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October 23, 2011 7:54:52 PM

Hi, what would be the best single card solution for BF3? Its leaning towards a 580 twin frozr since i can get it for 15% off, unless you got some other suggestions.

As much as id love to, i cant crossfire cause i hade little knowlage of motherboards when i bought my pc and i picked one where the SATA ports happend to be in a bad position :( 



Any other suggestions or should i just order it?

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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 8:42:14 PM

what's your full system specs ?
What's your screen resolution ?
A GTX 570 or HD 6970 will max out the BF3 even a HD 6950/GTX 560Ti will do the job.
a b U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 8:47:00 PM

Go for either the MSI 580 Twin Frozr or the EVGA 580 you won't be disappointed.

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October 23, 2011 8:57:42 PM

ilysaml said:
what's your full system specs ?
What's your screen resolution ?
A GTX 570 or HD 6970 will max out the BF3 even a HD 6950/GTX 560Ti will do the job.



I dont think 560/6950 will max the game fully in retail on ultra but i could be wrong since the game is not optimized as much in beta.

My spec:

GA-P55-USB3
Corsair 650 watt
i5 750
xfx 5850
4gb ram
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 9:02:37 PM

I played the Beta with the HD 6950, never dropped lower than 40+ FPS on ultra, was getting a constant of 60 FPS in inside Metro Operation.
So the GTX 560Ti or HD 6950 will get you playable FPS on ultra, if you wanna max it out without a problem get a HD 6970 or GTX 570.
No need to go higher right now as the new series is coming out.

And still the most important question, what resolution will you be gaming at ?
a b U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 9:05:42 PM

The words "best card" make it tough. The 580 or 6970 will produce the highest fps lol. Is that the "best"? According to this chart:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/292?vs=305

. . . the 580 seems likely to be the faster of the two on BF3.

If budget is an issue, the best card for you may well be a lesser card that will give you the fps you want. Use Anand bench to find one that gives you the price/performance you want; some were suggested by others here. If you're gaming at higher than 1920, get the 580. If you're gaming at lower than 1920`, you do not need the 580 at all.
a c 620 U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 9:14:15 PM

Get the GTX 580 and never have to wonder if you could've/should've gotten a card with more power.
October 23, 2011 9:29:01 PM

ilysaml said:
I played the Beta with the HD 6950, never dropped lower than 40+ FPS on ultra, was getting a constant of 60 FPS in inside Metro Operation.
So the GTX 560Ti or HD 6950 will get you playable FPS on ultra, if you wanna max it out without a problem get a HD 6970 or GTX 570.
No need to go higher right now as the new series is coming out.

And still the most important question, what resolution will you be gaming at ?


Oh yea sorry, 1920x1080
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 9:31:55 PM

so a GTX 570 or HD 6970 will run the BF3 just fine, no need to get the GTX 580.
GTX 580 still beats those cards by extra 20% performance.
you're decision. but no need to spent that much while a lower card can do the job just fine.
a b U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 10:15:36 PM

"Best" is an interesting word and if you wanted the best performance from a single card then your looking at a 6990 or 590. Neither of which are a good value option. But what others have posted is correct, based on the beta running at ultra a 6950/6970 or 570 was sufficient. I would find it near impossible to recommend a 580, although it is the fastest single GPU card, it is only ~15% faster than a 570 and 50% more expensive.
a b U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 10:28:02 PM

Best single card, with a single GPU - GTX 580
Best single card, with 2 GPUs - GTX 590/6990

Oh and don't think GTX 580 is overkill for BF3 @ 1920x1080 like many are saying here. Even my GTX 580 OCd to 910/1820mhz sometimes dipped to 35fps on caspian border on the ultra preset.

