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December 13, 2011 9:44:18 PM

Wow, I love it when you finish typing out your whole thread and linking everything, then you accidentally click on the Ad at the top and all of your hard work goes to waste. Well anyway, I am going to be assembling a gaming rig after Christmas, in the US. My parts preference is Intel, Nvidia. My budget is $2000 as specified in the title. I will be mostly gaming on this PC, and recording in fraps. I will also probably use the adobe suite as well. I only need the computer, I have all the other peripherals. I will definitely overclock and SLI is eventually going to happen, unless there is a card that bests SLI of whatever I have. I have a full HD (1920 x 1080) monitor, and somewhat of an intention of going 3 monitors, but not particularly. I prefer to order off newegg, and if there is a good deal I will either go into the tigerdirect or microcenter near my house. All parts are on newegg right now just to get a rough estimate.

Build

CPU - i5 2500k

Cooler - Corsair H100

MoBo - Asus Maximus IV Extreme

RAM - G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (4GB x 2)

GPU - MSI GTX 580 Lightning Edition

PSU - Corsair HX1050 or Silverstone Strider 1000 Gold

Case - Corsair Obsidian 650D

DVD Drive - Asus 24x

SSD - Corsair Force Series GT 120 GB

HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black 500 GB

If any of the links aren't working I will post the correct link, and all comments are much appreciated. I am open to suggestions on everything especially the case, SSD, HDD, and cooler. Thanks in advance.
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December 13, 2011 10:23:00 PM

Having an "ultimate build" is all well and good, but you don't need to get expensive parts for their own sake. So:

What the heck are you doing with a $340 motherboard? It's going to give you NOTHING that a $200 one wouldn't, as you don't need quad-SLI.
The MSI Z68A-GD80 is very good, and cheap for its features. Tom's loved it, with the one caveat that you MUST NOT put a card in the third PCIe-x16 slot. This won't be an issue, though; just don't get a third 580. It's got a 5-year warranty, too. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That case is pointlessly expensive, especially as it's not that good-looking. Also, it wouldn't have fit your original mobo, though you're not getting that anyway :p  Choose by stylistic preference; most boxes above $50 are fine. If you love the 650D's looks for some reason, go for it; it's your money. Just know that it won't get you anything but the looks.

You do not need liquid cooling. SB doesn't have big heat problems. You'd be fine with a Mugen 3 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ).

There seem to be problems with that PSU; go with the Silverstone 80+ Silver 1000W ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ).

This SSD's a little cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Performance differences between high-end SSDs are very small and not worth extra money. Choose almost entirely by Egg feedback (reliability).

Microcenter is currently selling 2500Ks for $180. Worth the trip, I think.


With my edits, you're more than halfway to your second 580! There's something like $280 in savings.
December 13, 2011 10:37:02 PM

Thanks. I thought the MoBo was a bit over the top, good that will shave some off my price. the case would have fit it as I have seen many videos on youtube with this motherboard and this case. I really like the case it's good cable management, and good minimalist looks. I have slowly migrated to the less flashy cases because there aren't really any that I like.

Which PSU had the problem, I posted 2.

I got the cooler to reduce clutter, because I like being able to see all of my components through the window, and not just a big shiny heatsink.

That SSD is not cheaper? I will use the MIR, and I know from experience that Corsair honors their MIRs.
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December 13, 2011 10:49:41 PM

The Silverstone had an average Egg rating of 3. This could just indicate a bad batch and not reflect badly on the PSU in general, but that batch'd be what you'd be getting it from. The silver seems like the best choice to me anyway.
Oh, hadn't noticed the MIR. Carry on :D 
You can still save some cash with an H80, then. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/h2o-h80-h100-benchm...
December 13, 2011 10:52:35 PM

Yea, You were on to something though, I really don't want water cooling, I just thought "hey why not". And also, What cases would you recommend?
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December 13, 2011 10:56:47 PM

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Thanks. I thought the MoBo was a bit over the top, good that will shave some off my price. the case would have fit it as I have seen many videos on youtube with this motherboard and this case. I really like the case it's good cable management, and good minimalist looks. I have slowly migrated to the less flashy cases because there aren't really any that I like.


Try the Corsair Carbide - it's nearly $150 cheaper and has the same looks and cable management system.

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I got the cooler to reduce clutter, because I like being able to see all of my components through the window, and not just a big shiny heatsink.


