* About your question, yes, you will need to upgrade your computer. That is all I will say...
  21. bestlink101 said:
    some?
    my iphone 4 has better specs than that


    LOL. I like that. "even my crappy iPhone 4 is faster than that"
  22. Mr Forde3654Eire,

    Please look at these specs and prices... it should be cheap enough...

    CPU: Intel i3-2100 (Sandybridge) @ 3.1GHz
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-SandybridgeCore-Quad-Core-Processor-Warranty/dp/B004FA8NPK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332150247&sr=8-1

    If you have just a little more in your pocket, then please get yourself an i5 processor. Here is the link...

    Intel Sandybridge i5-2300 @ 2.8GHz
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Sandybridge-i5-2300-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B004FA8NR8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1332151338&sr=8-3

    Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-V LX
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-P8Z68-V-LX-Motherboard-LucidLogix/dp/B005FSHIVG/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1332150630&sr=1-4

    Memory: 8GB DDR3 (@ £39 ~ £42)
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9-1600MHz-Vengeance-Memory/dp/B004CRSM4I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1332150924&sr=8-2

    OS: Windows 7 (x64) Home Premium

    GPU: ATi Sapphire HD 6750 (2GB)
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-HD6750-DDR3-Graphics-Card/dp/B005T4M8SY/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1332150400&sr=1-2

    If you want a monster or horse-power (kind off, not sure what to say..), then look at ATi 6850 Edition. That would cost you around £120 ~ £130... if you have the budget...

    Sapphire ATi HD 6850 (1GB)
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-11180-00-20R-HD6850-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B0048027IQ/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1332151440&sr=1-3


    HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB (That is the biggest + cheapest I can find)
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Caviar-Internal-WD5000AAKS/dp/B000Q82PIQ/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1332150550&sr=1-7

    Computer Case: It's your choice and colour or whatever fancy your boots! :)
  23. i would suggest no lower than a i3 2120, a little more bang for your buck over the 2100. but really do yourself a favor and get an i5 2300. quad core would be better for video editing and simulations

    and instead of a H61 a H67 would provide better connectivity for any needed peripherals down the line.

    most of all get a good quality PSU!
  24. We would expect to see you here in about 8-12 years with the similar thread :)
    If you are going to collage get a laptop it will be much more handy and you can take it to the classroom work from everywhere.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246327

    good luck
  25. Laptops are much more useful in college, just can't beat the portability of bringing it to classes that allow and to study groups and such.
  26. maxinexus said:
    We would expect to see you here in about 8-12 years with the similar thread :)
    If you are going to collage get a laptop it will be much more handy and you can take it to the classroom work from everywhere.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246327

    good luck


    Hey mate, that's a very nice pick actually! Very similar to one I was looking at and for a lower price! I think I'll get that Lenovo... but can someone please give me their opinions on the following ASUS and MSI laptops?

    I want something that's reliable and wont break down on me or overheat... I know Lenovo was originally IBM (an excellent brand), but afterwards all the laptops were made in China and sold as Lenovo...

    http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Computer-X460DX-291US-14-Inch-Laptop/dp/tech-data/B007E795ZS/ref=de_a_smtd

    http://www.amazon.com/K53SV-B1-15-6-Inch-Versatile-Entertainment-Laptop/dp/B004YW6HP2/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1332171599&sr=1-4
  27. Edit: this here has more detailed specs: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152319
  28. Think of all the money he's saved by not upgrading every year.
    8 years of computing off of $1400.

    I'd say get a $1400 laptop but I haven't seen one last over 4 years. Something always happens. They get dropped, spilled on, fallen asleep on.

    I would get a cheap laptop ($350-400 ) for ease of taking notes in class, and spend the rest on a decent desktop ($750-1000).
  29. Way past time for a new build ^_^. Time to build a new system.
  30. I replaced my Pentium 4 2.4GHz with i5 2500K few days ago. Words cannot describe the difference.
  31. Forde3654Eire said:
    Hey mate, that's a very nice pick actually! Very similar to one I was looking at and for a lower price! I think I'll get that Lenovo... but can someone please give me their opinions on the following ASUS and MSI laptops?

    I want something that's reliable and wont break down on me or overheat... I know Lenovo was originally IBM (an excellent brand), but afterwards all the laptops were made in China and sold as Lenovo...

    http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Computer-X460DX-291US-14-Inch-Laptop/dp/tech-data/B007E795ZS/ref=de_a_smtd

    http://www.amazon.com/K53SV-B1-15-6-Inch-Versatile-Entertainment-Laptop/dp/B004YW6HP2/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1332171599&sr=1-4



    Lenovo still makes a fine product, but I would get the ASUS. Stay away from MSI. I know they have improved, but they left a nasty taste in a lot of peoples mouth's with their faulty jack-caps from the early 00's.
  32. Forde3654Eire said:
    Hahaha that's quite a lot of replies guys! Didn't see that coming! Yeah the PC was built back in 2003, I was only 8 years old at the time. Cost $1400 back in the days...

