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March 28, 2012 12:46:59 AM

which will run the mighty bf3 better ?
1. AMD 2.9 GHz FM1 uPGA A8
3850 Processor
with
Biostar A55ML+
Motherboard
4gb RAM
radeon 6770 1gb
Corsair CMPSU-430CXV2UK 430 Watts PSU


OR

2. Intel 3.1 GHz LGA 1155 Core i3-2100
Processor
Biostar H61MLC Motherboard
4GB RAM
RADEON 6770 1GB
Corsair CMPSU-430CXV2UK 430 Watts
PSU


which one can run bf3 at high ?

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March 28, 2012 1:00:18 AM

I think both rigs could run BF3 at medium settings, depending on your monitor resolution.
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March 28, 2012 1:08:04 AM

the intel build is miles ahead.

You still won't get the highest settings, but the A8 apu is a low end htpc oriented chip. Its great, but not for a gaming build.
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March 28, 2012 1:15:04 AM

The graphics card will keep them both from being playable at high/ultra settings
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March 28, 2012 1:43:43 AM

6770 isn't going to run high settings unless your at a low resolution.
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March 28, 2012 5:17:17 AM

See the link kelthic posted. BF3 is almost only dependent on the video card power to drive FPS.

The i3 + 6770 has only 1x 6770 worth of performance, the A8 + 6770 has ~2x 6770s worth of performance.

Neither setup will come close to maxing out BF3, but the A8 + 6770 should beat the i3 + 6770.
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March 28, 2012 6:31:08 AM

That link shows a 2 FPS difference. You are not going to notice the difference between 62 FPS and 64 FPS. This is more of a reason to get the i3-2100. The i3-2100 outperforms the a8-3850 in almost everything.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=399

toms hardware also has the i3-2100 3 tiers higher than the a8-3850 for gaming
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

1 HD 6770 can run Battlefield 3 on high settings. i have a diamond 6770 at stock speed with a acer 23' monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and i play bf3 multiplayer on high settings at 1080p resolution and i average about 30-35 fps. SOMETIMES dips below 30 in intense situations and sometimes hits over 45. (i tested using fraps) this is more than playable unless youre one of those people who cant play anything under 60 fps

People buy APUs if they are on really tight budget and cannot/do not want to buy a discrete graphics card. You have the money to buy an i3-2100 + a decent graphics card. There is no reason to get the APU. Arent you going to be playing other games as well as running other programs on your computer? youre going to buy the A8-3850 to get an unnoticeable increase in FPS in BF3 at the expense of loss in performance everywhere else?
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March 28, 2012 7:02:47 AM

Raiddinn said:
See the link kelthic posted. BF3 is almost only dependent on the video card power to drive FPS.

The i3 + 6770 has only 1x 6770 worth of performance, the A8 + 6770 has ~2x 6770s worth of performance.

Neither setup will come close to maxing out BF3, but the A8 + 6770 should beat the i3 + 6770.


this is just wrong. I'm assuming you are referencing the ability to hybrid crossfire the integrated GPU with a dedicated card, but its not possible with a 6770. even when it is, it adds very little performance. Less than you get from simply overclocking the integrated GPU.

Again, I love the a8 APUs. But not in this situation.
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March 28, 2012 8:18:35 AM

Whatever you do, do not buy an i3 for BF3. You will be greatly disappointed.

What everyone in this thread forgot to think about is that BF3 ~needs~ four cores for multiplayer. On single player campaign setting the game never use's more then two cores and it seems to be GPU limited. On multiplayer maps this changes as the game needs the additional cores.

So unless you intend to ONLY play single player campaign settings, or brag about timed demo benchmarks and never want to play competitive multiplayers, then take the A8 over the i3, or if budget permits get an i5.
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March 28, 2012 8:31:12 AM

go with the Intel build, also buy sunglasses
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March 28, 2012 8:32:11 AM

palladin9479 said:
Whatever you do, do not buy an i3 for BF3. You will be greatly disappointed.

What everyone in this thread forgot to think about is that BF3 ~needs~ four cores for multiplayer. On single player campaign setting the game never use's more then two cores and it seems to be GPU limited. On multiplayer maps this changes as the game needs the additional cores.

So unless you intend to ONLY play single player campaign settings, or brag about timed demo benchmarks and never want to play competitive multiplayers, then take the A8 over the i3, or if budget permits get an i5.


again, this is not true. BF3 is surprisingly CPU independent. it has been benched to show a more powerful dual core is significantly better than a weaker quad. and an A8 is a VERY weak quad. the i3 2100 outperforms the A8 in virtually every CPU related task. the only time where the A8 is a better buy is in a situation where you have to be using integrated graphics.
with a dedicated gpu, the i3 wins hands down.
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March 28, 2012 8:34:46 AM

For the money for that APU and Mobo you could get a Phenom II and Am3/am3+ board, which will perform better than the Llano
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March 28, 2012 8:40:08 AM

welshmousepk said:
again, this is not true. BF3 is surprisingly CPU independent. it has been benched to show a more powerful dual core is significantly better than a weaker quad. and an A8 is a VERY weak quad. the i3 2100 outperforms the A8 in virtually every CPU related task. the only time where the A8 is a better buy is in a situation where you have to be using integrated graphics.
with a dedicated gpu, the i3 wins hands down.



