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Wich card to max bf3 ?

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October 19, 2011 4:29:08 PM

Current system:
955be
4gibs ram
ati 5850
22" screen

I think I may not be able to max out bf3, would I see a big difference with a new video card ?
I m not ruling out a second 5850 to crossfire but i would prefer a single card solution.

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October 19, 2011 4:55:20 PM

rickbmb said:
Current system:
955be
4gibs ram
ati 5850
22" screen

I think I may not be able to max out bf3, would I see a big difference with a new video card ?
I m not ruling out a second 5850 to crossfire but i would prefer a single card solution.


If you have a dedicated 550-600W psu, then definitely get a GTX 560TI or a GTX 470. These should run it on high and possibly max it out
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October 19, 2011 5:19:37 PM

Depends on your Psu; If you have 650watts then crossfire. (depending on the specs and the 12v rail).
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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:35:14 PM

what's your gaming resolution ?
a 5850 should do pretty will at high settings.
if you wanna play on Ultra with 50+ FPS then a HD 6950 or GTX 560TI will do the job.
a GTX 570 or HD 6970 will completely max it out 1080P on Ultra.
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October 19, 2011 6:01:06 PM

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if you wanna play on Ultra with 50+ FPS then a HD 6950 or GTX 560TI will do the job.
a GTX 570 or HD 6970 will completely max it out 1080P on Ultra.

What ilysaml said lol... but yeah you're going to need at least a 600W psu to handle a GTX560TI, and that will satisfy you just right, but like ilysaml said if you want to run it maxed out and on 1080p, you're going to need a 650-750W psu
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:07:40 PM

Your weakest link is the processor.The Phenom ii's just can't cut it anymore for CPU demanding games like BF3.Do you have it O.C.'d at all?

The 5850 is still a very powerful GPU.I wouldn't throw it away.Just get another for crossfire.

What is the make/model of your PSU?

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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:10:56 PM

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What ilysaml said lol...

Excuse me ?
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but like ilysaml said if you want to run it maxed out and on 1080p, you're going to need a 650-750W psu


I never mentioned anything about PSUs
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October 19, 2011 6:12:28 PM

purple stank said:
Your weakest link is the processor.The Phenom ii's just can't cut it anymore for CPU demanding games like BF3.Do you have it O.C.'d at all?

The 5850 is still a very powerful GPU.I wouldn't throw it away.Just get another for crossfire.

What is the make/model of your PSU?

It will be able to handle it. But a little overclocking and he would get a better frame rate.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:13:14 PM

Lol.I don't see how resolution has anything to do with a PSU.
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October 19, 2011 6:14:27 PM

Djentleman said:
It will be able to handle it. But a little overclocking and he would get a better frame rate.


I only say that because of experience.I have my 965 O.C. to 3.8ghz and in the BETA I was at 90% usage.Basically the CPU was maxed while playing it.Almost like running a Prime95 test.
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October 19, 2011 6:16:51 PM

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What ilysaml said lol...

Excuse me ?
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but like ilysaml said if you want to run it maxed out and on 1080p, you're going to need a 650-750W psu

I never mentioned anything about PSUs


Sorry ilysaml i didn't mean to confuse you, the part about the psu was added on by me, but i mentioned you in the post because i didn't want to sound like i stole your post and called it mine, that would make me a bad person :non: 
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October 19, 2011 6:17:18 PM

purple stank said:
I only say that because of experience.I have my 965 O.C. to 3.8ghz and in the BETA I was at 90% usage.Basically the CPU was maxed while playing it.Almost like running a Prime95 test.