    I'll be leaving for college in a few months. Family will keep grandpa-desktop here, I'll either build a new one or buy a new laptop.

    Just wondering, would you good folks please help me decide between an Intel or AMD build? I know the i3 2100 performs roughly on the same level to a Phenom II X4... but which one to choose??? i3 2100 is only dual-core... but with HT, so... but no overclocking capabilities (does it really matter?). X4, on the other hand, has 4 physical cores and can overclock.

    Please note, I'm not trying to build a gaming-only desktop. I want a good all-rounder (includes gaming, video-editing, simulations etc), and I most likely wont upgrade in the future.

    I'm broadly thinking:
    1) I3 2100, H61 LGA 1155 board (doubt I'll be OC'ing anytime in the future or caring about the whole SSD-caching thing), Radeon 6850 / GTX 460, 500GB 7200 rpm etc...

    2) Phenom II X4, AM3 board (doubt I'll upgrade to Bulldozer or Piledriver), Radeon 6850, 500 GB 7200 rpm etc...

    Please help me folks, any better suggestions?
    Forde, this thread is filled with a bunch of amusing comments about your old build that won't help with your new one. Please start a new thread starting by filling this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice

    That link I gave you asks all the questions we need to get you the best computer for your buck, regardless of whether or not you build it yourself.

    EDIT: As far as laptops (like the one you linked on Newegg). You'll have to decide your budget and whether you expect to game a lot on it or encode video (you're going to college, so I'd go for gaming). Right now, you can pick up the HP dv6z Quad w/ A6 & Radeon 7690M for $550 or so: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/store_access.do?template_type=series_detail&category=notebooks&series_name=dv6zqe_series&jumpid=em_r329_hhos_6115&userMail=epp&aoid=118688&email=null&rid=E7925506472AA43270C568C949961F5A
    Go to http://notebookcheck.net to compare laptop CPUs and GPUs. AMD gets better graphics for cheap. Intel has stronger CPUs, in a nutshell.
  33. Forde3654Eire said:
    Alright I'm posting some of my basic system specs. I don't know if its time to build a new computer. I've seen tonnes of benchmarks and reviews for all the new hardware (CPUs, GPUs, hard-drives, SSDs, motherboards etc)... but I have no idea what these results really mean or what they are like in a real-life scenario.

    So behold my system specifications, and let me know if its time for a new computer:

    CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Prescott) 3.2 Ghz

    GPU: Integrated graphics

    Motherboard: Intel D865GVHZ Micro-ATX (No PCI-e, no AGP, no SATA, only IDE)

    RAM: 768 MB DDR

    Storage: 20 GB IDE hard-drive + 160 GB IDE hard-drive

    DVD/RW: LG 52x (IDE)

    PSU: 230W

    Screen: 18" CRT



    yeah sell that setup asap and get a socket am3+ motherboard witha fx4100 or something along the lines of that, or if u want intel get a socket 1155 and wait till there new ivybridge cpu comes out in june ish, works with 1155 socket. there ddr3 boards, ur current is ddr1. so i wouldnget get anything older always get the newest line of mobos if ur startin from scratch. get a graphics card for sure, radeon 6850s are nice for the money.
  34. I still wish they had made an i3-2120K
  35. Anonymous said:
    I replaced my Pentium 4 2.4GHz with i5 2500K few days ago. Words cannot describe the difference.


    Awesome.

    That describes it pretty well I would think.
  36. amuffin said:
    I still wish they had made an i3-2120K

    NOSH!T
  37. amuffin said:
    I still wish they had made an i3-2120K
    I can pretty much guarantee I'd own one if they'd made it.

    I'd be so happy if they made a "K" series i3 for Ivy Bridge. But I'm pretty sure they want the i5-K to be the gamer's choice. If the i3-2100 could hit 4.7GHz, it might not bottleneck any games.
  38. OP, take a look at this laptop with the Radeon 6650M for $409. You won't beat this until Trinity & Ivy Bridge are out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230216

    And the A6-3400M often OC's to 2.4GHz, so it can get a lot closer to the mobile i5 than you might be thinking. If I were looking for a laptop, I'd get this, plop in a $110 OCZ Agility 3 or Patriot Pyro, & OC it.
  39. Ohmybad said:
    some smart phones today have better specs! you could rebuild and do flips around that system with today's components.


