Fusion or FX?

[TheinsanegamerN]

Hi!
i am building a new budget gaming pc, and was debating between the FX-4170 or A8-3870k. Which would perform better in the long run? The bulldozer can clock much higher, but the fusion Matx mobo is much nicer than the fx Matx board.

Oh, I dont want to hear anything about intel, thanks

 

[geekapproved]

Well a simple i3-2100 would destroy both cpu performance wise and use a lot less power, but you don't want to hear about that.

The A8 would be the best and has integrated graphics.

 

[13thmonkey]

how about researching amd's performance if you are so in love with them. If I were dead set on AMD then I know what i'd do

 

[melikepie]

Hi!
i am building a new budget gaming pc, and was debating between the FX-4170 or A8-3870k. Which would perform better in the long run? The bulldozer can clock much higher, but the fusion Matx mobo is much nicer than the fx Matx board.

Oh, I dont want to hear anything about intel, thanks

it depends what your going to do but the apu still is great although you should get the FX 4100 beacause the 4100 and the 4170 are the same thing exept the 4170 is pre overclocked but that depends if you can overclock by yourself without destroying anything lol. I say you should get the 4100 + 6670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150540 6670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996 4100
although people say the i3 2100 is better then the FX 4100 or FX 4170 but thats mainly beacause they use 3d benchmarking tests which use floating point operations (basicly vectors like 30.20.85) for rendering which on bulldozer it acts like a 2 core but still i say 4100 + 6670 but if your only picking those i say for best price for a gaming pc the A8 or 20%-30% better cpu the 4170.

 

[Brett928S2]

Hi

If you can find one...buy an AMD 6 core 1100T ...which incidentally will "destroy" any i3...

All the best Brett

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Hmm. Wish i could get 1100t, but they are out of stock everywhere. the gpu will be an amd hd 7850, so i'm only concerned about cpu performance. would the fx outperform the APU? and I agree about getting the 4100 instead of the 4170, but they have no good micro atx boards for amd fx...

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

how about researching amd's performance if you are so in love with them. If I were dead set on AMD then I know what i'd do

If you are not going to be helpful, kindly go away. I did look up benchmarks, and the 4170 can keep up with the 2500k, usually the gpu is the botleneck. nobody seems to have benchmarks of just cpu performance with APU's, always with integrated graphics.
also, im not in love with amd all my past machines were intel, (pentium mmx @233 MHz, 1.4 GHz tualatin pentium 3, 3.0 GHz northwood, 2.2 GHz core 2 duo, Pentum G850)

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

how would a phenom 2 980 hold up?

 

[bowzef]

AMD FX is just a flop so is AMD APU CPU's why are you soo up and bent over AMD? whats wrong with Intel? but FX and APU are same in performance so just get w.e is cheaper and what you prefer

i think FX get better motherboards

 

[Anonymous_26]

AMD FX is just a flop so is AMD APU CPU's why are you soo up and bent over AMD? whats wrong with Intel? but FX and APU are same in performance so just get w.e is cheaper and what you prefer

i think FX get better motherboards

Because it's called fanboyism. Out of those two I would say get the Fusion but really both lack in performance. I agree with geek I would forget both and get a cheap Z68 board and an I3.

 

[noob2222]

how would a phenom 2 980 hold up?

If you can get one, its the better of the cpus talked about, its a true quad core compared to the 4100 being mostly a quad. It also has l3 cache that the 3870 doesn't wich helps a ton for games.

 

[Anonymous_26]

If you could find a 980 it would be better than both the Bulldozer and Fusion.

 

[Raidur]

i3 simply due to power usage and you'll actually have an upgrade path worth something on that socket...

 

[tcfraz]

why not an 8120 and overclock it?

 

[Raidur]

why not an 8120 and overclock it?

Because that is a horrible investment for gaming.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Because that is a horrible investment for gaming.

actually, the 8120 can keep up with core i5, as most games are gpu bound. those that are cpu bound can usually use more than 4 cores. i dont want to use the 8120 series, as at that price point, i could just get a core i5 2500k for another 20 bucks. and, Raidur, didn't you read the original post? NOTHING about intel. also, bulldozer's replacement will continue to use socket AM3+, so it DOES have an upgrade path.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

AMD FX is just a flop so is AMD APU CPU's why are you soo up and bent over AMD? whats wrong with Intel? but FX and APU are same in performance so just get w.e is cheaper and what you prefer

i think FX get better motherboards

i don't want Intel because all the cpus are locked, except the most expensive models. I like to tweak my machine, and a locked CPU just doesn't do it.
and you're right. FX does get better motherboards. In standard ATX. they technically don't even have any micro boards, the're just am3 boards that have bios updates. all of them are 760 or 880g chip-sets, no 900 series.

 

[Anonymous_26]

Anything with a "k" in the name is an unlocked processors. For Sandy Bridges that would be the I5 2500k and I7 26000K. The I5 isn't the most expensive it's right in the middle and gives you the best price to performance. FX has better motherboards, I would love to hear how.

 

[wrazor]

Just get the Phenom II X4 965 & call it a day. Costs 125$, is as good or better than i3 when OC to around 3.8Ghz.

 

[Anonymous_26]

Thats great but the question is still can he get his hands on one. AMD has canceled making Phenom II and Athelon II's and it's getting harder and harder to find Phenom II's in stock. We have to hear back from him if he can even get a Phenom II where he lives.

 

[de5_Roy]

Hi!
i am building a new budget gaming pc, and was debating between the FX-4170 or A8-3870k. