Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

I7 930 Idle close to 60c

Tags:
  • CPUs
  • Intel i7
Last response: in CPUs
Share
April 4, 2012 4:08:27 AM

Hey there. I have an i7 930 (not the 920) with stock heatsink fan. It's been idling near 60, or at least in the upper 50's. It is not overclocked at all. Voltages aren't touched. Hyperthreading is on. I can't remember what it's called, but the option to throttle down CPU usage when not in use is turned on.

Based off what I've read, this just seems higher than it should be, if not a considerable amount higher (?), though to be honest I'm not certain. So that's my question -- is this normal, should I be worried, or is there something I can or should do about it?

Details below:

My case is a CM 690 II. I have an intake fan in front and one on the bottom. I have exhaust fans on the top, back, and side. I only recently added the side exhaust hoping it'd help (it's at the level of the CPU), and at most it seems to maybe have dropped idles closer to 56-57c. The side fan used to be a 2nd exhaust on top.

If it's worth noting, I have a Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 video card which also idles 50-55, roughly.

Another thing worth noting is that it's pretty warm where I live, and the A/C doesn't cool my room too well. Ambient temp in here can be 25-28c or so. That's upper 70's in Fahrenheit at the least, and can maybe reach 83 or so if it's real warm and humid in here, though it's not usually that warm in my room. I know ambient temp definitely affects my CPU temp, but I'm not sure if my idles around 60c is appropriate for that. Though I feel like even when my room is in the mid 70's (F) or even a little lower, my idle temps maybe only drop slightly, if at all.

I have a tiny 1-2 year old tube of Artic Silver Ceramique, though I can't remember if I've cleaned and reseated this processor with it, or if it's using the stock thermal compound.

I've checked numerous times to make sure the heatsink fan is seated properly, and I swear the pins are all the way through and there's no wiggle room.

Playing something like Skyrim, the temps on my CPU and graphics card barely change, they raise about 2 degrees. Running World of Warcraft, it seems to be around 58-63F, same with the graphics card.

I appreciate the help. I've read the i7 920 can run warm, but I see wildly different idle temps, ranging from people who have both stock and aftermarket HSF.

Also, I'm using CPUID HW Monitor to check temps, though I've also used RealTemp and they seem to report the same.

More about : 930 idle close 60c

a c 186 à CPUs
April 4, 2012 4:10:09 AM

Try re-installing the cooler and clean off the cpu and heatsink with some 90%+ rubbing alcohol. Then reapply thermal paste and turn the system on!
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 4:42:57 AM

To be honest, I think a year and half ago I reseated the heatsink with this Arctic Silver Ceramique I have. Is it worth cleaning and reapplying it again? I guess it can't make things worse, unless I do a poor job ;) 

What would be the next step if new thermal paste doesn't help?
m
0
l
Related resources
a c 186 à CPUs
April 4, 2012 5:11:52 AM

It doesn't hurt to try! :ange: 
m
0
l
a b à CPUs
April 4, 2012 6:36:14 AM

install the hsf correctly

also make sure it isnt clogged
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 7:03:56 AM

apache_lives said:
install the hsf correctly

also make sure it isnt clogged


I'm not sure I know what you mean..? Are you suggesting I reseat it? If something in my post made it seem like I didn't install it correctly, I'd like to know what it is so I don't do it in the future :D  I've built a number of computers, and haven't ever had any idle this hot, though :(  Though this is the only build I've done with an i7 9x0 series processor.

There was some (not a lot) dust in the heatsink, but I removed it and it didn't change anything.

I don't know if this also helps, but I have an Asrock x58 motherboard, and I went to the BIOS and let it sit for about 10min. It reads CPU temp at 50c and the M/B temp around 38c. Booting into windows, HWmonitor shows it idling at around 56c. Does that seem right?
m
0
l
a c 186 à CPUs
April 4, 2012 7:04:58 AM

Any dust?
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 7:15:19 AM

yup like most people say, re-seat the heat sink and the cpu. if properly seated your temps should go down by 15c easy. add some arctic silver for good measure!
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 7:27:28 AM

Alright, sounds like it's worth a shot. The computer is a little over two years old and I can't remember if I used arctic silver when originally building it, but I might as well re-seat it anyway.