EDIT: Yes I know it was the BETA, but I doubt it will be that much more optimized...plus the ultra preset in the beta may be of lesser quality than in retail.
October 23, 2011 10:29:31 PM

for 1920x1080 on ulta:

if budget: around 350$
a. ATI HD6970 (better although costs more than option b)
b. GTX570 (this if physx is needed. BF3 doesnot use GPU based phsyx)

if budget: 220$-250$
a. ATI HD6870
b. GTX560ti (this if physx is needed. BF3 doesnot use GPU based phsyx)


First set will give you 60FPS+ in all battle conditions.

Second set will give you around 60FPS indoors and normal outdoor environments. But if retail version is coded better and is fixed it should give you 35-40FPS even in intense battle moments. Nonetheless it will give you around 30FPS.

Second set is good for now. No need to spend on a single card for SeT A unless you want to do SLI or crossfire out of them.
October 23, 2011 10:43:58 PM

henrytowns said:
for 1920x1080 on ulta:

if budget: around 350$
a. ATI HD6970 (better although costs more than option b)
b. GTX570 (this if physx is needed. BF3 doesnot use GPU based phsyx)

if budget: 220$-250$
a. ATI HD6870
b. GTX560ti (this if physx is needed. BF3 doesnot use GPU based phsyx)


First set will give you 60FPS+ in all battle conditions.

Second set will give you around 60FPS indoors and normal outdoor environments. But if retail version is coded better and is fixed it should give you 35-40FPS even in intense battle moments. Nonetheless it will give you around 30FPS.

Second set is good for now. No need to spend on a single card for SeT A unless you want to do SLI or crossfire out of them.


To be honest i find it hard to think that 570 and 6970 on 60+ fps unless there is 2x of them
October 23, 2011 10:59:11 PM

Ya... BF2BC2 on highest 1080 with 16QAA dips to 50fps on 570.
October 23, 2011 11:02:14 PM

andy0 said:
To be honest i find it hard to think that 570 and 6970 on 60+ fps unless there is 2x of them

the game was 60FPS constant on my GTX560ti in beta. outdoors was also 40-50 easily. just under building destruction and in other mayhem it went down to 30. and even 28. since there were other graphical glitches too like shivering dead bodies etc so i am guessing all will be fixed in the retail version. and 570 will most certainly be 60FPS if GTX560ti can do 40-60FPS.

@swidd
yes it would. sorry i mistakenly ignored AA completely while posting. but i am sure if the AA is 4xMSAA then ultra settings are no trouble. But frostbite engine is very stable. my BF2 runs on 40-50 FPS on full settings and BF3 Beta on 60FPS in normal battle scenes.

October 23, 2011 11:06:18 PM

henrytowns said:
the game was 60FPS constant on my GTX560ti in beta. outdoors was also 40-50 easily. just under building destruction and in other mayhem it went down to 30. and even 28. since there were other graphical glitches too like shivering dead bodies etc so i am guessing all will be fixed in the retail version. and 570 will most certainly be 60FPS if GTX560ti can do 40-60FPS.



And what resolution was that in i might ask? :p 
October 23, 2011 11:07:54 PM

andy0 said:
And what resolution was that in i might ask? :p 


1920x1080. i have a 24 inch Asus LED. Corei52500K @3.3 GHZ, 8Gb ram @1066.
October 23, 2011 11:12:02 PM

henrytowns said:
1920x1080. i have a 24 inch Asus LED. Corei52500K @3.3 GHZ, 8Gb ram @1066.


Did you even record the frames or just guessed?
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 11:13:32 PM

a c 143 U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 11:18:06 PM

see, the GTX 570 is getting around 58 FPS, the GTX 580 is doing good also, but not a huge difference.
when i told you about the 50+ FPS, my CPU was overclocked to 4.0 GHz, NB 2500..this gave a boost of 10 FPS.

Benches above are taken with the stock clocks, a good GTX 570 with higher clocks = steady 60 FPS.
October 23, 2011 11:19:58 PM

ilysaml said:
see, the GTX 570 is getting around 58 FPS, the GTX 580 is doing good also, but not a huge difference.
when i told you about the 50+ FPS, my CPU was overclocked to 4.0 GHz, NB 2500..this gave a boost of 10 FPS.