    I think you mean most...many smartphones today have like double that RAM and dual core CPU's on top of much more advanced architectures.
  40. blackhawk1928 said:
    I think you mean most...many smartphones today have like double that RAM and dual core CPU's on top of much more advanced architectures.


    Not sure I would say more advanced as his CPU is OoO while most of the ARM smartphone CPUs are still IO based.
  41. blackhawk1928 said:
    I think you mean most...many smartphones today have like double that RAM and dual core CPU's on top of much more advanced architectures.
    I'd like to see some benchmarks of smartphones against PC hardware--maybe on Android since it can run on both. I'm skeptical about these 1GHz dual-core smartphones being faster than a 3.0GHz Pentium 4 Prescott in anything other than multi-tasking.

    Research 1 favoring Pentium 4 by 27x: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/92461/is-this-a-valid-smartphone-cpu-vs-desktop-cpu-speed-comparison-android-g1-vs
    Research 2: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2206486

    Just because it's a quad-core doesn't mean it can do anything other than multi-task quickly.
  42. dalauder said:
    I'd like to see some benchmarks of smartphones against PC hardware--maybe on Android since it can run on both. I'm skeptical about these 1GHz dual-core smartphones being faster than a 3.0GHz Pentium 4 Prescott in anything other than multi-tasking.


    We will actually get a pretty close preview in a few months when the Medfield smartphones come out. That Atom is a bit better than a Pentium 4 but its still not OoO execution and as well its clocked lower.

    Still a Pentium 4 vs a current ARM dual core would be interesting. And if the rumors of the single core Atom in smartphones being faster than the dual core ARM CPUs, it may be interesting to see.
  43. dalauder said:
    OP, take a look at this laptop with the Radeon 6650M for $409. You won't beat this until Trinity & Ivy Bridge are out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230216

    And the A6-3400M often OC's to 2.4GHz, so it can get a lot closer to the mobile i5 than you might be thinking. If I were looking for a laptop, I'd get this, plop in a $110 OCZ Agility 3 or Patriot Pyro, & OC it.


    Hey mate, that's an interesting point you made there! According to Anandtech benchmarks, the i5 2400's processing power clearly outperforms the A6 (I know these are desktop processors, but just for a rough estimate).

    However:
    1) Will an overclocked A6 really bring it close to an i5 2410?
    2) Will an overclocked A6 outperform the i3 2310?
    3) I've never overclocked before, I'm worried about overheating, shortening the life of the laptop and generally causing all sorts of unnecessary problems... should I be?
    4) Is an SSD really worth the price? What performance gains will I see?
  44. Forde3654Eire said:
    Hey mate, that's an interesting point you made there! According to Anandtech benchmarks, the i5 2400's processing power clearly outperforms the A6 (I know these are desktop processors, but just for a rough estimate).

    However:
    1) Will an overclocked A6 really bring it close to an i5 2410?
    2) Will an overclocked A6 outperform the i3 2310?
    3) I've never overclocked before, I'm worried about overheating, shortening the life of the laptop and generally causing all sorts of unnecessary problems... should I be?
    4) Is an SSD really worth the price? What performance gains will I see?


    Answer 03: Laptops / Gamming Laptops is obviously crammed with lots of hardware. Therefore, it will create a lot of heat when it's all packed in tight, and the small form factor of the laptop leaves little room for sufficient cooling. So, technically, most GPUs / CPU (mobile edition) are intentionally under-clocked / undervolt as to prevent overheating...

    Answer 04: Getting an SSD drive will double application's response time, improve boot-time, reduce temperature (not like ordinary hdd) and greatly improve performance (read / write). But, the greatest thing of all, SSD doesn't have any moving parts and will operate nicely without noise... the joy of MUTE and hums...

    I hope my answer helps,

    Lair360
  45. Laptops already run HOT. Overclock at your own peril.

    People overclock desktops because it's easy to put bigger heatsink, fans or water cooling. You don't really get that option with a laptop. The laptop coolers (fans sitting under laptop) do help a bit but are a pain for travel.
  46. dalauder said:
    If the i3-2100 could hit 4.7GHz, it might not bottleneck any games.


    I miss the days when you could just cut traces on the top of the AMD CPUs to enable new features.
  47. 350 dollar laptop would eat that for lunch LOL!
  48. If he wants flexibility for work, power and ergonomic design, he better look @ ASUS laptop. This is my recommendation. However, the problem is: "where do I buy it?"

    http://uk.asus.com/Notebooks/Versatile_Performance/X54C/#overview

    Notes: this notebook provides "IceCool Technology" which is design to places hot components on the underside and away from users.
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