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October 31, 2011 10:12:45 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 1-2 weeks

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming high def (bf3)

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: Coolermaster 650W

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: 8Gb ram, z68-ud3 mobo

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: www.arc.com.au

PARTS PREFERENCES: Don't care.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe in the future.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920 x 1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Currently have 6950, trading in due to recent failure, getting a refund. So i'll have around $300 cash and i'm willing to add an extra 50-60 to that.

More about : 6950 570

October 31, 2011 11:05:41 AM

i say get another HD 6950 and crossfire it and save your money ..
or get an HD 6970 and crossfire it with your 6950 .. that will give you more power ..
but sure you will need to upgrade your power supply and have a crossfire motherboard
but . . if you like to keep your 6950 and want to get a card with $350 .. a gtx 570 will be best.
but you will not notice a big different in gaming .. you currently card will play BF3 at all high settings with AA4
but the gtx 570 will maxout the game .. all ultra !! ;) 
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October 31, 2011 11:23:01 AM

570 can do ultra on 1680x1050 very well
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October 31, 2011 11:23:30 AM

hameem 1 said:
i say get another HD 6950 and crossfire it and save your money


How would he be saving money buying two 6950s for crossfire :sarcastic: . Hes getting a refund on his current 6950 due to failure.

hameem 1 said:
or get an HD 6970 and crossfire it with your 6950 .. that will give you more power


Don't take any notice of this idiot. You can not crossfire two different graphics cards. Why do people attempt to give advise when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

hameem 1 said:
if you like to keep your 6950 and want to get a card with $350


His current card is broken....


I would recomend the GTX 570. Also which Coolermaster 650W PSU do you have?
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October 31, 2011 11:32:45 AM

@ gothems finest, whatever happens don't insult anyone.
and he's right about Crossfiring HD 6970 with HD 6950, you always can crossfire 2 different cards from the same series.
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October 31, 2011 11:33:32 AM

shahrooz said:
570 can do ultra on 1680x1050 very well

He's gaming @ 1080P
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October 31, 2011 11:39:13 AM

@ OP, GTX 570 will do the job, Also you might consider the HD 6970 it's a little bit faster than GTX 570, but it all depends on the game.
Also you might wanna wait for the upgraded GTX 560Ti, it will have the same performance as GTX 570
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-graphics-chip-g...

Or better wait for the new AMD HD 7K series in December, they are said to be released @ Dec 6
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October 31, 2011 1:31:51 PM

aim to the gtx570 better than 6950

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/293?vs=306

gtx570: in bf3 maxed out all on ultra even set x4AA/x4AF your game wil be running smoother with high frame rates.

hd6950: in bf3 maxed out all on ultra also set x4AAx4AF your game will be laggy while in heavy battle or looking to the farer distance.
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October 31, 2011 1:54:17 PM

@ Pro gamer, HD 6950/70 GTX 570/60TI all maxed out the game, 40 FPS on Ultra with HD 6950 is playable and the game runs smoother without any lag as you said.
Even with my 4.0 GHz OC and my HD 6950 OC, i achieve higher FPS reaching 58 FPS.
16X AF max, 4X MSAA, what are you saying?

HD 6970> GTX 570, but nVidia cards tend to work better with some specific games.
To illustrate more, mostly in "The way it's meant to be played" logo games.
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October 31, 2011 2:06:34 PM

ilysaml said:
HD 6970> GTX 570, but nVidia cards tend to work better with some specific games.
To illustrate more, mostly in "The way it's meant to be played" logo games.


You are very misinformed pal. Judging by your avatar and the "Future is Fusion" below it I'm guessing your an AMD fanboy, so that explains it.

The 6970 is not better then the 570





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October 31, 2011 2:08:45 PM

yes i know @ ilysaml but there is too many complaint from amd video card's especially in bf3 so thats why i suggest him to go with gtx 570.
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October 31, 2011 2:17:05 PM

nice! now @ ilysaml look at the benchmarking see its clearly show with maxed gtx570 gaining 49.25 where as hd 6950 got 39.33 hah! and you are saying that i am running at x16AF and x4MSAA even with your 1055t and you getting 58fps how strange!
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October 31, 2011 2:22:28 PM

that's what i told you hd 6950 can maxed out bf3 but in some heavy battle fps dip to 20 or 28fps where gtx 570 stay with high fps even in heavy battle.now the @ OP can guess that which one is better i vote for gtx570.
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October 31, 2011 3:06:37 PM

If you read the article that was posted last week you will see that actually the Radeon cards outperform the GeForce cards except for when MFAA is turned on because DICE worked with Nvidia to develop that style of Antialiasing.

That being said, the 570 is a step above the 6950 on Toms chart, here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-... in an article from last month. If you go with a 6970, that card is equivalent to the 570.