Is my two year old tube of Artic Silver Ceramique okay for the job? or should I get some AS5? My Ceramique is not Ceramique 2, it's the old one :( 

Thanks for the help so far :)  will update after I re-seat it
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 7:37:08 AM

as quoted by a commenter in the NCIX forum:

"Arctic Silver 5 has no expiration date when still in the tube. After a couple years of being in the tube,the paste may separate, but it can be mixed back together and is 100% effective. "

its safe to use just a little hard to spread.
m
0
l
a c 207 à CPUs
April 4, 2012 7:39:50 AM

also when the pc powered off when you turn it back on from siting awhile check to see if the cpu fan is spinning up to speed.
a lot of times the stock fans when they fail they wont spin or they slow way down. i would also see in your bios if you can change the fan speed and make it faster. also see if you can change the fan speed to full speed and not pmw where the fan spins up and the cpu heats up..
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 6:29:42 PM

I ordered a new tube of Arctic Silver, got the Ceramique 2. Should be here in a few days.

The cpu fan looks to be spinning up to speed. So if I can set it to 100% fan speed (as opposed to auto), I should change it to that and just leave it there?
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 6:50:11 PM

With your room that hot It seems unreasonable to expect the temperature to drop too much. You should also be able to drop your vcore and remain stable at clock speeds if reseating the cooler doesn't help as much as you want. Honestly you could probably drop your vcore and still have overclocking headroom while still getting lower temperatures. What are your load temperatures?

Also, if you're paying for more paste, why not just get an aftermarket cooler? The stock cooler is terrible.
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 7:11:45 PM

KNO3 said:
With your room that hot It seems unreasonable to expect the temperature to drop too much. You should also be able to drop your vcore and remain stable at clock speeds if reseating the cooler doesn't help as much as you want. Honestly you could probably drop your vcore and still have overclocking headroom while still getting lower temperatures. What are your load temperatures?

Also, if you're paying for more paste, why not just get an aftermarket cooler? The stock cooler is terrible.


That could be a good idea, hadn't tried changing vcore yet. The vcore is set to auto but hovers around 1.15. How much lower should I go?

I did sorta assume with my room so warm, it'll greatly affect the CPU temp. When my room is cooler, say 63-70f, I believe I was idling closer to 50c or so. That still seems like a warm idle to me, but again I don't really know. I know the stock cooler sucks, but would think it'd idle lower than that..?

Going to try reseating it when I get the ceramique. However in the mean time, I'll do what I should have done before posting, and I'll run Prime95 when I get home and report back. It's been a while since I've run it.

I've considered getting an aftermarket cooler, but even with all the computers I've ever built, I never used or installed one; so it makes me a bit wary I suppose :??:  Would something like a Hyper 212+ be good? I think it's something I'm capable of installing, but well, I've never done it before :) 
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 7:39:56 PM

tusker said:
That could be a good idea, hadn't tried changing vcore yet. The vcore is set to auto but hovers around 1.15. How much lower should I go?

I did sorta assume with my room so warm, it'll greatly affect the CPU temp. When my room is cooler, say 63-70f, I believe I was idling closer to 50c or so. That still seems like a warm idle to me, but again I don't really know. I know the stock cooler sucks, but would think it'd idle lower than that..?

Going to try reseating it when I get the ceramique. However in the mean time, I'll do what I should have done before posting, and I'll run Prime95 when I get home and report back. It's been a while since I've run it.

I've considered getting an aftermarket cooler, but even with all the computers I've ever built, I never used or installed one; so it makes me a bit wary I suppose :??:  Would something like a Hyper 212+ be good? I think it's something I'm capable of installing, but well, I've never done it before :) 



I have an i7-950 that I ran with the stock cooler for awhile. I kept having issues similar to what you are describing. The stupid way that the Intel stock cooler mounts is terrible. On my case at least I can see the back of the MB where the cooler mounting holes are. You should see the white plactic part with the black things poking thru. What I found was that the stock cooler would click in place fine one time. After the initial use any moving it, reseating it, etc and the pastic was worn and would never get snug again.

I bought the 212+ for $29.99 at microcenter and even at that affordable price it is literally night and day over the stock cooler.