I actually agree with this - when I installed my new board last week I grew to really hate large, cumbersome heat sinks. What should have been an hour long project nearly took the whole morning because I couldn't properly get the heat sink plugged into the mounting bracket without constantly plugging and unplugging cables (and I *STILL* don't have the cables routed correctly... :lol: ), and the fans are so huge that they don't offer much room between the edge of the fan and the bottom of the top case fan. I'm planning to ditch the fan for an H100 like you suggested.

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That SSD is not cheaper? I will use the MIR, and I know from experience that Corsair honors their MIRs.


Don't buy products based on MIRs - that's NEVER a good way to go. Corsair makes a lot of awesome products but I have not read a lot of good things about their SSDs.
December 13, 2011 11:01:19 PM

Okay, Switching to mushkin chronos SSD, Staying with H100, and I don't know what it is, something about the 500r just makes me go, no. I know the 600t Isn't that much less, but it is a start. and what do you guys think about the Corsair PSU, Combo that with the case, and you get a $55 instant discount. Plus $40 in MIRs but from what I hear from you I should not base my build of MIRs. OH! I also switched to the MSI GD 80 motherboard.
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December 13, 2011 11:04:35 PM

mrwhit30ut said:
Okay, Switching to mushkin chronos SSD, Staying with H100, and I don't know what it is, something about the 500r just makes me go, no. I know the 600t Isn't that much less, but it is a start. and what do you guys think about the Corsair PSU, Combo that with the case, and you get a $55 instant discount. Plus $40 in MIRs but from what I hear from you I should not base my build of MIRs. OH! I also switched to the MSI GD 80 motherboard.


The 600T is a great case, it's the same one I have - but I will warn you that it's very big and heavy. The Carbide would be a better choice if you plan on transporting your system anywhere.
December 13, 2011 11:06:17 PM

Really, Its that heavy? and also the 500r will not fit in the space i need it to fit. Like, pain in the arse heavy or like just annoying heavy (being uhh, this is light but it is awkward to carry).
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December 13, 2011 11:10:57 PM

Why not H80? Or Zoidberg?
December 13, 2011 11:27:17 PM

What is Zoidberg? and the H100 is kind of a perfect fit for that case, but then again so is the H80. I guess I dont like how thick the H80 is.
December 13, 2011 11:30:53 PM

Lolz I like that. I also like your XKCD comic, read my web comics every morning lolz. Also any other case recommendations besides Zoidberg?
a b 4 Gaming
December 13, 2011 11:31:37 PM

XKCD is crazy good
December 13, 2011 11:42:10 PM

Ugh do not get the Muskin Chronos for 185 bucks on newegg, that is extremely expensive for an asynchronous SSD. Also, egg feedback is not a reliable way to tell if the product is good or not, use professional reviews instead.

If you must get Muskin SSD, get the Muskin Chronos Deluxe version for 25 bucks more here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The Muskin Chronos Deluxe belongs to the top tier of Sandforce 120 GB since it uses toggle NAND tech instead of asynchronous NAND like the lower tier SSD. In short, OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS, Patriot Wildfire and Muskin Chronos Deluxe belong to the top tier that uses toggle NAND tech.

If you dont' want to spend extra for a toggle NAND and prefer a synchornous NAND SSD for a slightly cheaper price, get the Kingston Hyperx 120 GB or Vertex 3 120 GB.

The asyn NAND SSD such as Muskin Chronos, Patriot Pyro, OCZ Agility 3 are the slowest of the Sandforce 3 and they usually cost no more than 120-150 bucks for 120 GB.
December 13, 2011 11:44:00 PM

wow thanks for that, good to know. CASES CASES CASES gents please.
December 13, 2011 11:48:39 PM

mrwhit30ut said:
wow thanks for that, good to know. CASES CASES CASES gents please.


Try this:
CM Storm Trooper
NZXT Phantom
CM Storm Enforcer
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December 14, 2011 12:04:49 AM

ASRock X79 EXTREME4-M LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$218.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K
$599.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec TPQ-1200 1200W Continuous Power with PowerCache Technology SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
$219.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$499.99 and a $10 rebate makes iy $489.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B
$82.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F120GBGT-BK 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$199.99 and a $30 rebate makes it $169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$102.99 and a $15 rebate makes it $87.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model GH24LS70 LightScribe Support
$20.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive Model UH12LS28 OEM LightScribe Support - OEM
$59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total for this build is 1970.91 and it includes the new Sandy Bridge-e Proccessor.
a b 4 Gaming
December 14, 2011 12:10:03 AM

I think Egg reviews are decent as a measure of reliability, as pro reviewers won't ever see more than one or two of the product.