Personally, I have a 6950 and I run ultra settings with MFAA turned off and run between 45 and 60 FPS (60 is what I have Fraps limited to) and im very happy with that.
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October 31, 2011 3:14:05 PM

hmm i got the point you have same gpu 6950 on ultra but MFAA is off and look at the point of @ ilysaml he said i set x16AF & x4AA and getting 58fps hahaha! lie :o 
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October 31, 2011 3:26:49 PM

I am not sure about that, ilysaml did say he had his card OC'd, which I dont. Im running mine at the standard 800/1250 factory settings. I did try turning on the MFAA just to see and it felt like my GPU got a punch in the stomach, so I turned it back off. I didnt see much difference between the two anyways, so im not worried about it.

Honestly, im have absolutely no issues as far as FPS goes...the only thing that ever bugs me is server lag and it seems like it is only on a few select maps (Tehran Highway is the worst.)
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October 31, 2011 3:41:49 PM

@ gothems finest,
That's normal for me to hear that from a guy that said
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You can not crossfire two different graphics cards.

meaning the HD 6950/70
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Why do people attempt to give advise when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I agree with you in that, because i'm embarrassed that you're here giving such advises.

GTX 570 and HD 6970 perform neck to neck, Again "Depending On The Game"
Some games run better on AMD cards such as Dirt 2/3, Deus Ex HR, Shou Gun 2, Aliens VS Predators
Some games perform better on nVidia cards such as Crysis 2, Metro 2033, Far Cry 2,....
If you noticed and have experience, the games i listed for the AMD side some of them has the logo "AMD GAMING EVOLVED" and the other have been in conferences and reviews by AMD itself.

The games i listed for nVidia side have"THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE PLAYED" thus explains how they perform with nVidia cards.
I don't care who bribes who i care only about the overall performance.
Giving a glance on the performance of HD 6970 in higher resolutions


The GTX 570 lags and cracks in higher resolution Due to VRAM issues, and this will be an issue with VRAM hungry games and high resolutions.

I'm a fan of AMD in person, i give her my recommendations to the better no bias at all, and even i recommended the GTX 570 in the first place.
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October 31, 2011 4:10:47 PM

hah! because 6970 has 2gb vram and gtx 570 has only 1.2gb think how gtx 570 can beat 6970 in mostly games
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October 31, 2011 4:11:34 PM

@ pro gamer, for your above 4 posts after me, your level of experience and knowledge prevents me from replying you.
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October 31, 2011 4:15:38 PM

@ dalmvern,
1055T @ 4.0 GHz, Core clock @ 915, Memory clock @ 1375 i said reaching 58 FPS, i'm not getting a constant 58 FPS.
ranging between 43-58 FPS, it differs from location to another (different shadows, effects and bla bla ) and yes with everything at max (4X MSAA, 16X AF)
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October 31, 2011 4:19:48 PM

dalmvern said:
That being said, the 570 is a step above the 6950 on Toms chart, here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-... in an article from last month. If you go with a 6970, that card is equivalent to the 570.

Same story as the GTX 560Ti and HD 6950, both performing similar to each other depending on the game but the HD 6950 is 5% faster than GTX 560Ti.
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October 31, 2011 4:20:27 PM

actually i'm taking about gtx570 VS hd6950 not 6970.
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October 31, 2011 4:46:56 PM

ilysaml said:
@ dalmvern,
1055T @ 4.0 GHz, Core clock @ 915, Memory clock @ 1375 i said reaching 58 FPS, i'm not getting a constant 58 FPS.
ranging between 43-58 FPS, it differs from location to another (different shadows, effects and bla bla ) and yes with everything at max (4X MSAA, 16X AF)



Yeah, as I said above, im running factory clocks at around those FPS but when I used 4xMSAA it dropped me a good 10-15 FPS, but with it overclocked like yours im sure it makes those up.


pro-gamer said:
actually i'm taking about gtx570 VS hd6950 not 6970.


I understand that you were talking about the 6950, but I was saying you arent comparing similar cards. Comparing a 570 to a 6950 is like comparing at 560Ti to a 6970...the 6970 is clearly the better card in that case just as the 570 is clearly the better card versus a 6950.



The reason I like the Radeon cards better is because of the higher VRAM...when games start coming out that require more than 1.5 GB of VRAM those GeForce cards will get bogged down. I like the future proofing. In another year or so a 570 SLI build will be blown out of the water by a 6950 Crossfire build simply for the fact that the 6950s will still have 2 GB of VRAM and games will probably require more than the 1.2 GB the 570 has to offer.

