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March 28, 2012 7:32:02 AM

Hey guys im going to upgrade my CPU and either buy ram or PSU along with it. Im pritty sure im going to get the Phenom 960T as its a great CPU for the price and that leaves me 40 left on new ram or PSU. Do you think a new PSU is more important as my current one isnt a proper brand name and is probably holding back my OC abilities.
If you guys can recommend any PSU's up to 45pounds or even CPU that you think im better off getting that would be a great help.

My current rig:
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
Casecom 6988 with 2 140mm and a 92mm fans
Asrock N68C-S UCC
4GB DDR3 1333mhz Kingston ram
MSI Twin Frozr III PE R6950 OC to 900/1350
Amd Athlon II X4 640 OC to 3.590Ghz
G7 Power Extreme 680w PSU

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March 28, 2012 7:53:01 AM

Or getting this Asrock n68-vs3 fx and an FX 4100 could be another choice but im not so sure its worth going to BD
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March 28, 2012 8:07:02 AM

Neither is worth it over your overclocked Athlon IMO. If you feel you need an upgrade go for Sandy Bridge. I'm surprised though - your system should be able to run anything.
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March 28, 2012 8:26:23 AM

benjanini61 said:
Hey guys im going to upgrade my CPU and either buy ram or PSU along with it. Im pritty sure im going to get the Phenom 960T as its a great CPU for the price and that leaves me 40 left on new ram or PSU. Do you think a new PSU is more important as my current one isnt a proper brand name and is probably holding back my OC abilities.
If you guys can recommend any PSU's up to 45pounds or even CPU that you think im better off getting that would be a great help.

My current rig:
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
Casecom 6988 with 2 140mm and a 92mm fans
Asrock N68C-S UCC
4GB DDR3 1333mhz Kingston ram
MSI Twin Frozr III PE R6950 OC to 900/1350
Amd Athlon II X4 640 OC to 3.590Ghz
G7 Power Extreme 680w PSU


I can only recoomend bying these products to upgrade your ram
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Processors+-+...

Then you will need one of these

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Coolers+-+Air...

Which will enable you to OC your 960T to around 4.0ghz

then buy this
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory+-+RAM/...
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March 28, 2012 8:49:52 AM

120 GB SSD and 4 more GB of RAM
March 28, 2012 9:01:11 AM

Unless you are happy spending say £50+ on a PSU then don't bother, it's a false economy buying cheap. I do however agree with wr6133's suggestion if you are going to go for a PSU. A better quality PSU will help keep your overclocks stable (may not increase overclocking ability as it's down to the stability of the lines and current/power draw per line but if there is more current available per line than your current PSU then yes it may help)

Other than that it's a decent rig what you already have, if you go for thr 960T then memory is cheap enough these days, suggest you drop in another 4GB memory, although you won't notice a massive leap in gaming from the memory increase but will help. Beyond 8GB and returns diminish, even go backwards. 8GB is definately a sweet spot. I actually lose 2 FPS by having 16GB over 8GB in BF3 but I do a lot of media work and in the grandscheme of things 2 FPS is nothing.

I like uther39 suggestions
March 28, 2012 9:19:36 AM

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The only reason people today are buying 8gb od ram for there gaming rigs is because DDR3 is so cheap $30-$40 gets you an 8gb kit but 4gb is all that is need to run game just perfectly and you will notice no difference in 8gb because games do not even use 4gb.


Games may not utilise more than 4GB in isolation but background applications in addition to the game itself (if you have background tasks or apps running) can push this beyond. My FPS went up as a result the first time I jumped from 4GB to 8GB on a 64 Bit operating system. Most benchmark testing don't take this into account. I run lots of applications and often take a break from what I am doing to immerse myself in a game for an hour or two before reverting back. If you just turn your PC on, play a game and then turn it off then yes, 4GB is spot on :) 
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March 28, 2012 9:20:26 AM

Yeah, hold back a few quid and buy your mother something nice..
March 28, 2012 9:28:07 AM

Quote:
The only reason people today are buying 8gb od ram for there gaming rigs is because DDR3 is so cheap $30-$40 gets you an 8gb kit but 4gb is all that is need to run game just perfectly and you will notice no difference in 8gb because games do not even use 4gb.


So not true monolithic, I use about 3gb on idle just browsing. When I go to gaming I can use up to 6 gb. So yes 8gb is a must for gaming.


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March 28, 2012 9:55:32 AM

@Monolithic, just speak for yourself. If your PC activities do not incur more than 4GB RAM then good for you. But do not call other people's application "junk". They run it for a reason & they have configured they PC RAM for that also... to each his own.