Why would you want SB-E? That build will not provide any more performance than a 2500K setup, as it'll be equally GPU-limited, and that's 420 extra dollars in the CPU!
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December 14, 2011 12:46:43 AM

kajabla said:
I think Egg reviews are decent as a measure of reliability, as pro reviewers won't ever see more than one or two of the product.

Why would you want SB-E? That build will not provide any more performance than a 2500K setup, as it'll be equally GPU-limited, and that's 420 extra dollars in the CPU!




TomsHardware seems to dissagree with you.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-3930k-3820-...
a b 4 Gaming
December 14, 2011 12:58:38 AM

"mart enthusiasts who need the effective Sandy Bridge architecture and raw compute power of six cores will buy Core i7-3930K instead of-3960X."
They recommend it for people who need crazy processors, not for gamers on this generation of hardware. If you're going to be making your living on video editing, that's a great chip, but here it's unnecessary.
"[The Best of Tom's Hardware award is] a distinction reserved for the best of the best, price be damned."
In this situation, I don't think "price be damned" is the best approach. In the benchmarks from that article, the 2600K (essentially the same as the OCed 2500K) puts down just about exactly the same framerates as the 3930K. In this situation, gaming and some Adobe CS work, it's just not worth $400 extra.
December 14, 2011 1:19:37 AM

Yes, whoever is saying that I need a sandy bridge E, to state it bluntly, you're wrong. There is no significant gaming increase in SBE, and most games today I am pretty sure don't even use four cores, let alone 6. and from your tom's review, if you can see the difference between .2 frames I will buy two processors, one for me, and one for you.
December 14, 2011 2:10:17 AM

Check out Fractal Design Define R3
it can support massive water coolers and have lot's of space .. super quiet and comes with 3 fans
i would also recommend snatching Cougar fans on newegg they are awesome
for a cooler .. i still would go with air over water .. imagine one of the tubes rips and ur 2k rig goes down the crapper
if you will decide to go air ... look no further then Thermalright Archon rev A - best air cooler in the world (currently) and you can slap another 150mm fan on it (that's right 150mm :)  ) and stay cool as a cucumber
for mobo go with Asus P8z68-v pro/gen 3
PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
December 14, 2011 2:19:23 AM

Fractal R3 = Deactivated on newegg, sadface. I like the NZXT one, and the Kingwin one just looks cheap in my opinion. So is the Corsair HX 1050 out of the question? +1 to the thermalright heatsink, do you know of a reputable vendor where I can get that? And is the Asus one better than the MSI one? and lastly, "cool as a cucumber" ... lolz And i get what you are saying on the crapper.
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December 14, 2011 2:19:40 AM

Very impressive (seriously; over a Silver Arrow? :o ), but a Mugen 3 would do it at $30 less.
Amazon's got it if you want the bragging rights, but you don't have to pay that much.
Yeah, the Corsair's not 80+ rated, while you can get others at the same price that are Gold.
I like the look of that NZXT.
December 14, 2011 2:31:35 AM

And yes corsair's is 80+ silver rated, and I get combo deal with a corsair case.
a b 4 Gaming
December 14, 2011 2:39:51 AM

Oh. Hadn't noticed. Well, go for it.
December 14, 2011 2:55:56 AM

Really though, what does 80+ mean? and I think I am just going to go with the 650D. I really like it, and I have my reasons. If you see a good one though with grommets for cable management, and relatively transportable, I'm always open.
December 14, 2011 3:15:55 AM

Wow newegg, the MSI GTX 580 is sold out right now. and also, Is there any objection to getting the Lightning extreme edition? which is the 3GB version of this card? And also when I record with fraps, what does it effect that, lessens framerate?
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December 14, 2011 3:26:55 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
Really, Its that heavy? and also the 500r will not fit in the space i need it to fit. Like, pain in the arse heavy or like just annoying heavy (being uhh, this is light but it is awkward to carry).


It's just big. When I installed my new board last week I forgot how heavy it is - it must weigh at least 15 pounds for the case alone, but you seriously will not find better cable and drive management for the price. Corsair really thought of everything.

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Very impressive (seriously; over a Silver Arrow? :o ), but a Mugen 3 would do it at $30 less.


