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December 29, 2011 1:04:46 AM

Hello all,

I am hoping to get some help with building a new budget PC. I have built a few in the past but they have always croaked. I am sure that is because of my inexperience and the part incompatibility or the like. I am hoping that you all might be able to help me.

I am looking to build something in the $600-$700 range
I will use it for gaming (WoW, SWtOR, maybe Skyrim)
I am not a guy who needs to have a million FPS

I am not sure about SLI or over clocking simply because I feel I might break something and what I know about hardware tells me that in the budget range I am looking at I probably dont have those fancy options anyway.

I have done some looking around and have a few questions:

What is better the i5-2500k or AMDFX-4100? I am a little confused because the i5 says its a 3.3ghz and has a price of 219.99 (neweggg) and the AMD says 3.7ghz but has a price of like $119.00

Is it true that having too much ram can be a bad thing?
Is it true that a power supply that has too many watts can cause issues also?

Not knowing the answer but not wanting to come here and ask with out doing at least a little work on my own, i looked on Newegg and came up with a few things.


Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ... Item #: N82E16811147153Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant $49.99


ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard Item #: N82E16813157280Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$5.00 Instant $89.99


HIS IceQ X Turbo H679QNT1G2M Radeon HD 6790 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ... Item #: N82E16814161371Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant $25.00 Mail-in Rebate Card $139.99


Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-550 550W Continuous @ 50°C, 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V ... Item #: N82E16817182068Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant $79.99


• AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX Item #: N82E16819103996

• CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML16GX3M4A1600C9B Item #: N82E16820233198

The last two come in a bundle for $190.98

Am I on a decent path?

Any thoughts corrections or hints are greatly welcomed.

Steve
December 29, 2011 1:33:47 AM

just some ideas, dont get the AMD for a gaming build, but depending on your budget you might not want an i5 either. did you check out the article on the main home page of this site? theres an article with specs and prices for a 600$ gaming build. its pretty nice too. and it depends on how you set up the RAM, dont use 3 RAM sticks on a sandybridge (i5 2500/i7 2600/ 13 2100/ etc) but if you have the same size (GB wise) for each stick you can use 2 or 4, on some older i7's etc i think there is triple channel memory needed.

well, im not sure if too much wattage can damage because a power supply only gives as much as needed, but dont go overboard and get a 1000W PSU for a build that needs 500W, theres just no point unless you plan on upgrading eventually. but do NOT just get whatever power supply you can find cheapest, some really cheap 600W PSUs really only give out like 350W on average so get a coolermaster or antec or something like that.

and im not TOTALLY sure but i think the zambezi isnt really supposed to be good for gaming, you might want an i3 2100 or 2120, dual core but they pack a punch and you could upgrade to a 2500k later on if you want, which can still out perform any AMD in gaming. And you really shouldnt need 16GB RAM for gaming, 4, 6, or 8 should be PLENTY 16 gb is more for servers or high end editing/rendering machines usually, that and bragging rights.

You can get 4gb (2x2gb) for like 30 bucks nowadays. that PSU also should be fine, i havent heard anything bad about rosewill power supplies. also nice case but you can get a similar one that is pretty nice for like 40$. lots of features and it looks good, from rosewill. but really, check out that article, oh and i have a build for abour 650$ but it has windows xp instead of 7 (this build was designed specificly to be cheap and UPGRADABLE in the future, so some stuff might not be very good) and a 50$ video card, but it has a good 600W PSU, i3, mobo, hdd (cheap, which i like), and some other fairly good things for an i3 build, but i think you might be better off with the tomshardware build. right on the front page until tomorow so go check it out.
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December 29, 2011 1:44:01 AM

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What is better the i5-2500k or AMDFX-4100? I am a little confused because the i5 says its a 3.3ghz and has a price of 219.99 (neweggg) and the AMD says 3.7ghz but has a price of like $119.00


2500K easily. The 4100 is the low end of the AMD spectrum. And not a lot of motherboards can support FX CPUs natively yet. Most do so if you install a previous CPU and flash the BIOS to the current version, then it will support FX.

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Is it true that having too much ram can be a bad thing?


Not necessarily. It depends on what your primary use for your PC is. If it's games it won't make too much of a difference between 8 and 16, but there could be a difference between 4 and 8.

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Is it true that a power supply that has too many watts can cause issues also?


No. Having a power supply with too many watts will not hurt your system. Your system will only draw the power it needs when it needs it. What *WILL* hurt your system and potentially cause problems down the road is if you use a no-name, uncertified PSU. You want at minimum a PSU that's rated 80+ bronze or better (silver or gold would be preferable).

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Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ... Item #: N82E16811147153Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant $49.99


Decent choice - the Antec 300 or Cooler Master HAF 912 would be far better choices for the same money.