Thanks,
Tim
m
0
l
April 4, 2012 7:46:04 PM

Alright for reference I just spent no more than 5 minutes screwing around in my bios to see how low I could get the vcore while maintaining your 2.8ghz stock clock. I have a a 920 C0 revisions which should theoretically actually require a higher voltage to stabilize the same clock frequency. I probably could have got the vcore lower but I really only did that as a demonstration so I think my point has been made as is.

I was able to get the vcore below 1v.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2320343
m
0
l
April 5, 2012 2:28:59 AM

So, my computer has been idling today around 54-56c actually. Ran Prime95 and it seems to hang right around 78-79c.

Not saying I'm going to do nothing, but if left alone, are those idle and load temps bad or irregular? Will it cause damage? I still plan on at the very least reseating the stock cooler with AS Ceramique, though as someone pointed out, if I'm going to that trouble, perhaps I should just get a 212+.

I'd prefer to not have to put an aftermarket cooler on, but if these temps are 'bad' or are going to significantly diminish the life of the processor, I might have to just do it.

Lowered the vcore down to 1v and it didn't really change my temps. Also I checked, my CPU fan is set to 'Full On' in the bios, not Automatic.

EDIT: I swapped the direction my side fan is facing so it blows IN, and on the CPU, and my idles are now 51-54c. Ran Prime95 again and it seems to be a little cooler, more around 74-76c.
m
0
l
a c 127 à CPUs
April 5, 2012 2:42:14 AM

One thing some people missed is the side fan. With the stock HSF which pulls air down, you now have a fan pulling air away from it. Its causing a vacuum effect and the CPU fan now no longer gets any air to it.

Swap the fan around as a intake fan so its pulling cooler air from the outside into the case over the CPU instead of pulling the same air out of the case that the CPU is trying to pull from.

In order to have good air flow, where the air stays cooler, you want front, bottom and side to be intake and the rear and top to be exhausts, top mainly since hot air rises and cool air settles.

This is a older CM690 but still same idea:



I have the Corsair 500R and have two 120mms in the front pulling air in, with an extra 120mm on the bottom HDD cage pulling air again from the front, a 200mm side fan pulling air in and two 140mm top fans pulling air out and a rear 120mm right behind my Zalman 9900Max pulling air out the back.

My 2500K at 4.5GHz idles at 30c-37c per core (depends on the tskss) and under gaming it goes to 55-58c and 60-65c under Prime 95. I do have a better cooler but I am also overclocked by 36% so it shows that your airflow is not that great. Its 81F (27c) normally in my house at all times too and here in AZ when summer huts that can jump by a bit.

In all the systems I have built at work, a older Intel Extreme we built (LGA1366) with the same case and the stock fan never got above 60c under full load (Prime 95).
m
0
l
April 5, 2012 2:57:40 AM

First of all, no, your temperatures shouldn't be that high. Especially if you dropped your vcore to 1v. That said 76c in prime95 isn't terrible. In games your cpu likely won't get over 70. You maximum rated temperature is 100c, although I prefer to stay well below that temperature.

If you've fixed your airflow issue it seems the only culprit left would be your cooler.
m
0
l
a c 127 à CPUs
April 5, 2012 3:02:38 AM

It could be one of two things then. It could be your mobo is not putting enough pressure on the push pins and therefore not allowing the HSF to dissipate heat properly. I had one the other day at work, tried one of our own and som Zalman STG2 (one of the best TIMs right now) and it still idled very high and as well high under load.

Ended up having to get the guy an after market cooler. He went with the 9900Max and it made his temps more like 30c idle and 50c load.
m
0
l
April 5, 2012 5:19:35 AM

Having the side intake fan there helps. My setup is the same as the picture you provided, except I only have one exhaust on top and I only have one intake in front (bottom), and I only have one side intake fan (top) and the other 'slot' for the side fan is covered so it doesn't leak air.

Testing with World of Warcraft (lol) my temps aren't going above 56-59c or so. About the same with Skyrim.

Might be a dumb question, but at those temps, the idle/game/load, will the life of the processor be okay? As in, would it be detrimental if I didn't put on an aftermarket cooler?
m
0
l
a c 127 à CPUs
April 5, 2012 5:53:33 AM

Yes. The life of the CPU is fine so long as you keep it within its range, which is 67.9c for your CPU, you will be fine. 56-59c is fine.