@Benjanini61, I agree with 13thMonkey. Stick with what you have & just get an SSD. It will give you the most improvement in gameplay. I have it & there is almost no wait when loading Skyrim or any other game in between scenes...
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March 28, 2012 10:02:39 AM

ERR back on topic please people.
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March 28, 2012 10:29:42 AM

Quote:
The only reason people today are buying 8gb od ram for there gaming rigs is because DDR3 is so cheap $30-$40 gets you an 8gb kit but 4gb is all that is need to run game just perfectly and you will notice no difference in 8gb because games do not even use 4gb.


can you explain to me why my system uses 5GB when playing BF3? there will be swap files being used if I only had 4GB, I'm not understanding where this myth is coming from, put teamspeak + temp monitoring on a second screen + battlelog etc. and you'll go beyond 4GB easily, perhaps not by much, but it doesn't take much.
March 28, 2012 10:30:55 AM

WOW thanks for all the comments guys, and so fast!!
Can anyone1 tell me whether my PSU needs changing or not tho coz ive heard some bad reviews on it. And Finneous surely it is worth changing to the 960T it has great OC abilities and actually posses L3 cache (6mb). And to Uther39 will my current arctic freezer pro 7 not be enough to get me to 4GHZ??
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March 28, 2012 10:45:45 AM

I've used a freezer 7 in the past I swapped to a 212. The Freezer does a good job but i found it got loud at hefty OC's. You may as well keep it though and maybe put any spare £ toward an extra 4GB RAM.

I agree that a 960T would be a good upgrade and get one while they are still around it will last you longer than the Athlon.

Your PSU is sort of a weak link there so as you can afford a better one you might as well. I linked an OCZ PSU earlier, I have used this brand alot and never had issue with them. If you can stretch the Budget a few more £ you can even get one of their modulars.

*edit to add* If your lucky the 960T will give you 6 cores and become a 1605T
March 28, 2012 11:02:13 AM

ssd maybe but more ram deffo.
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March 28, 2012 11:12:53 AM

you see, I use my machine for more than just gaming, its a general purpose machine, like most of them are. So I either spend 10mins everytime I want to game turning loads of stuff off, or I spend another £20-30 on a bit more RAM, as it stands I have 6GB, which is enough. They are meant to be used, not constantly adjusted.
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March 28, 2012 11:15:38 AM

I agree a dedicated gaming system shouldn't need more than 4 GB RAM. In my system however I have 12 GB and currently, doing nothing really, I'm using 3.66 GB of it. I wouldn't buy a general use computer today with less than 8 GB.
March 28, 2012 12:57:36 PM

Fishing Rod and bate.

sail out on the river onthe back of your girlfreind, if you had one :D 

only kidding, look on www.scan.co.uk they have some deals for bundles at the moment, some good some bad but really good for around 140/160
March 28, 2012 1:18:53 PM

140 Pounds Of What? J/K <----- American
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March 28, 2012 1:21:35 PM

hella-d said:
140 Pounds Of What? J/K <----- American


140 lbs of pron and cigars in a bucket
March 28, 2012 1:23:05 PM

FinneousPJ said:
Neither is worth it over your overclocked Athlon IMO. If you feel you need an upgrade go for Sandy Bridge. I'm surprised though - your system should be able to run anything.


I agree. You will not see much improvement in overall performance if you switch from a Quad Core Athlon to a Quad Core Phenom.

Better get yourself an SSD (put your OS and most often used games/apps there) and extra 4GB of RAM - you will be amazed how much difference it makes!
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March 28, 2012 1:28:09 PM

For general use, I'd favor the SSD over any other upgrade. Your motherboard is old, and only runs at 2000MT/s (modern ones do 5200MT/s), so any upgrades aren't going to reach their full potential. By the time you add in mobo replacement, you may as well be building a new rig entirely. In that case, regardless of how sad you may find it, the simple truth is that there is no longer any price point at which Intel does not outperform AMD.
Whatever you get, make sure it is something that you can move into your next build. RAM qualifies, although with 4GB already I wouldn't say you're hurting. A HD6950 is also a very nice GPU; unless you have a 30" monitor or are planning to play games across multiple screens, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. The PSU definitely qualifies, and if you've got a cheap generic now, would probably be a good idea. Not as visible, because it doesn't affect performance in any way you can measure, a good PSU is probably the best choice. Even if you aren't stressing the one you have, I've seen cheap PSUs blow because the wind changed direction, and sometimes (i.e. often) they take other parts with them when they die.
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March 28, 2012 1:29:07 PM

wr6133 said:
140 lbs of pron and cigars in a bucket

Hmmm, at 140 pounds, I'd be more inclined to guess it's a bag of hammers.
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March 28, 2012 1:30:21 PM

naaa just a VERY big bucket :) 
March 29, 2012 9:37:09 AM

So most of you are saying that getting the 960t wont give me a great boost in performance. And to those of you saying get an ssd, its not gunna happen coz im not spending 100 on some faster loading times. And yes this is a machine for gaming so i doubt i need more than my 4gb ram. And my machine is very clean and doesnt has useless applications in the background, i only have about 4 icons running when im in games also.
How about if i get a new up to date mobo and an FX CPU from AMD and do some crazy OC, what do you guys think of this upgrade?
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March 29, 2012 9:42:06 AM

