Gaming Build Advice for a first time builder

hi im about to build a new gaming rig and i just want to run it past you guys and see if i can make any improvments or savings tnx to all.

processer/Intel Core i5 2500K 235$

graphics card/Powercolor Radeon HD6950 2GB times two 558$

chipset/ASUS P8Z68-V LX Motherboard 135$

ram/G.Skill Ripjaws Z F3-12800CL9Q-16GBZL (4x4GB) DDR3 99$

psu/Corsair AX750 Gold Power Supply 185$

harddrive/Corsair Force Series 3 60GB SSD 119$

cooling/CoolerMaster MegaFlow 200 Blue 19$

I havnt made up my mind on a case yet but was hoping to get a few sugestions,im all so puting in a hdtv card/Avermedia AVerTV CaptureHD Dual Hybrid PCIE 109$

cost/1459$ without case
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  1. Hi there, welcome to the forums.

    First off can you fill this form out for us? Gives us some more information so we can give you better advice.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice

    Second, it looks okay. The PSU is a little overkill, I'd get a decent 850w instead. You could also save some money by getting a set of RAM that is dual-channel instead of quad-channel. Plus you really only need 8GB

    lastly, I'd step up to an OCZ Agility 3 120GB SSD. Some people complain about OCZ's reliability (it was indeed an issue earlier this year) but you really can't beat the price.

    I'll get back to ya once we get that form ;)
    Cheers!
  2. Approximate Purchase Date:early january

    Budget Range: 1400$/1700$

    System Usage from Most to Least Important:gaming, internet,recording live tv

    Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers

    Preferred Website(s) for Parts: ive been using pc case gear.com/ but willing to buy from overseas if cheaper

    Country: australia

    Parts Preferences: i want to use intel processer and build around that

    Overclocking: Yes

    SLI or Crossfire: Yes

    Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200

    Additional Comments:im after something that is going to see me through at least a couple of years without many upgrades
  3. Do me a quick favor. Do you live near a MSY? http://msy.com.au/ That's the norm for Australians on here I believe.
  4. It is helpful if you can include links to the parts you are considering.

    Here are some of my thoughts:

    the 2500K is as good as it gets today, and will still be good when ivy bridge arrives.

    For gaming, the graphics is very important, but you can go overboard. At 1080P, a single 6950 will do very well. Is cf6950 really necessary for you? If you will be using them for triple monitor gaming, or a 2560 x 1600 monitor, then OK.
    My thought is to get a great single card. A 6970, or even a GTX580. It will cost you less up front for the single card, your psu requirements will be less, and your case cooling issues will be less. At upgrade time, you will be able to get a GTX590 or 6990 today, but more likely, the upcoming 7970 or GTX6.. 28nm cards will be out. Some games do not perform well with dual cards.
    Dual graphics cards show impressive fps results in synthetic benchmarks, but may be more prone to microstuttering which can be annoying. Read about it here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-crossfire,2995.html

    No game made today uses more than 2 or 3gb by itself. 8gb will be sufficient. If you do lots of multitasking, or will use 64 bit enabled apps, then 16gb is fine. Considering the low cost of ram today, I mught get 16gb anyway. Look for low cost DDR3 1.5v 1600 ram. Look for ram with no, or low heat spreaders. They are not needed for 1.5v ram, and fancy heat spreaders can get in the way of cpu coolers.

    Your 850w psu is a fine one, but probably not needed except for dual graphics cards. A quality 650w psu will drive even a GTX580, and cost much less.
    For quality, my short list would include Corsair, Seasonic, PC P&C, Antec, or XFX.

    I love SSD's for the os , and perhaps a few games. 60gb will work, but it is perhaps a bit small. If you can, 80gb or 120gb will be better. FWIW, I use 85gb with the os, 8 games, and 4gb of phogos on my 120gb ssd. Today, Intel, and perhaps samsung seem to be the least problematic brands.
    http://www.behardware.com/articles/831-7/components-returns-rates.html

    Hard drive prices are crazy today. If you can, wait a bit to buy a large storage drive for video storage.

    The cooler you mentioned is only a fan. I would suggest a modest tower type cooler with a slow turning 120mm fan. Xigmatek gaia or cm hyper212 is really all you need, and they are not expensive.

    Cases are a personal thing. For adequate cooling, you only need one with two 120mm intake fans or equivalent. A perfectly adequate case might be the Antec 100/200/300 cases. But, research cases and be prepared to spend extra to get one that appeals to you. You will not regret it. You will be seeing and touching it every day for this build, and several more.

    For a first time builder, take the time now to download and read, cover to cover, the manuals for the motherboard and case. You will learn much.

    --------good luck------------
  5. Here ya go.....$1619 with case, and it will be significantly faster than ya original build ....