Granted, if you are going to buy a new card each time a new series comes out, then that wont matter, but I like getting my money's worth for my cards.
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October 31, 2011 4:57:37 PM

So I guess to get back on topic, in response to the OP, I would suggest getting a 6970 with the bit of extra cash you are willing to throw at it to give your build a little bit of future proofing, of course unless you plan on upgrading the card whenever Nvidia comes out with their new series of cards.
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October 31, 2011 5:09:15 PM

yes my friend @ dalmvern amd card's has more vram but these vram won't gives you higher fps with every game AA/AF on then what benefit we get from amd the main thing is aa/af and games view look better with these setting on.that's why nvidia is better at all.
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October 31, 2011 5:14:17 PM

going back and forth about the 6970 being faster than the 570 and all isnt helping really guys. they trade blows with each other depending on the game. if you are gaming or plan to game on a monitor resolution higher than 1920x1080 or on multiple monitors hit up the 6970 2gb.
if you are on a single monitor 1920x1080 or less, then it should be about price point for you, as they both perform neck and neck in most cases, some games preferring either card.
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October 31, 2011 5:18:35 PM

+1 That's what i was always trying to say "depending on the game"
Next time don't come too late, FlintIronStagg
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October 31, 2011 5:21:18 PM

LOL, sorry didnt realize i was needed :) 
The main thing when i recommend cards if someone doesnt have a brand preference, then i always go with what fits their gaming needs most. I recommend alot of radeon cards as well as nvidia to always fit their current situation. If OP has either of the above, then he can make the decision now based on the info he was given, and be happy while gaming with no fps drops
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October 31, 2011 5:28:19 PM

i agree with you @ FlintIronStagg yes radeon are the best brand even but the only thing would makes me worried that AA/AF when set to medium and the game getting laggy especially in "bf3"...otherwise i love both brand amd and nvidia.but may be amd can fix it soon!!!
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October 31, 2011 5:30:25 PM

seeing the OP, i would say that he needs the 570. a 6950 isnt as fast, and the 2gb would be a waste at his resolution. go with the 570, you will be glad you did.
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October 31, 2011 5:31:12 PM

pro-gamer said:
i agree with you @ FlintIronStagg yes radeon are the best brand even but the only thing would makes me worried that AA/AF when set to medium and the game getting laggy especially in "bf3"...otherwise i love both brand amd and nvidia.but may be amd can fix it soon!!!

AA is the killer there. the more edges, means more pixel displacement, and more gpu power is used.
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October 31, 2011 5:35:26 PM

finally you people decide 570 for the op, that's what iam trying to say....:) 
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October 31, 2011 5:36:48 PM

on a single monitor thats my sweet spot.
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October 31, 2011 5:37:40 PM

and my posts started all of 23 minutes ago so i think that would be a quick turn around
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October 31, 2011 5:39:11 PM

FlintIronStagg said:
AA is the killer there. the more edges, means more pixel displacement, and more gpu power is used.

not really sure but my friend have gtx570 and 2500k he can maxed out bf3 and set x4AA/X6AF and he getting 37 lower 46 avg 53max
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October 31, 2011 5:41:27 PM

oh, im not referring to BF3 in particular, but AA as a whole is a real fps killer. going to 4x or 8x you will see a significant drop on any card
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October 31, 2011 5:44:54 PM

FlintIronStagg said:
seeing the OP, i would say that he needs the 570. a 6950 isnt as fast, and the 2gb would be a waste at his resolution. go with the 570, you will be glad you did.


Fair enough, I run with two monitors and multiple applications running aside from the game so the 6950 was a better fit for me.

My recommendation of the 6970 is more for having a GPU that will play future top end games at higher settings.
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October 31, 2011 5:47:57 PM

^^
the 6970 and the 570 are about equal; they perform very close to each other in many games and each win from time to time over the other. the extra ram wouldnt really help with higher settings unless you were into huge resolutions or your situation with the multiple monitors
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October 31, 2011 5:49:21 PM

dalmvern said:
Fair enough, I run with two monitors and multiple applications running aside from the game so the 6950 was a better fit for me.

My recommendation of the 6970 is more for having a GPU that will play future top end games at higher settings.

my friend are you pakistani?
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October 31, 2011 5:53:16 PM

pro-gamer said:
my friend are you pakistani?


No, American...and ethnically Lebanese.
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October 31, 2011 5:55:13 PM

pro-gamer might be, he called you "my friend"
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October 31, 2011 5:57:03 PM

Much better than some of the things I have been called... :na: 
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October 31, 2011 6:00:42 PM

dalmvern said:
No, American...and ethnically Lebanese.

i like your picture so nice!
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October 31, 2011 6:17:13 PM

Thanks, just a plain ol' picture of me driving, lol.
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October 31, 2011 6:21:22 PM

hmmm, which car do you have?
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October 31, 2011 6:22:47 PM

you 2 gonna make out or is OP going to solve this thread?
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October 31, 2011 6:26:47 PM

oh i am sorry..
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October 31, 2011 6:28:04 PM

its ok, we are just straying so far off topic im suprised mrmousemonkeyman hasnt busted in here and closed it
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October 31, 2011 6:31:55 PM

hahahahaha funny your last line....:) 
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