Phenom II outperforms FX4100

I know this I have both. The 960T would give you a performance boost least of all as its easier to overclock and can be taken further than your current athlon

edi to add* FX is junk dont go there when Phenom is still around
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March 29, 2012 9:48:40 AM

wr6133 said:
Phenom II outperforms FX4100

I know this I have both. The 960T would give you a performance boost least of all as its easier to overclock and can be taken further than your current athlon

edi to add* FX is junk dont go there when Phenom is still around



+1

hes right, get that mobo with the 960T unlock it and OC it as it will beat the FX all day long.

http://www.ebuyer.com/269076-asus-m5a78l-usb3-amd-socke...
http://www.ebuyer.com/311396-amd-960t-black-edition-3-0...
March 29, 2012 9:53:49 AM

Ok so if i get those 2 products plus with my ram and GPU will i get 60fps on bf3 ultra in 1080?
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March 29, 2012 9:55:00 AM

Replace your cheap PSU. Then tell us what is running slowly or not as well as you'd like. Games benefit from L3 cache, so a 960T would show some improvement, but like I said above, your current mobo isn't going to get the best out of it. You'd be better off building an Intel rig, which will also cost more for another Windows license. I don't think you have any really good cheap choices left here that are worth the money.
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March 29, 2012 9:59:02 AM

Uthers selection above is really really good. The GByte board, 212 cooler and the 965.

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March 29, 2012 9:59:16 AM

I think the 3 i posted from aria.co.uk for £160 are your best options.
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March 29, 2012 10:01:20 AM

the 965 will hit high OC's easier than the 960T

the 960T will hit the high OC's with a little more fiddling and MAY unlock to 6 cores

As the 965 uther found is £10 cheaper i would take that

Either option will show you a considerable improvement over what you currently have.

The PSU is a weak link but i suppose that can always be sorted at a later date
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March 29, 2012 10:17:41 AM

You could but the GBYTE board is alot better. If its about the Budget dont get the 212 cooler suggested and stick with your freezer 7
March 29, 2012 10:21:36 AM

Surely the 960t is a better option over the 965BE coz it has a better IMC and chance to unlock 2 more cores?? Any advice?
March 29, 2012 10:22:37 AM

and 965 also uses more voltage when OC
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March 29, 2012 10:26:47 AM

It's personal preference. I chose a 960T got lucky and it became a X6 1605T. You have to know though its not a given it will become the X6.

They both will OC to 4GHZ. The Deneb Cores (965, 980 etc) are known for doing it easier with a couple of multiplier bumps. The 960T takes a little more fiddling to get there but it does get there.

Really it boils down to what you want and price as they both are pretty similar.
March 29, 2012 10:36:12 AM

wr6133 can you tell me why the GBYTE board is better i dont know everything about mobo's just the basics


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March 29, 2012 10:47:20 AM

Newer Chipset

Has 4 Slots for the RAM (Asus had 2)

Can Support Higher Speed RAM

Has USB 3.0 (ASUS only had 2.0)

Can Support Dual GPU (Crossfire)

Has more USB's

It's worth the extra £14 for the USB 3.0 alone

*edit to add* In short theres more mileage in it
March 29, 2012 10:48:35 AM

ok thanks dude
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March 29, 2012 10:51:16 AM

Oh ebay the old board and CPU when your done too. They wont make a fortune but you should redeem a few £'s
March 29, 2012 10:57:59 AM

Yer i was thinking to do that.
Well i think this is my final decicion;

Phenom II X4 965BE
GIGABYTE GA-970A-DS3 AMD 970A
and ill get the 212 or an even better cooler in the near future
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March 29, 2012 11:00:13 AM

Lets us know how it is when your done :) 
March 29, 2012 11:00:43 AM

willdo and Thanks for all the help guys
March 29, 2012 11:04:36 AM

Do you think with the new setup ill get avg around 60 fps in bf3? bare in mind my 6950 2gb is at 920/1400
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