First 500 budget build

[hantech]

This is my first build so can you tell me if anything is wrong. Also could you tell me the extra things i need to finish the build like thermal paste or zip ties and stuff like that. How well will this do converting avi and burning to dvd



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[blazorthon]

You would be better off getting a Llano CPU with integrated graphics and ditching that video card or getting a better video card, I'd say the Radeon 6570. It would be much faster than using a Radeon 6450 either way.

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Basically it's the same as your chose CPU except it doesn't need a video card to go with it and it supports multiplier overclocking. CPU+video car prices means that getting the integrated graphics solution would cost about $5 more but it has better overclocking support so it can be faster (safer than previously) just by changing a simple setting.

 

[Onus]

You do not mention any gaming, so you may find the HD3000 video of a Sandy Bridge i3-2105 sufficient, and a lot faster at video transcoding.
You should not need to buy any thermal paste. The stock cooler is sufficient for the locked i3, and it comes with paste pre-applied.

 

[blazorthon]

I agree about not needing to buy thermal paste. However, If you do intend to do any sort of gaming (besides web browser based gaming or older games) the HD 3000 graphics will choke even at minimum settings on new games, unlike the integrated graphics of Llano or the Radeon 6570 which are both several times faster for gaming than the HD 3000 IGP.

 

[Onus]

Yes, in which case it is always possible to add discrete video; if you can fit a Z68 mobo into your budget, you'll get to keep Sandy Bridge's QuickSync advantage.

 

[blazorthon]

QuickSync only improves performance with trans-coding and similar applications right? I also have to wonder if a cheap Nvidia card would challenge Intel's transcoding advantage better than AMD since Nvidia seems the better for GPGPU functionality.

 

[Onus]

Intel's QuickSync blows GPGPU out of the water: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-5.html

 

[hantech]

Thanks for the reply guys. Will the hd 3000 be powerful enough to convert the avi and run games like fifa 12? Can I upgrade to i5 or i7 on z68 and is there anything Im missing that could help me with the build. I want to avoid the situation where i have all the parts but im missing something crucial like a cable or something small like that. Thanks.

 

[Onus]

Motherboards come with at least two, and often four (or more) SATA cables for drives. The stock HSF will have pre-applied paste.
Yes, you would definitely be able to upgrade to i5 or i7 on a Z68 mobo. The HD3000 can convert the AVI's (better than any discrete GPU), and you can add a discrete GPU if the HD3000 on lowered settings cannot handle fifa12 to your liking.

Edit: You might be stretching your budget a little (Z68 mobos are not cheap like the [crippled] H61s), but an i3-2105 with a $80-$90 HD6670 (with GDDR5, not the slower GDDR3) would be a decent system. You'd be able to play many games on medium to high settings, and transcode very well.

 

[blazorthon]

HD 3000 doesn't run games as good as even a $10 video card would so don't bother trying to play any considerably recent tile on it you will be disappointed when you struggle to get even 1 frame per second.

HD 3000 does however transcode faster than any video card. This is what QuickSync is good for, it allows you to play games on a discrete video card and transcode on the HD 3000 IGP at the same time.

By the way, no Radeon 6000 series card uses GDDR3. It is either GDDR5 or DDR3. DDR3 and GDDR3 are very different technologies. For example, GDDR3 is based on DDR2, not DDR3 and it is older than DDR3.

GDDR5 is quad data rate even though double data rate is part of it's name so it is twice as fast as all of the other DDR and GDDR technologies clock for clock. It also clocks much higher than DDR3. That and the fact that DDR3 is not made with more than 128 bit interfaces on any video card I remember is why GDDR5 is faster than DDR3.

 

[Onus]

HD3000 is on the same tier as the HD5450, making it more powerful than AMD's integrated HD4250, which is capable of playing some newer games on low settings. HD2000 is the real Highly Deficient one, on par with the Mobility X1350, which struggles on Guild Wars (a six-year old game), providing only around 22-25FPS at 1368x768 on lowest settings.

 

[blazorthon]

the HD 3000 and HD 2000 are way better at transcoding then they are at playing games.

 

[hantech]

I think Im gonna go with the i3 and the 6670. Which motherboard and video card would you pick out of these or do you have better suggestions. There are many around this price.

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Also is the power supply enough? I guess I could buy a bigger one in the future. Thanks

 

[Onus]

The 380W Earthwatts is easily enough. You could run a HD6850 with it.
HIS and Sapphire each have a low-profile HD6670 that are $90. There are cheaper versions, but they use DDR3, which you don't want; stick to GDDR5. I've had only good results from HIS GPUs. Same goes for ASRock mobos, and G.Skill RAM.