    Case - $ 115 - Corsair Carbide 500R http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139010
    PSU - $ 90 - XFX Core Edition-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011
    MoBo - $ 210 - ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131790
    CPU - $ 220 - Intel Core i7-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
    Cooler - $ 50 - CM Hyper 612 PWM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103103
    RAM - $ 47 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair Vengeance http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186
    GFX - $ 230 - Asus GTX 560 900Mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121425
    GFX - $ 230 - Same
    HD - $ 110 - Spinpoint F3 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
    SSD - 209 - 120 GB Mushkin Chronos Deluxe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226225
    DVD Writer - $ 58 - Asus Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135247
    Card Reader $ 50 AeroCool FP-01 55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820314001

    Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

    $ 220.00 6950 (479/751) $ 0.46 - $ 0.59
    $ 260.00 6950 Frozr OC (484/759) $ 0.54 - $ 0.69
    $ 205.00 560 Ti (455/792) $ 0.45 - $ 0.52
    $ 320.00 6970 (526/825) $ 0.61 - $ 0.78
    $ 215.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.43 - $ 0.50
    $ 340.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.65 - $ 0.78
    $ 500.00 580 (616/953) $ 0.81 - $ 1.05

    So two 6950's, factory OC'd would get ya 759 fps while the factory OC's 560 Ti's do 862 fps......14% more fps and the 560 Ti has much more to go.

    -The case gets a rocking review from benchmarkreviews
    http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=767&Itemid=61&limit=1&limitstart=5

    - The PSU gets a 9.5 performance rating from jonnyguru
    http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=217

    -Cooler is the 212's big bruddah ..... and much improved at that ....it delivers 5-7C better cooling than the 212
    http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=797&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=4

    -GFX card is extremely OC friendly.....some have taken it to 1070 MHz (30% OC) though in SLI, I been keeping them 980 -1020ish
    http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1201&page=17
    I have built over half dozen boxes with these and all made 1000Mhz and never saw any microstuttering (Tho as the THG article states, the condition is far less apparent on NVidia cards than ATI, once ya pass the $200 mark, it's not really an issue. The twin 560's give ya 40% more fps than a single $500 GTX 580 for less money and really make the difference in demanding games like Metro 2033 .... single 6950 gets 25 fps at 1920 x 1080 .... the 560 Ti (900MHz) gets 26 .... game looks a lot better w/ 2 of them at 49 fps.....can pass 60 fps with a 1000 MHz OC on the 560.

    HD - $40 off w/ promo code EMCJHJE29, ends 12/21

    SSD - Fastest 120/128 GB SSD on THG Heirarchy chart (Tier 3).....alternatives would be OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS, Patriot WildFire or Samsung 830
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-price-ssd,3070-6.html

    DVD - Plays Blue Ray

    Card Reader also does fan control
  6. wow ok after reading that about micro stutering you have opened my eyes,the crossfire is not all its suposed to be and less.I think your right on going for one really good card compared to two cheaper ones crossfired.sry about not being able to put up links for the hardware ive selected but ill have another go today looking at better graphics cards and ill try msy and see if their any cheaper and put up the results with links hopefully.tnx for all whom have contributed much apreciated.
  7. To throw in my opinion, microstutter is way overrated. You're not going to notice it. But that's me. In the review it says that it's really only an issue with 6870 and below, or 550 Ti and below. With a GTX 560 Ti or 6950 setup you'll be fine.
  8. If you can wait a few weeks, try to buy a 6970 or 6950 only after the 7970 and 7950 are released. Prices on the 69xx will drop.

    You also don't need to commit now to a CF or non-CF setup. Just get a good card, and in a year you can get a second if you are falling behind the FPS you want. Microstutter should only improve with software support from AMD and nvidia (better drivers).
  9. dont really thing you will need two 6950's or two 560 tis to run on that resolution, One should be sufficient. you could opt for one gtx 570 or the newer gtx 560 ti, but hell if you have the money to burn then go for it.
  10. does anyone know the release dates for the 7 series if not to far off i can wait and probably save myself 50/100$.Also does anyone know if you can still unlock the 6950 or where to get 6950's that can be unlocked. tnx again all
  11. danny76 said:
    does anyone know the release dates for the 7 series if not to far off i can wait and probably save myself 50/100$.Also does anyone know if you can still unlock the 6950 or where to get 6950's that can be unlocked. tnx again all


    January 9, I believe. I'm not sure about unlocking.
  12. danny76 said:
    does anyone know the release dates for the 7 series if not to far off i can wait and probably save myself 50/100$.Also does anyone know if you can still unlock the 6950 or where to get 6950's that can be unlocked. tnx again all

    Nope, they don't sell them anymore. They fixed that. The only way you'll find a card that can be flashed is secondhand, or off ebay.
  13. danny76 said:
    does anyone know the release dates for the 7 series if not to far off i can wait and probably save myself 50/100$.Also does anyone know if you can still unlock the 6950 or where to get 6950's that can be unlocked. tnx again all


    The graphics market is very competitive. You mostly get fair value for your dollar at every price point.

    You can expect the new cards to be priced at whatever the market will bear, and at their fair price performance value. Do not expect new retail cards of an older generation to have their prices cut much. They will sell near regular prices for some time, primarily to those who must buy them to upgrade using cf/sli. Older cards will drop in price on the used market.

    The 7970 is expected to be a GTX580 competitor; possibly even better. Those who know are under NDA for a while.

    My take is to get what you need/want now and not look back.
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