Nope, already been done.

In a timed loop demo the i3 beats the A8. In multiplayer the i3 will start to become skippy after 16 players and be unplayable at 40+. BF3 maps can get as much as 64 players and their working on 128 player maps eventually.

BF3 is rather unique in that it's single and multiplayer performance characteristics differ greatly. I can't stress this enough, you need four cores to play BF3 in big multiplayer maps. The entire point of that game is to participate in large scale team on team combat, vehicles, destructible environment and many independent players running around puts an extreme burden the CPU to track it all and it needs to run in parallel. The better idea would be an i5.

I'll say it again, under no circumstance should you attempt BF3 with a dual core CPU. You'll be disappointed and pissed off from getting killed during multiplayer play in a game that is focused on multiplayer.
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March 28, 2012 9:14:26 AM

isnt the i3-2100 a pseudo quad core with 2 phsyical + 2 logical cores?

this guy claims that his i3-2100 + 6850 get an average of 47 fps on high settings playing at 1680x1050 with 64 players. he shows that his CPU is at 65-75% usage while his gpu is at 100%
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2203170&pa...

also this guy seems to play bf3 multiplayer well with his i3-2100 granted he is using a 560ti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx7Wnm81BRY
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March 28, 2012 9:34:20 AM

computernewb said:
isnt the i3-2100 a pseudo quad core with 2 phsyical + 2 logical cores?

this guy claims that his i3-2100 + 6850 get an average of 47 fps on high settings playing at 1680x1050 with 64 players. he shows that his CPU is at 65-75% usage while his gpu is at 100%
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2203170&pa...

also this guy seems to play bf3 multiplayer well with his i3-2100 granted he is using a 560ti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx7Wnm81BRY



Anandtech post was a single player looped benchmark, aka what most websites use. I've seen the i3-2100 on multiplayer, it chokes once the player count starts to rise. Which is the point I've been trying to make, BF3 is incredibly sensitive to multiple cores during online play. HT won't cut it. Get a four core CPU, nothing else.

Personally I don't really recommend the A8 if your getting a good dGPU. I really wish Intel had a low end four core CPU, it would be the perfect choice for this. Otherwise possible go with a Phenom II X4 965? (budget build).

If I was making the choice I'd find a way to use an i5, would be much better then all the previous choices.
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March 28, 2012 10:44:11 AM

If you intend on playing BF3 in large multiplayer maps, you want a Quad core at a min, this is one of the few games that will happily use a 6core cpu for 64player maps

Take a note too BF3 will not use Hyper-threading at all, so HT is useless for BF3
March 28, 2012 10:51:01 AM

I fully agree with palladin9479!

Before multiplayer action, I finished BF3 single player and I noticed that my CPU (my specs are in the sig) was never above 60-70%...
But as soon as I got my self on multiplayer, my CPU went 95-100% constantly!
March 28, 2012 12:54:15 PM

i dont care about the 1000rs

forget bf3... i will also play other games like shogun 2 fifa 12 mw3 gta4 the upcoming resident evil nfs the run la noire and many more..
March 28, 2012 1:06:51 PM

and i may not play multiplayer bf3 cuz my internet speed is slow...
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March 28, 2012 1:08:36 PM

I still say a quad or hex core phenom II is a better answer to the Llano APU or the i3

and would cost less than the top end Llano shown + mobo
March 28, 2012 1:10:56 PM

and guys u all are intelligent people.. so y r ur opinions different ? u all know computers and its not like they manufacture different a8s and i3s.. they all r the same so y different opinions ?
DONT TALK ABOUT UR PERSONAL PREFERENCES
GET DOWN TO FACTS
SIMPLE !
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March 28, 2012 1:13:38 PM

OK FACTS ARE

Llano is not meant for gaming and the socket is soon replaced so BAD CHOICE

i3 will suffer in BF3 as mutiplayer really does rag all available cores

Phenom II 960T or 965BE will cost LESS than the Llano and PERFORM ALOT BETTER in games.
March 28, 2012 1:19:29 PM

what is Llano ?
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March 28, 2012 1:22:55 PM

Llano is the A8 and that series of proccesors

edit to add* its basically an athlon with a built in GPU
March 28, 2012 1:25:50 PM

alright ... so how r u so sure that it will beat i3 and the other amd ?
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March 28, 2012 1:29:19 PM

no you misunderstand me. Llano (the A8) will not beat a phenom II at gaming. I'm also pretty sure in BF3 the Phenom II will do better than the i3 in multiplayer.