CPU usage has nothing to do with the CPU strength... That's why i was surprised when you called a 955 BE a weak CPU
That CPU was a big hit in the market when it's first released... it was the most demanded on the market..lol
at AMD Dragon Clubs all over the world they achieved the 7GHz with liquid N2 with this CPU.
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October 19, 2011 6:18:24 PM

purple stank said:
I only say that because of experience.I have my 965 O.C. to 3.8ghz and in the BETA I was at 90% usage.Basically the CPU was maxed while playing it.Almost like running a Prime95 test.

ooooh, that's a'lot of cpu usage. I never got that with my 1100t! :bounce: 
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October 19, 2011 6:20:27 PM

Psu is a 800watts corsair modular, should handle anything.
I look around for a used 5850 to crossfire or grab a new 570, did not thing about the cpu,
my mobo can take newer amd too i think, i ll check that out tonight when i get home.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:20:52 PM

Do you know that the per core "Deneb" beats "Thuban" ? and that the 965/975/980 performs better than the current X6 series in gaming ?
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a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:21:56 PM

If you want a new single card rather than dual 5850s then wait for the next gen and get a 7850/7870. You can push a minimum of 60 FPS with an overclocked 955, the only time you'd CPU bottleneck CF5850s or a new high-end card is above 60FPS if you're running 3.8GHz or higher.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:24:59 PM

Yes but the Phenom ii's are about 2 generation(soon to be 3) behind Intel.

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CPU usage has nothing to do with the CPU strength.
Then can you tell me what CPU usage is?

By current do you mean the FX processor's?




What make is your 800 watt PSU?

As of right now it's not worth getting a AMD FX processor.Your best bet is to wait until a new stepping/revision which should be coming along in the next couple months.Possibly Q1 2012.
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October 19, 2011 6:46:48 PM

purple stank said:
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CPU usage has nothing to do with the CPU strength.
Then can you tell me what CPU usage is?
CPU usage indicates how hard the CPU is running.the percentage refers to how much of the individual CPU’s capacity is in use, and from Wikipedia
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is the amount of time for which a central processing unit (CPU) was used for processing instructions of a computer program.

CPU strength refers to the CPU power, how fast the CPU doing the calculations and processing to PC programs and it differs from CPU to another depending on the architecture.
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By current do you mean the FX processor's?

Actually i said the current x6 series, i meant the 1000T Thuban family, but even after FX released and benches showed that the Thuban is better in most gaming scenarios...technically the "Deneb" should be over the "Zambezi" as Phenom II 980 BE did better than FX 8150 in some games.

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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 7:18:48 PM

So basically your saying the Phenom ii has to work harder to produce the same results as say a 2500k?
So then you would agree that the arch of the Phenom ii is aged and can no longer keep up with CPU intensive games like BF3?
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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 7:29:59 PM

Intel is a "Thing" and AMD is another "Thing" Intel has QPI, AMD has HT, AMD SB has a different architecture than AMD PII, so a "Work Harder" is not the proper expression.
Aged ? How much performance Increase of the SB over the Phenom II ? 20-30% ?
Intel C 2 Extreme series is "Aged" and keeping up to Phenom II x6.
A CPU Intensive is also a term related to CPU Usage not the CPU Power.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 7:55:38 PM

Regardless the Power of SB over the phenom II you said cuz i'm not pretty sure of it, i would ask you what 3.8 CPU ? and the CPu usage depends on the services, programs in background that starts with the windows... each service and process take a part of the CPU usage.
I don't know how to check the CPU usage while gaming as i have to alt+tab it and this reduces it's usage.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 7:58:34 PM

The Phenom ii x4 965 @ 3.8ghz.I hardly every have any background tasks going on.Just the bare essentials.Background tasks usually take up RAM and only a tiny bit of the CPU.

Leave it open while ur gaming and set it to the slowest setting.
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October 19, 2011 8:04:27 PM

Wow these posts are way off topic.

DICE dev tweets - GTX 580 SLI needed to play BF3 on Ultra settings.

You're all wrong. Nuf said.
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October 19, 2011 8:05:36 PM

purple stank said:
Leave it open while ur gaming and set it to the slowest setting.

