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December 28, 2011 11:44:49 AM

Hello! :hello: 
I've decided that I want to build a desktop computer. I hope to use it for internet browsing and games. I have a bit of background information from what I've learning in computer engineering (high school course).

I have a few questions:

1. How many Watts does my power supply need to be? (An approximate answer is fine)

2. Are these parts compatible? (And are they any good? I've been going by reviews so far) (I'll also be getting these at another site that has free shipping and different prices, just putting up these links because they have better info)

3. Is a 20" LED HP monitor good for $141? (Mostly, is 20" a good size?)

4. How many fans do I need? And which case is the best (will fit everything inside)...they have fans inside of them, and some come with a PSU (don't know if it's the right amount of Watts though)...do I need additional cooling/fans?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

5. Can I get wireless internet with this? Or are there other parts that I need? I'm really lost on this part... :( 

6. Also, the CD-drive thing isn't very important, right? I can just get a cheap
one like this?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


Parts I want:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Thanks for the help!!!
December 28, 2011 12:56:38 PM

Hello! Let's start answering these questions ;) 

1) Any modern system with a powerful CPU and a single powerful GPU is fine with a good quality 550-600 Watt PSU. Now there are CPUs with lower TDP and GPUs that don't need that much power but everything depends on your final choices.

2) No they are not. I personally hate Dual Core CPUs like i3 and crappy H61/H67 motherboards. From Intel's side you should look for their Quad Core CPUs which are great (i5 2400 - i5 2500) and Z68 motherboards. From AMD you can look either at AM3+ platform with 960t or FM1. For gaming everything depends on your monitor's resolution..If you don't have a Full HD monitor I would personally go with FM1 platform.

3)If you plan to buy a new monitor I suggest spending a good amount of money here..Dell Ultrasharp is simply the best!

4)Any high quality case with 2 fans (one front, one back) will be fine

5)No reason to get wireless for a PC..It won't be moved from it's location plus you won't loose signal quality by using ethernet

6)I personally prefer Samsung DVD-RW..High quality!

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December 28, 2011 1:18:28 PM

First off, we need to know your approximate budget. That'll help us determine what parts to suggest. michxymi was suggesting a $300+ monitor, which I'd assume is out of the range of a high schooler's budget.


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1. How many Watts does my power supply need to be? (An approximate answer is fine)

It really depends on what you put in your system. Sure, you can buy a 1000W PSU to be "safe" but odd are you'll never use half of that unless you're putting in dual GTX 580s or something.

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2. Are these parts compatible? (And are they any good? I've been going by reviews so far) (I'll also be getting these at another site that has free shipping and different prices, just putting up these links because they have better info)

The parts are compatible (kind of hard to build something incompatible these days), but I wouldn't even dream of suggesting them unless you're on a really tight budget (like REALLY tight).

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3. Is a 20" LED HP monitor good for $141? (Mostly, is 20" a good size?)

20" is smaller than you'd expect. I'd suggest a 23" or 24", and a few good ones should be around that price.

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4. How many fans do I need? And which case is the best (will fit everything inside)...they have fans inside of them, and some come with a PSU (don't know if it's the right amount of Watts though)...do I need additional cooling/fans?

Depends on the case you pick - some come with several fans, some come with only one or two.

There are some good cases around the $50 mark - you have the Antec 100/300 and CM 912 that are really good options.

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5. Can I get wireless internet with this? Or are there other parts that I need? I'm really lost on this part... :( 

You need a wireless card for that. You can get either a PCI or PCI-e x1 card depending on how many slots you have and which ones are available.

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6. Also, the CD-drive thing isn't very important, right? I can just get a cheap
one like this?

As long as you get one that has pretty good reviews you'll be fine.



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2) No they are not. I personally hate Dual Core CPUs like i3 and crappy H61/H67 motherboards. From Intel's side you should look for their Quad Core CPUs which are great (i5 2400 - i5 2500) and Z68 motherboards. From AMD you can look either at AM3+ platform with 960t or FM1. For gaming everything depends on your monitor's resolution..If you don't have a Full HD monitor I would personally go with FM1 platform.