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Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-550 550W Continuous @ 50°C, 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V ... Item #: N82E16817182068Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant $79.99


Rosewill is not a trusted name among PSU makers. Corsair, Seasonic, and PC Power & Cooling are among the best in the business. This would be a far better PSU for the same money (I use the 430W version in an HTPC setup and it handles everything I need) : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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HIS IceQ X Turbo H679QNT1G2M Radeon HD 6790 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ... Item #: N82E16814161371Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant $25.00 Mail-in Rebate Card $139.99


The 6790 certainly isn't a bad choice - it's almost the same GPU as last year's 5770 just tweaked a bit. This would be a better choice and it's only $5 more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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• AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX Item #: N82E16819103996

• CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML16GX3M4A1600C9B Item #: N82E16820233198


Again I'll say don't go with the FX right now - AMD still has a lot of issues to iron out with it, before it will even begin to compete with the 2500K. If you want to stay AMD it will certainly fit your budget better, but go with the X4 or the X6, most motherboards including the one you've chosen will not be able to run FX natively out of the box yet. If you go with the X4 or X6 - those are more than capable CPUs and will have far better options for OC'ing and upgrading in the future.

And you certainly don't need 16GB of RAM. You can get 8GB and be perfectly fine. The Corsair Vengeance line is good, but if you're going to be pairing your CPU with a Hyper 212, that fan will run into those tall heat sinks. Make sure you get the low profile version.

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Am I on a decent path?


I'll say decent. :lol:  But I will say that buying a PC you're building yourself is like buying a car - no matter what your budget you're always going to find something that will be more than what you need, or better than what you've got, so it never hurts to ask questions before you buy.

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and im not TOTALLY sure but i think the zambezi isnt really supposed to be good for gaming, you might want an i3 2100 or 2120, dual core but they pack a punch and you could upgrade to a 2500k later on if you want, which can still out perform any AMD in gaming. And you really shouldnt need 16GB RAM for gaming, 4, 6, or 8 should be PLENTY 16 gb is more for servers or high end editing/rendering machines usually, that and bragging rights.


I can agree with this - the i3-2120 might be a better bet for the same money but Z68 motherboards are where you'll really see a difference in price.

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that PSU also should be fine, i havent heard anything bad about rosewill power supplies.


No - they are not good PSUs. The Corsair, Seasonic, anything else will be far better. I had an Ultra PSU that nearly fried my system before I swapped it with a Corsair, now it's been problem free ever since.
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December 29, 2011 1:48:18 AM

If it's just gaming you are after, I would go with the intel line of CPUs (Personally, I went with the i5-2400). I would also checkout the i3-2120/i3-2100(~same price as the FX-4100).

8 GB RAM seems to be the current sweet spot for gaming. You really only need more if you are doing other things than gaming. But I don't see any problems with having more, just that it unneeded.

For the graphics cards, the 6870 and 6850 are of a similar price range and have better benchmarks.
http://videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Only issues with having too much wattage on a power supply is just being over priced(that I know of). If you plan on OCing/SLIing/Xfiring in the future, then a higher wattage PSU is needed. Yours seems to be good, but I don't know much about them.

Keep in mind I'm just regurgitating a number of things read on this forum.

EDIT: seems I have been beaten in my replies. Pretty much what the top two posters said.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Here's one PSU I've had recommended to me (which I ended up getting).
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December 29, 2011 4:55:49 PM

andrewcarr said:
If I was in your position and didn't plan on going CF/ SLI I would pick up this PSU its a great price after the rebate and the brand is a better one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you do plan on going CF/ SLI then I would get this PSU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I wouldn't trust either of those - if you're not going to SLI then this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you're going to SLI then this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 29, 2011 5:17:49 PM

The one you listed for SLI won't work it only has two PCI-E connectors when you need 4 to SLI/CF. Second OCZ is a good brand to buy from, and should be trusted.
A corsair that would work for SLI/CF would be this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Although if it were my money I would still get the OCZ that works for SLI http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Non SLI/CF you can also look at these, all good brands http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
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December 31, 2011 1:16:36 AM

Ok so trying to go away from an AMD build and maybe throwing an extra $100 into the mix how does this look?


ASUS EAH6770 DC/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 6770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card Item #: N82E16814121468Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy


• Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ... Item #: N82E16819115072


• Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Item #: N82E16822148697


• MSI P67A-C43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813130571


• Antec EarthWatts EA-650 GREEN 650W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply Item #: N82E16817371044


• Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ... Item #: N82E16811147153


• G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-4GBXM Item #: N82E16820231443


• BYTECC 6 ft. 18AWG Power Cord w/ 3 Conductor PC Power Connector – Black Model POWERCORD-6K Item #: N82E16812270406


All comes out to about $687

What do you all think?