Benches above are taken with the stock clocks, a good GTX 570 with higher clocks = steady 60 FPS.



Question is..is that min fps or max
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 11:20:23 PM

avg
October 23, 2011 11:23:57 PM

andy0 said:
I thought so ;) 

i did a benchmark. it was average 50 FPS due to intense battle that i went through at that time which brought the FPS down to 30 too for some time. in the graph above its around 45. my GTX560 ti is OC version. my settings were ultra. with 4xMSAA.

Edit: shadow quality and effects were on high - not ultra.
So gtx560ti cant do it on ultra and 60FPS. 580 would be the way to go.
a b U Graphics card
October 23, 2011 11:25:04 PM

That's on high, not ultra.

Anyway, if you can afford it get the 580, there's no point in getting anything less, as long as your CPU won't bottleneck it. Also, a 580 with a good aftermarket cooler will OC better than anything else, on average. That's not to mention 1.5GB of RAM vs. 1.25GB on the 570. 1.5GB of VRAM is perfect IMO for 1920x1080. It's enough to be more or less fully utilized and enough to not make you stutter.
October 24, 2011 12:08:31 AM

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what's the total unit specs and your budget.?



My spec:

GA-P55-USB3
Corsair 650 watt
i5 750
xfx 5850
4gb ram


I could probobly spend if i calculated it right 800 £
October 24, 2011 12:09:35 AM

EDIT: at 1920x1080, everthing is stock atm
October 24, 2011 12:15:56 AM

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in the UK huh.?
800 British pounds sterling = 1264.6400 US dollars

you can upgrade your entire platform with that.
in other words you have plenty of performance upgrade options..



Yes around 8000 (SEK) if not more, but sweden isnt relly the cheapest :p 
October 24, 2011 12:27:45 AM

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I run a P55 set-up:

i5-760 @ 3.52GHz
EVGA P55 mATX SLi
SLi NGTX 460 HAWKS
so on ...

I'm waiting for Ivy to be released for upgrading to LGA1155 would reuire a CPU as well.
do you have your i5-750 overclocked.?

were kind of in the same boat..



No i havent clocked it yet, just waiting for a time when i can be arsked to do it, im new to overclocking :p 
October 24, 2011 12:28:47 AM

EDIT: At least you can have 2x cards, there is my biggest problem :( 
October 24, 2011 12:36:15 AM

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I see.
maybe a GFX card upgrade then yes, and maybe adding SSD.?



An ssd has come to my mind but god the price you pay for 120gb is abit to much even if its faster. Thats my opinion on it anyway :p 

I be damn sure to pick a proper mobo next time though!

Im very close to just order that damn card to be honest, should play bf3 on at least high if not ultra just fine.
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2011 8:38:02 AM

Just get the GTX 580
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2011 9:11:00 AM

at hardocp.com they stated that a 560 Ti can run all ultra no blur no AA at playable.
Im guessing if the 560 Ti is oced, and you factor in optimized drivers once the game comes out...

Dunno but i personally have a 560 Ti so we will see.
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2011 9:19:24 AM

I would expect a 560 Ti to get around 30fps on ultra @ 1080.
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2011 4:46:09 PM

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it's better than that when overclocked..


Well if its overclocked to 570 speeds then maybe 40 - 45fps on ultra @ 1080p
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2011 6:29:26 PM

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not arguing....
agreeing it's a good card.
me personally would take the 570 over the 560 Ti but that's a no brainer if you have the money..


As you say its a no brainer and I would also get a 580 over a 570 but it all comes down to budget.
a c 620 U Graphics card
October 25, 2011 1:41:38 AM

I look at it this way, if you are paying with a credit card, then the 580 is just another couple monthly payments. If you are using your cash savings, then hunt out the best price/performance, in this case, an overclocked GTX 560 Ti.
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