What do you mean by that ? when you play at a toggled window differs from playing at a full screen window (consumes more GPU and CPU usage) so when playing at a toggled window, you don't see the proper CPU or GPU usage.
you can see GPU usage by MSI Afterburner, but the CPU?? some guys reported that they only able to see it throw Logitech keyboard or a second display monitor.
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October 19, 2011 8:12:34 PM

ilysaml said:
Do you know that the per core "Deneb" beats "Thuban" ? and that the 965/975/980 performs better than the current X6 series in gaming ?

Yeah, that's why I regret buying it...... But its still not a bad gaming cpu! It does everything i need it to do and more.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 8:25:46 PM

Use the Task Manager? ctrl+alt+delete=performance tab.
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October 19, 2011 8:29:20 PM

purple stank said:
Use the Task Manager? ctrl+alt+delete=performance tab.

You don't understand me, when i do this, and leave it open... then switch from the game to the task mgr, this doesn't show the real usage... you must be doing activities in the game at the same time monitor the CPU usage.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 8:31:23 PM

If you set the refresh speed to the lowest setting it's a 5-10 second delay.Either leave it running like that while your gaming and then look at it after you done or minimize it.
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October 19, 2011 8:45:05 PM

purple stank said:
If you set the refresh speed to the lowest setting it's a 5-10 second delay.Either leave it running like that while your gaming and then look at it after you done or minimize it.

This won't help if you want to precisely determine the CPU usage. and be noted that it differs originally from each location you move in the game.
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October 19, 2011 9:00:33 PM

First of all, the Battlefield 3 beta was a BETA. A BETA people, not the final release. I'm sure it wasn't optimized as far as it could be. The Phenom IIs are still strong processors as well, unless your running the game on your Grandma's 13" CRT monitor and are getting a CPU bottleneck due to the low resolution. If those crappy consoles can play Battlefield 3, I'm sure a Phenom II will have no problems. Rickbmb, I would add another 5850 to your system or I would wait and get a 7870 or something like that. I definitely wouldn't upgrade after just a generation. Frankly, unless your running at a 1080p resolution I don't really see a reason for you to upgrade at all unless you want AA and AF really bad.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 9:05:42 PM

@ Purple,To summarize and answer your question, several things can cause a high CPU usage:
1-No enough memory (CPU usage temporarily can move to 100% while waiting for free memory to continue processing)
2- Too many processes running at once
3- Various different driver problems
5. Slow internet connection (maybe)
And various other things like overheated CPU As it will get hotter and slow itself down so the usage will appear to rise.

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October 19, 2011 9:18:54 PM

DeadRam said:
Wow these posts are way off topic.

DICE dev tweets - GTX 580 SLI needed to play BF3 on Ultra settings.

You're all wrong. Nuf said.



Dice would also like if you bought 100 copies of bf3 lol, dude i maxed it out with my 6970 1080p no probs. GTX 580 sli for multi-monitor at highest resolutions, even then you would be running around 40fps and under!
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 9:29:23 PM

Well I was in the Alpha and the Beta and the usage was the same.I doubt that it will get better with drivers because it's the Frostbite engine that does it.Even when I played BFBC2 CPU usage was at 80%.Only with the Frostbite engine do I get such high usage because it's just how it is,very CPU demanding.And that is why I feel the Phenom ii's can barely manage it because i'm clocked at 3.8ghz and i'm still getting that much usage.

I have 8GB of RAM so it's not an issue(I never see my RAM usage go above 4GB).As I said before I have all of the irregular process's turned off from the Msconfig app,only the essentials.And my internet is T3.And although BF3 was the hottest I've ever seen my CPU under a gaming load it never went over 52c.

Anyway we've pretty much ruined the OP's thread so lets get back on topic even though were waiting for him to reply.
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October 19, 2011 9:30:25 PM

redeemer said:
Dice would also like if you bought 100 copies of bf3 lol, dude i maxed it out with my 6970 1080p no probs. GTX 580 sli for multi-monitor at highest resolutions, even then you would be running around 40fps and under!


The Alpha and Beta had the settings toned down for testing.When they say a GTX580 SLI they probably mean in the full game.
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