Thanks
Steve

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December 31, 2011 1:56:36 AM

Sorry to post so quickly but how is this for a i3 build?

You guys are all awesome by the way.



Rosewill DESTROYER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 120mm ... Item #: N82E16811147144


Recertified: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD7500AALX-FR 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Item

ASUS EAH6770 DC/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 6770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video CardItem #: N82E16814121468


COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS500-PCARD3-US 500W ATX12V v2.3 Power Supply Item #: N82E16817171031


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL Item #: N82E16820231311


ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813131724


Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32120 Item #: N82E16819115077


OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Item #: N82E16820227725


Thanks Again
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December 31, 2011 2:25:48 AM

If I were you I'd rather get the i5 build for best performance now. But if you get the i3 consider upgrading the CPU when the new intel Ivy bridge comes out. Either option is good.
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December 31, 2011 9:20:59 PM

quarklingg said:
Sorry to post so quickly but how is this for a i3 build?

You guys are all awesome by the way.



Rosewill DESTROYER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 120mm ... Item #: N82E16811147144


Recertified: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD7500AALX-FR 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Item

ASUS EAH6770 DC/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 6770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video CardItem #: N82E16814121468


COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS500-PCARD3-US 500W ATX12V v2.3 Power Supply Item #: N82E16817171031


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL Item #: N82E16820231311


ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813131724


Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32120 Item #: N82E16819115077


OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Item #: N82E16820227725


Thanks Again


Definitely stick with the i5 - and do *NOT* - repeat - DO *NOT* get a recertified hard drive. Just like parts for cars, I would never trust anything that's been returned because you don't what it's been returned for. And you won't be able to get an RMA for it if something goes wrong.
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January 1, 2012 12:47:57 AM

^ unless its from tigerdirect, got a refurb laptop and it was brand new condition, then again thats a whole computer, idk about recertified hard drives...
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January 1, 2012 1:45:37 AM

just get amd, no point in getting intel if ur on a tight budget honestly.
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January 1, 2012 3:22:37 PM

intels 13 is same price as phenomII x4, but performs better in gaming than a phenomII x6, how exactly is amd better deal? unless ur building a 400$ gaming comp and even then you are better off wit a 80$ pentium g860 than with any 80$ amd equivilant...
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January 2, 2012 3:17:31 AM

mildgamer001 said:
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intels 13 is same price as phenomII x4, but performs better in gaming than a phenomII x6, how exactly is amd better deal? unless ur building a 400$ gaming comp and even then you are better off wit a 80$ pentium g860 than with any 80$ amd equivilant...
ess its from tigerdirect, got a refurb laptop and it was brand new condition, then again thats a whole computer, idk about recertified hard drives...


Well laptops I can understand - it's the individual components I wouldn't recommend buying recertified - you don't know what they've been returned for, or what the reconditioning process is.

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just get amd, no point in getting intel if ur on a tight budget honestly.


It is true that if you're getting a quad core AMD that would be a better fit for a tight budget. But the Intel i3-2120 is an incredibly good CPU for the money - sure it's a dual core but it will run circles around the next closest competitors.
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January 2, 2012 9:34:13 AM

the 2120 is the 2100 but with higher stock clock. tests on the 2100 show that in gaming, it performs better than a hexacore phenom II, and it is the price of a quad core phenom II, so it really isnt helping you budget at all, unless you consider the price of certain socket motherboards, z68s are much more expencive than AM3s, but then again, lots of upgrade paths when you get more money for it too.
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January 2, 2012 10:41:23 AM

Problem with that logic is that a hexacore phenom ll performs worse in games than the quad core phenom ll. If you did go with AMD you get the 955 and overclock it to 3.6-3.8GHz. Then the AMD should beat the i3.
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January 2, 2012 4:41:12 PM

mildgamer001 said:
the 2120 is the 2100 but with higher stock clock. tests on the 2100 show that in gaming, it performs better than a hexacore phenom II, and it is the price of a quad core phenom II, so it really isnt helping you budget at all, unless you consider the price of certain socket motherboards, z68s are much more expencive than AM3s, but then again, lots of upgrade paths when you get more money for it too.


That's the exact reason I chose it - the Z68 and P67 motherboards have tons of upgrade options for future hardware like Ivy Bridge, PCI-E 3.0, 3TB hard drive support, and so on.

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Problem with that logic is that a hexacore phenom ll performs worse in games than the quad core phenom ll. If you did go with AMD you get the 955 and overclock it to 3.6-3.8GHz. Then the AMD should beat the i3.


See I only encourage overclocking if the buyer has the money to replace something if it goes wrong. On such a tight budget I'm guessing not.
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