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October 19, 2011 4:48:46 PM

Hi guys!
So im about to swap out my Ati Radeon 5570 Reference Model card for a new card, the ones i´ve got my eyes on atm are: the nvidia 460,ATI 6870, 6850,6950 and the 5870.
They are priced almost at the same level with a price tag of around 40dollars seperating the prices.
So the question is quite simple..which card would be the best buy? Im gonna play alot of games, like : MW3 , BF3 , WoW, Rage, and the list goes on, id like a card that would max these games, excluding BF3..since BF3 would require a 6990 at the least from what i´ve read on various forums.
Id get a 6950 right away by the looks of it atm, but its a saphire 6950..and i´ve had bad experiences with saphire models...so which one of these cards would be the best?
Specs:
Intel Core i7 860 Quad
6gig ram
500PSU

If any of these cards would be to much for my PSU, please tell me and il scratch that one of the list, i am NOT replacing any other PC component for another year or 2.

NOTE: IM gonna swap out the card i get when the 7xxx / 6xx END cards come out next year, keep that in mind. I will not OC, only buy factory OC´ed cards.

Thanks for your inputs!

More about : 6870 460 5870 6950

a c 1369 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:07:06 PM

It does matter which 500watt PSU! The HD6950 would be my choice if the PSU is quality.
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:23:44 PM

What's your gaming resolution ?
Anyway 6950>5870>460>6870
And the PSU is the IMP factor.
October 19, 2011 5:34:44 PM

Resolution will be 1680, Sorry but what does IMP stand for?
I think il change my mind about the 6950..think il scratch it of my list.. so the 5870 would be ideal? i heard it produces alot of noise and high tempertures , is that true?
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:36:33 PM

Lol, bf3 doesn't require a 6990 to play it. That is ridiculous for anybody to think that they know what will run bf3. I could run it at high settings with a nice buttery frame rate. But this is only the beta, so nobody really knows until it's actually released.
a c 1369 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:36:41 PM

For your resolution even the HD6850 is a great card.
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:37:24 PM

IMP is Important, 5870 is overkill at this resolution anyway. max out any game out there with the exception of some.
Any reference designed card runs hotter and noisy, what brand of 5870 will you get, provide a link.
October 19, 2011 5:38:19 PM

Djentleman said:
Lol, bf3 doesn't require a 6990 to play it. That is ridiculous for anybody to think that they know what will run bf3. I could run it at high settings with a nice buttery frame rate. But this is only the beta, so nobody really knows until it's actually released.


Yeah at the beta it ran silky smooth on medium settings, i ment maxing it out would requie a 6990/590, so i heard.
October 19, 2011 5:41:45 PM

rolli59 said:
It does matter which 500watt PSU! The HD6950 would be my choice if the PSU is quality.


Il look into my PSU tomorow or later this week, since im not with my rig at this time.
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:42:24 PM

It will run silently, no issues... if you'll just be overclocking and raising up the fans, you'll hear a little bit noise...but as long as you're on stock... you're good to go.
That being said a GTX 590 for BF3...this doesn't make any sense
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:42:27 PM

dextr88 said:
Yeah at the beta it ran silky smooth on medium settings, i ment maxing it out would requie a 6990/590, so i heard.

Well there wrong if their talking about the beta........
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:43:38 PM

rolli59 said:
For your resolution even the HD6850 is a great card.

That's true, but it's not a big move to HD 6850 as the HD 5870 is doing much better 20-25% faster
October 19, 2011 5:45:49 PM

Yarr i hear you about the BF3 thingy, i read some guy on HardwareCanucks mention that the full game will require it to max it out..but w/e
So the 5870 would be a good buy for me? The diffrence @ the price tag between the 6870 and the 5870 will be around 30USD
October 19, 2011 5:46:44 PM

Im also thinking of maybe going X-Fire @ next year, maybe middle 2012, does the 5870 scale good in X fire?
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:46:52 PM

ilysaml said:
That's true, but it's not a big move to HD 6850 as the HD 5870 is doing much better 20-25% faster

+1
He's right; if you look at some of tom's benchies he explains this.
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:47:40 PM

HD 5870 performs better than HD 6870/50... do you wanna benchmarks ?
and you're going to play at 1680 resolution not 1080P, so 60+ FPS is in your hand on ultra.
October 19, 2011 5:48:43 PM

Djentleman said:
+1
He's right; if you look at some of tom's benchies he explains this.