It wouldn't hurt at all to have a better cooler, yours can support quite a few of the nicer ones. As well you can get the Cooler Master heatsinks which are pretty cheap and do a great job. But overall under load, it will still hit about 50c.

Still glad to hear its doing better.
m
0
l
April 5, 2012 7:29:06 AM

Thanks a bunch for your help, as well as everyone else's in this thread :) 

I'm still considering getting a Hyper 212+, my only reluctance is having never installed an aftermarket cooler before. With an aftermarket cooler like that, do I have to take further special care transporting my desktop so that it doesn't put extra stress on my motherboard?

Again, thanks for the help guys.
m
0
l
April 5, 2012 12:14:35 PM

jimmysmitty said:
Yes. The life of the CPU is fine so long as you keep it within its range, which is 67.9c for your CPU, you will be fine. .


Uh... where are you getting that number? If you pulled it from the Intel data sheet then that's entirely inaccurate. That would be the Tcase which isn't what core tempt is monitoring. It's also not possible to accurately monitor.

Your core temperatures are the temperatures you're capable of monitoring. Your Tjmax is 100c, which is your "red line". It's also the temperature that your cpu will start throttling at. Theoretically it shouldn't be possible for you to damage your cpu from excessive heat because your cpu should throttle which will reduce your temperatures.

That said getting too close to Tjmax for too long can shorten the life of your cpu. But 70c isn't where you need to start worrying.

Everybody has different comfort levels. I personally set a goal when overclocking to raise my vcore and clock speed until my hottest core was 85c during stress testing. In real world applications my hottest core will never see 80. I'm comfortable with this. Which is what your temperature limit is going to come down to: your personal comfort level.

I'm still considering getting a Hyper 212+, my only reluctance is having never installed an aftermarket cooler before. With an aftermarket cooler like that, do I have to take further special care transporting my desktop so that it doesn't put extra stress on my motherboard?
said:
I'm still considering getting a Hyper 212+, my only reluctance is having never installed an aftermarket cooler before. With an aftermarket cooler like that, do I have to take further special care transporting my desktop so that it doesn't put extra stress on my motherboard?


No, there's no practical considerations. However, if you never plan to overclock then there's no real need to get the cooler. You're safe now, you just don't have a large amount of headroom as far as overclocking. Though, honestly, you still have some now :p 
m
0
l
April 5, 2012 6:45:44 PM

Ah okay, that makes much more sense KNO3. I haven't really been seeing it get too close to 70c, and even then 70c has been the max. It's been idling closer to 50c now, and in games or any development I do, it doesn't see to even really reach 60c.

But thank you for that extra bit of info on the temps.

I don't plan on overclocking, no. At least not yet.

One of my main concerns was that I feel like I've seen so many people who idle around 30c and under load go to 50c, and my temps were worrying since my idle was above or at their load temps. If I'm not damaging anything other than maybe not running as efficiently as I could, I might just keep things the way they are.

Thanks again. I wish I could mark mutiple 'answers' as best, as so many of these posts yield useful info :) 
m
0
l
a c 127 à CPUs
April 6, 2012 2:50:11 AM

While the TCase is not the full max, its a good goal to shoot for. The main issue with higher temps is higher electron migration, basically more electrons are jumping the lanes than needed and overall lowers the life of the CPU.

As I said though, your temps are great for stock cooling now. And when transporting, even without a aftermarket cooler you want to make sure not to bump it around too much. Its best to transport it in the original box if you can.
m
0
l
May 13, 2012 6:08:50 AM

So I decided to go ahead and apply some Arctic Silver Ceramique 2. I freaking reseated this thing like 6 times. I tried putting a dot in the middle, using the line method that Arctic Silver suggests. I tried tinting the heatsink.

Using a very thin line yielded the "best" results, but not my temps are simply back where they were before, hovering around 52 degrees, only now Cores 0 and 2 are always a couple degrees warmer than the others. The first reseat it was idling at 70, then around 60. But now it's more or less back where it is when it was using the stock thermal compound.