I have the Silver Arrow - it's also a huge heatsink, and it's a pain in the ass to install. Really when I installed my new board it took two people and at least an hour - hour and a half to get the thing properly clamped down to the mounting bracket. You might want to get something smaller like a Corsair A70 or EVGA's cooler.

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Check out Fractal Design Define R3
it can support massive water coolers and have lot's of space .. super quiet and comes with 3 fans


Ooh, Fractal Design makes some SWEET cases. I'm seriously thinking about switching my HAF 912 out for an Arc MIDI in the near future.

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i would also recommend snatching Cougar fans on newegg they are awesome
for a cooler .. i still would go with air over water .. imagine one of the tubes rips and ur 2k rig goes down the crapper


Not really going to happen on a closed block. The manufacturers are pretty wise to this scenario happening and include some tough tubes for this. Now on a custom block I *COULD* see this happening as there's lots more room for error on the install.

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Wow newegg, the MSI GTX 580 is sold out right now. and also, Is there any objection to getting the Lightning extreme edition? which is the 3GB version of this card? And also when I record with fraps, what does it effect that, lessens framerate?


Why not go with the EVGA version? Much better company and support services.
December 14, 2011 3:29:49 AM

I think that water near electronics is bad anyway even if it is in a sealed ceramic container. So I like air cooling much more. What do you think about the Thermalright Archon Rev A?(as suggested above)
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December 14, 2011 4:16:40 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
I think that water near electronics is bad anyway even if it is in a sealed ceramic container. So I like air cooling much more. What do you think about the Thermalright Archon Rev A?(as suggested above)


Thermalright makes some excellent products in general. But the thing is with the layout of my motherboard (Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3) is that the power connector is positioned in such a way that the fan blocks it, and it makes installing some of the additional connectors needed to make the fan work - I have to route one of the fans through the power supply in order to get it to run. That's why I'm thinking of switching to an H100.
December 14, 2011 6:05:30 AM

Now what about psu? Have you decided.
I'm sold on fractal design even though they hard to find. And Archon I can not afford in my setup otherwise I'd get it
December 14, 2011 6:08:54 AM

Ever thought of EVGA 560ti 2 win :-)
December 14, 2011 8:25:28 AM

IMO is better to stick with the GTX 580.
Less performance.. yes, but less heat and noise too.
And it would be easier to get another one in the future if needed for SLI.
December 14, 2011 11:05:01 AM

u don't actually need such an expensive mobo
dont know about cooler
cpu is just awesome
ram is good
everything else is good
just i insist on 6970 cf , i know the driver problems but in benchmarks and paper it is the best
6970 cf beats 580 sli in bf3 at least.
6970 can come in the same price maybe some more if u get good ones.
get a 6970 with awesome cooling , cf them , oc them .
they are absolute beasts.
if u want to sli , i dont recommend cuz they have lower scaling.
if u choose the 6970 , u can still keep your mobo u want
but if your preference is strictly nvidia go with 570 sli
but if you may bring down the mobo u can get two of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
but for those 2 giants u need 1200 watt psu
http://www.geforce.com/Optimize/Guides/how-to-build-a-k... jump to the last one
that is 2000$ and is just awesome
December 14, 2011 12:29:35 PM

What motherboards would you recommend? and Does the RV03 have good cable management? And this PC is not only for BF3.
December 14, 2011 10:17:15 PM

Anyone? Now the MSI GTX 580 Lightnings are deactivated on newegg WHAT IS HAPPENING. and also Does anyone have any other suggestions on parts right now i am at
CPU - i5 2500k

Cooler - Thermalright Archon Rev A

MoBo - Asus P8Z68 Pro

RAM - G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (4GB x 2)

GPU - MSI GTX 580 Lightning Edition

PSU - Corsair HX1050

Case - Corsair Obsidian 650D

DVD Drive - Asus 24x

SSD - OCZ Vertex 3

HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black 500 GB
December 14, 2011 10:32:22 PM

Why not crucial m4?
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December 14, 2011 11:00:40 PM

madchemist83 said:
Ever thought of EVGA 560ti 2 win :-)


The bad thing about 5602WIN is that you can't SLI it. It's pretty nice though for one of the non-reference cards EVGA makes.

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Anyone? Now the MSI GTX 580 Lightnings are deactivated on newegg WHAT IS HAPPENING. and also Does anyone have any other suggestions on parts right now i am at


Not entirely sure. Try the EVGA version if that's still available. Maybe they're being phased out in favor of new models.