Oh, Thanks guys you´ve been very helpfull thus far! It seems as if im going to get a 5870 then, 1 last question..will it scale good in X fire if i want to throw another 5870 in my rig?
October 19, 2011 5:50:24 PM

ilysaml said:
HD 5870 performs better than HD 6870/50... do you wanna benchmarks ?
and you're going to play at 1680 resolution not 1080P, so 60+ FPS is in your hand on ultra.


I wouldnt mind seing some benchies to prove your case , if your willing to provide them that is :) 
THanks for your inputs thus far, very helpfull!
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:51:02 PM

For sure, but you'll need a good 750W PSU.
and the HD 6K series scales better than HD 5k series...
So better wait for the new HD 7k series they are XDR2 memory which is twice faster than GDDR5
October 19, 2011 5:52:20 PM

ilysaml said:
For sure, but you'll need a good 750W PSU.
and the HD 6K series scales better than HD 5k series...
So better wait for the new HD 7k series they are XDR2 memory which is twice faster than GDDR5


Any ideas on when they will arrive? the 7k series that is?

a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:52:47 PM

dextr88 said:
Oh, Thanks guys you´ve been very helpfull thus far! It seems as if im going to get a 5870 then, 1 last question..will it scale good in X fire if i want to throw another 5870 in my rig?

I think your cpu and psu are fine for a xfire setup. It all depends if your MOBO Supports it. :bounce: 
October 19, 2011 5:54:16 PM

Oh and 1more thing...sorry for hurling tons of questions your way but, will my cpu bottleneck my card? its an i7 quad core 860
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:57:21 PM

dextr88 said:
Oh and 1more thing...sorry for hurling tons of questions your way but, will my cpu bottleneck my card? its an i7 quad core 860

If from what i understand it has a 2.5ghz clock. I think you'll be fine if you overclock it.
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:57:34 PM

For a single card setup ? of course no....
For a CF, no.. you just need to OC it to a higher speed in order to keep up with both cards.
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 5:58:22 PM

Also what motherboard do you have?
October 19, 2011 6:00:12 PM

To OC it il need to buy water cooling am i correct? :( 
Well, il save up a wee bit more cash and il grab the 5870 then, Thanks guys! :) 
One last thing, how many W should my PSU have? Since il check it tomorow or @ the weekend, so i know if its sufficient before my purhcase.
October 19, 2011 6:01:11 PM

Djentleman said:
Also what motherboard do you have?


I bought my rig prebuilt just as an note :) 

The MOBO is a ´´ Ipower G5800´´ its from Packardbell
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:04:46 PM

dextr88 said:
To OC it il need to buy water cooling am i correct? :( 

No, i have a stock cooler for mine and i run it at 4.0 ghz. Plus my temps are only 60degrees.
October 19, 2011 6:06:29 PM

Oh , awesome :)  So is my MOBO good enuf?
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:06:44 PM

To OC your GPU you don't need a watercooling, it's only for extreme overclocking.
Any Aftermarket CPU cooler such as Hyper 212+ will make it.

You must be sure that your PSU is a branded one, Corsair/Antec/CoolerMaster...
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:10:54 PM

dextr88 said:
Oh , awesome :)  So is my MOBO good enuf?

I couldn't find it. Have you ever taken a gander at it? Does it have two pcie 2.0 slots at x16?
October 19, 2011 6:17:03 PM

it has PCie 16x16 according to CPU-Z Motherboard tab...hm strange, it said it had pcie 2.0 before, im supposed to look at Graphic Interface in the mobo tab ->Link width and max supported i guess? Since its all i can find under PCie. If my memory serves me right tho, i think my mobo has pcie express 2.0, i just dont think that CPU-Z can recognize it.
Can i see which slot it has if i open my rig and take a look?
October 19, 2011 6:17:50 PM

ilysaml said:
To OC your GPU you don't need a watercooling, it's only for extreme overclocking.
Any Aftermarket CPU cooler such as Hyper 212+ will make it.