This is using the stock heatsink fan. I swear this thing is seated correctly. It's not loose. All the pins are snapped in, it's gotta be correct. My room is a little warm by not much warmer than 80 degrees Fahrenheit. I even have 6 fans in this case, too.

I built a sandy bridge 2600K for a friend recently with stock HSF and NO Arctic Silver and theirs idles at 40 degrees C, for example.

Here's my temps....



I'm at a loss at this point. I really don't want to have to go to the trouble of installing an aftermarket HSF. Can my room temperature affect the temp of the CPU drastically? If it was 70-75 ambient would it really lower it that much? Maybe my room is just too hot? I opened the window turned on a bunch of fans and got it cooler in here but it didn't change anything.

Edit:

Just ran Prime95 and it sat at about 77-78 for *all* cores. Also will the temp drop significantly after the 25 hour "break-in" period?

I almost feel like this is all just a moot point though. If this computer is still running in 2 years or less when I upgrade, then it won't matter what temps it had been running at. I'm assuming that in that period of time the processor would be the last thing to fail, anyway..
m
0
l
May 14, 2012 3:58:01 AM

I had the same issue as you mentioned and after few day study I have found a solution and fixed my high temp issue. I think you may be able to duplicate my experience.

First I would like to say, 55C IDL core temp is very normal for i7-930 with stock fan after 1 year during summer because
1. There is too many dust on the fans.
2. The pressure between CPU and heat-sink is not high enough to maintain a good thermal conductivity even you installed correctly.
3. ambient temp is critical.
but it is nothing to real need worry if you are not planning to OC your pc. 55C core temp normal means a 50C on CPU temp by different software. if you have 1333Mhz memory, trying low it to 1kMhz. lower memory speed may help CPU temp too. dropped 3C for me.

But below is one of best solution for you or whoever searching Google and trying to get high temp/louder stock fan fixed with a small/mid PC chassis and don't want to reinstall mother board.
1. Clean dust from chassis and all fans.
2. Buying Cooler Master Vortex Plus ($20-40) depending on where you buy. It is key. It is the only CPU cooler could fit in small/mid size chassis and support 1366. most fancy cooler need 140mm+ height space and water cooling need 120mm fan. my PC chassis can't offer either. Vortex Puls also is the only light cooler with better performance than Intel stock cooler. It is with push in feature so you wont need uninstall your MB for back mounting. it is also the only low weight 1366 CPU cooler I found with lots of review online. It may be also the only light 1366 cooler you can find in your local shop (such as frys)
3. Buying the best thermal compound, I bought Artic8 diamond nano solution, its spec is 5x better than regular compound. I am not sure it is real necessary.

as most review mentioned, don't expect Vortex Puls could match large cooler performance but result for me is still impressive.
My CPU temp got 10+C lower in IDL and set 10C above ambient temp now and I don't hear fan noise any more in regular game play during the night. I guess you will easily get 35C IDL if you could copy my experience.

Hope my solution could help you!
m
0
l
May 14, 2012 11:55:12 PM

yanje03 said:
snip


Wow, thanks so much for this information yanje03! This is very useful! I sort of gathered from what other people said that while idling at 55 might seem high, it's not completely abnormal. It's reassuring to hear that directly, though.

I had not yet seen this cooler, and it's something that looks like it might be a nice solution especially since it's a pushpin design and I won't need to remove my motherboard from the case.

Thank you so much!
m
0
l
May 15, 2012 5:30:03 PM

tusker said:
Wow, thanks so much for this information yanje03! This is very useful! I sort of gathered from what other people said that while idling at 55 might seem high, it's not completely abnormal. It's reassuring to hear that directly, though.

I had not yet seen this cooler, and it's something that looks like it might be a nice solution especially since it's a pushpin design and I won't need to remove my motherboard from the case.

Thank you so much!


you are welcome, you know the solution costed me a few hours search work with different approach try and cooler return. I believe many people had the same situation would get benefit. Amazon and local frys had it for sell.
be ware that even it is a push in design, it is still little bit harder to install than stock fan. I think there is some guide in youtub. hard part for me was getting the black socket in, later I found there was only 1 way to get it in correctly on my MB but it left you two way to choice. after done once you will find the installation is actually very easy but experience is needed.
m
0
l
!