While the i3 isn't the best thing you can buy, it still is a good gaming chip and performs better than most Phenom II X4s (AMD quad cores). Keep in mind the OP's in high school so we're not talking an extreme gaming budget...

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3)If you plan to buy a new monitor I suggest spending a good amount of money here..Dell Ultrasharp is simply the best!

I do like Dell's Professional Series panels (have a P2411H), but the Ultrasharps are A) quite expensive and B) not great for gaming thanks to a slow response time. I wouldn't necessarily suggest Dell for a budget build simply because their monitors tend to be on the pricey side for the monitors you'd actually want to buy (E-series and P-series - have to look under the Small Business section).

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5)No reason to get wireless for a PC..It won't be moved from it's location plus you won't loose signal quality by using ethernet

Not all of us have an ethernet jack next to our desks...or at all in some cases...
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December 28, 2011 2:02:07 PM

The i3-2100/H61 is a awesome gaming cpu combo, don't let the haters fool you. It'll beat or hang with the fastest Phenom II X4's out there.

However the i3-2120 is much faster AND cheaper right now.

A i5/i7 quad and a GT430 just doesn't make any sense, a i3 will hang with the most powerful graphics cards out there by itself.

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December 28, 2011 2:43:19 PM

I'm not a hater...I've got both platforms and I never said that AMD is better...Both companies have their good and bad products...!!
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December 28, 2011 3:01:42 PM

Wow! Thanks for the extremely quick/detailed/helpful responses. :bounce: 

boiler1990 said:


First off, we need to know your approximate budget.



I'm trying to spend under $700 after taxes (which is 13% in Canada :(  )

Do you think a 450W PSU would be enough?

I looked up the wireless cards and they seem to be about $40. Is that about right? (Canadian prices are higher)

geekapproved said:


However the i3-2120 is much faster AND cheaper right now.



I can only find it at $10 + $6 shipping more than the $129.99 i3-2100. (Not including taxes). Is it still worth it?
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December 28, 2011 5:44:57 PM

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Do you think a 450W PSU would be enough?

It depends mostly on the GPU that you choose, since almost all CPUs will draw around 100W (the i3 is a 65W chip I believe).


$40 for a wireless card?

(if you only have a b/g network)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
(if you have a b/g/n network; also 30% off)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...


If you're tight on the budget, the i3-2120 doesn't perform that much better than the 2100 to warrant an extra $15 unless you have room in the budget.


Somebody around the forums had a few good hardware sites for Canadians but I can't remember them...
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December 28, 2011 6:23:42 PM

michxymi said:
Hello! Let's start answering these questions ;) 
5)No reason to get wireless for a PC..It won't be moved from it's location plus you won't loose signal quality by using ethernet

Sometimes, the router is far away from the PC, and it is not practical to wire the home with Ethernet.

This motherboard is a better value than the Intel one:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Here is some RAM, the one you posted seems to have gone out of stock:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

For your system, any quality 350+W PSU will be fine, but if you want to upgrade to a beefier GPU in the future I would get a 450W unit. The ones in the Antec and Thermaltake case are fine, but I have heard Raidmax PSUs are kind of iffy. If you want to get a 450W PSU, I would get this one, plus any $40 case with decent reviews that you like:
www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171046

The DVD drive is fine, any $20 one will do.

This video card is the exact same GPU, but cheaper:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
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December 28, 2011 8:09:47 PM

boiler1990 said:


$40 for a wireless card?

(if you only have a b/g network)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
(if you have a b/g/n network; also 30% off)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...



Oh! Thanks. I was looking at Amazon.ca ... what's b/g? And how to I tell which one I have?

fb39ca4 said:

This video card is the exact same GPU, but cheaper:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


Thanks, but. I'm planning to get it here...but what's the difference between that card and this card?! Is it just a different brand? Which is better?
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00466IP5Q/ref=ox_sc_ac...

Also, what am I supposed to be looking for in a motherboard? They all seem very similar except for the price and ports...are certain brands better than others?
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January 7, 2012 10:59:39 AM

Darn it...video card I was looking at almost doubled in price :(  Anyone have any answers to the above questions?
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