You must be sure that your PSU is a branded one, Corsair/Antec/CoolerMaster...


Its a packardbell PSU because, as i mentioned before, its factory built @ packard bell
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 6:20:40 PM

dextr88 said:
it has PCie 16x16 according to CPU-Z Motherboard tab...hm strange, it said it had pcie 2.0 before, im supposed to look at Graphic Interface in the mobo tab ->Link width and max supported i guess? Since its all i can find under PCie. If my memory serves me right tho, i think my mobo has pcie express 2.0, i just dont think that CPU-Z can recognize it.
Can i see which slot it has if i open my rig and take a look?

That's a good sign, i don't think there should be any problem with Xfire on that MOBO.
I would suggest that you look a little into it before you do it. (like what chipset it has).
October 19, 2011 6:30:59 PM

Thanks mate :) 
So, is it possible to know what pcie xpress it has if i look on my mobo inside my rig?
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2011 8:18:09 PM

dextr88 said:
Thanks mate :) 
So, is it possible to know what pcie xpress it has if i look on my mobo inside my rig?

Yes, here's an example : PCIEX8_1 or PCIEX16_1. You should see something like this on your motherboard. You should have for the first one a, PCIEX16_1.
October 20, 2011 1:24:08 PM

Ok awesome, i just checked and i´ve got a PCIEX16, but thats pciex 16, the card requires a pcie 2.0 or am i wrong?
October 20, 2011 1:34:00 PM

Ok i just hit another bump in the road..since i dont know a flying !"#¤ about graphic card specs and such, which of these should i pick from the 5870´s?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/277-1755788-27...

Now that i´ve browsed amazon, i came across the nvidia 560ti aswell, its almost the same price as the 5870, which would be the best? planning on SLI or Xfire in the future, but not for another 12months at least

a c 143 U Graphics card
October 20, 2011 1:54:13 PM

Pick the Vapor-X 5870
a b U Graphics card
October 20, 2011 4:40:04 PM

dextr88 said:
Ok awesome, i just checked and i´ve got a PCIEX16, but thats pciex 16, the card requires a pcie 2.0 or am i wrong?

It's most likely a 2.0, I'd be suprised if you didn't at-least have one. :whistle: 
October 20, 2011 6:04:15 PM

Thanks guys!
Im gonna buy a PSU then, since i u guys told me i should get a branded 1 and even AMD suggested me to get a certified PSU, such as Corsair.

Im thinking of Getting this PSU, will it be able to handle a crossfire with 2 5870 and even better cards in the future ? I would like the PSU to last for a good 2-3years , i will maybe as mentioned before, go sli/x fire in the future so bear that in mind.

http://www.webhallen.com/hardvara/129360-corsair_powers...
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 20, 2011 6:11:05 PM

Go with it with eyes closed, also the next generation from nVidia and AMD are 28nm process which means less power consumption and less heat.
You're good with this PSU all long the way. Great Pick.
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 20, 2011 6:13:20 PM

But be noted that it's not Modular, if you care about Cable Management get a Modular PSU.
October 20, 2011 6:15:29 PM

Sounds completely awesome :) 
Il grab that PSU up by tomorow if everything goes well then, and then by next month or so il get my 5870, thanks guys, you´ve been extremely helpfull!

Oh one last question (sorry xD) Is there any diffrence between the performance boost between SLI and Xfire? does Nvidias cards scale better then amd´s or vice versa?
October 20, 2011 6:17:00 PM

ilysaml said:
But be noted that it's not Modular, if you care about Cable Management get a Modular PSU.


Hmm true, but modular psu´s cost a fortune where i live :p  its atleast a good 50dollars extra for the modular psu, i dont think it will be a deal breaker for me :) 
Thanks tho for the note
October 20, 2011 6:34:14 PM

Changed my mind xD il get a modular PSU instead, any tips on a certain modell?
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 20, 2011 6:35:08 PM

Budget in USD ?
October 20, 2011 6:40:41 PM

Well, at this time, i have aprox 100USD to spend at the PSU atm, but if i spend em all on a 100USD PSU, il have to wait a while longer for my 5870 to afford it.
!