Go with the Crucial M4 over the OCZ Vertex, I hear way too many firmware issues and complaints with the vertex.
December 14, 2011 11:15:55 PM

Sounds good, What do you mean phased out in favor of new models, what new models? The MSI is a non reference card, isn't that pretty new?
December 14, 2011 11:19:46 PM

Oh, wow nevermind they just came back up. Still think i am going to hold off on the HDD though they are really expensive. Any monitors you guys can recommend? Mine literally just broke 10 mins ago.
December 14, 2011 11:27:45 PM

mrwhit30ut said:
What motherboards would you recommend? and Does the RV03 have good cable management? And this PC is not only for BF3.


Asus P8Z68 V-Pro/Gen 3 should be the minimum if you want to achieve high and stable overclock. The Asus Maximus IV Extreme is ideal since it is built for overclocking enthusiasts. If you can afford it, why not ?

Regarding the video card, not only GTX 580 is faster than HD 6970 in BF3 but GTX 570 is also 10 fps ahead of HD 6970 as well when you play at maximum settings Ultra and 4xMSAA on. AMD card took heavy performance loss when 4x MSAA is activated and thus I would not recommend going for HD 6970.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...
December 14, 2011 11:33:15 PM

Yea, as long as I can stably overclock to around 4.5 GHz I am fine, I am not looking to break records here. As far as the GTX 580 goes, thats pretty much what I have had my sights on. Also can't remember where but guru 3D said it's really not the motherboard that matters when overclocking, it is more of the processor. Also what monitors do you like?
December 14, 2011 11:43:05 PM

mrwhit30ut said:
Yea, as long as I can stably overclock to around 4.5 GHz I am fine, I am not looking to break records here. As far as the GTX 580 goes, thats pretty much what I have had my sights on. Also can't remember where but guru 3D said it's really not the motherboard that matters when overclocking, it is more of the processor. Also what monitors do you like?


Get this monitor 24'' IPS panel, very good quality and the price is very low. Sell the camera for 100+ bucks and profit.
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c...

Also, if you want to save 145 bucks on the GTX 580, get the ASUS one for 380 bucks here after rebates:
http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item...

$499.99
+ $0.99 filler (estimate) (filler [neweggbusiness.com])
= $500.98
- MIMKB2B100 $100 off $500 Discount From Promo Code
= $400.98
+ $10 Shipping (estimate)
= $410.98
- $30 ASUS Rebate (link [newegg.com])
= $380.98 Total

Put the 145 bucks saving from the video card into a 120 GB SSD:
Newegg [newegg.com] has Kingston Hyper X 120GB SATA III Solid State Drive (SSD) w/ Upgrade Kit for $174.99 after $55 Mail-in Rebate [newegg.com] with Free Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=u642999t...

The SSD and the video card deal above will not last forever, I suggest you buy it fast before newegg change the price or its oos.
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December 15, 2011 12:57:48 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
Sounds good, What do you mean phased out in favor of new models, what new models? The MSI is a non reference card, isn't that pretty new?


The GTX 6xx are supposed to be some time mid next year so it's hard to say but I was trying to find the PNY liquid cooled cards that they had on the main page a while ago and ran into the same thing, which makes me wonder if they're discontinued.

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Oh, wow nevermind they just came back up. Still think i am going to hold off on the HDD though they are really expensive. Any monitors you guys can recommend? Mine literally just broke 10 mins ago.


Asus, Acer, Viewsonic... those are all pretty good brands. They pretty much come off the same assembly line in Taiwan so take your pick.

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As far as the GTX 580 goes, thats pretty much what I have had my sights on. Also can't remember where but guru 3D said it's really not the motherboard that matters when overclocking, it is more of the processor.


Neither one of those are true - what matters most in overclocking is that the user knows exactly what they're doing. Once that's established you can achieve any number of speeds on pretty much any motherboard and CPU. However with Sandy Bridge, only the unlocked CPUs can be overclocked. So that is true to a certain extent. If you're set on getting the 580, you should really give EVGA a shot - they have one of the best support and RMA services around in case something goes wrong.
December 15, 2011 1:37:59 AM

What is wrong with MSI? and I will definitely take that into consideration. I also switched to the Kingston drive, looks sick.
December 15, 2011 1:51:11 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
What is wrong with MSI? and I will definitely take that into consideration. I also switched to the Kingston drive, looks sick.


Nothing of course other than price. Why pay 145 bucks more for an equivalent card ? The Asus is on sale at the moment thats why its cheaper or else it would be up there with the MSI price.
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