What I am trying to say is both of your initial choices are not good for what you want.

Phenom II 960T + Basic Motherboard will be roughly £130-£140

Llano A8 + Basic Motherboard will be roughly £140-150

The Phenom II will cost less and perform better gaming
March 28, 2012 1:47:36 PM

are u sure a am3 processor will support an am3+ mobo ?
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March 28, 2012 1:48:30 PM

Yes i have one in an AM3+ board right now

See my signature
March 28, 2012 2:14:24 PM

are u sure a am3 processor will work with a am3+ mobo ?
March 28, 2012 2:15:48 PM

are u sure a am3 processor will work with a am3+ mobo ?
March 28, 2012 2:18:00 PM

can ya choose the ram too ? from flipkart
March 28, 2012 3:59:25 PM

the first 2 links r the same
and i need 4gb ram
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March 28, 2012 4:12:24 PM

welshmousepk said:
this is just wrong. I'm assuming you are referencing the ability to hybrid crossfire the integrated GPU with a dedicated card, but its not possible with a 6770. even when it is, it adds very little performance. Less than you get from simply overclocking the integrated GPU.

Again, I love the a8 APUs. But not in this situation.



Actually, it is....http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/A8-3870K-vs-Core...


Yes, the A8 is a weak quad, however, a strong dual core is not going to come out on top here. Its just not going to happen.

But they're claiming the game isn't comfortably playable with either one. I don't own BF3... So I dunno, mileage may vary.
March 28, 2012 4:15:30 PM

nekulturny said:
Actually, it is....http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/A8-3870K-vs-Core...


Yes, the A8 is a weak quad, however, a strong dual core is not going to come out on top here. Its just not going to happen.

But they're claiming the game isn't comfortably playable with either one. I don't own BF3... So I dunno, mileage may vary.



we re talkn about the phenom..
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March 28, 2012 4:23:19 PM

divJ said:
we re talkn about the phenom..



If you go with a Phenom II, you're going to need a decent video card (one that you previously stated was beyond your budget), really this shouldn't have been dragged into 2 threads. Computernewb made this situation overly complicated by suggesting you start a 2nd thread here. The problem with this thread, is you're getting advice from other users who really aren't up to speed on your budget constraints and other factors we discussed in Homebuilt.

In the other thread we told you with your budget, the best bet was getting an A8 with a weak graphics card to back it up. As the benchmarks show from hardware secrets, while neither the i3 or the a8 are ideal, the A8 is the better choice.
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March 28, 2012 4:25:18 PM

lol..... theres a budget?

Though seriously I'd still take the PII over the Llano i think. I know for a fact he can run BF3 mostly on high pairing that PII with a 550ti.... its what i can do at the moment
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March 28, 2012 4:27:54 PM

wr6133 said:
lol..... theres a budget?

Though seriously I'd still take the PII over the Llano i think. I know for a fact he can run BF3 mostly on high pairing that PII with a 550ti.... its what i can do at the moment



Yea... its a mess. I may just be a first year IT student, but you don't really think I'd recommend such weak computer chips for such a demanding game unless I was working under a very tight budget do you? lol :non: 

It started here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/340514-31-which-board

But then computernewb insisted divj come here....
March 28, 2012 4:28:36 PM

phenom or i3 or a8 with 6770 ?
they all are in budget
March 28, 2012 4:31:27 PM

GOD DAMN PEOPLE STOP SUGGESTING STUFF ! JUST ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION !
I3 OR A8 OR PHENOM WITH 6770 !? WHICH IS BETTER FOR GAMING ?
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March 28, 2012 4:32:15 PM

nekulturny said:
Yea... its a mess. I may just be a first year IT student, but you don't really think I'd recommend such weak computer chips for such a demanding game unless I was working under a very tight budget do you? lol :non: 

It started here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/340514-31-which-board

But then computernewb insisted divj come here....


He is working under a tight budget it seems.

Well the Phenom is not weak its better than the Llano A8. He will see more mileage and future from the PII than the Llano. His GPU will do what he needs it too and can be upgraded in future when time allows.

Recommending him the Llano makes no sense

Weaker than Phenom II

Soon to be dead socket so thats as good as it ever gets with Llano
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March 28, 2012 4:32:32 PM

divJ said:
GOD DAMN PEOPLE STOP SUGGESTING STUFF ! JUST ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION !
I3 OR A8 OR PHENOM WITH 6770 !? WHICH IS BETTER FOR GAMING ?


:ouch: 
You know what.. I'm done. I've been trying to help you for going on what 4 or 5 days now? I warned you already about the attitude.. Good luck with your build.....
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March 28, 2012 4:32:36 PM

Phenom II is better
March 28, 2012 4:32:56 PM

Dont use capitals, it is considerd to mean that you are shouting and no one is going to help you, Either the i3 or the Phenom, do not go with the A8
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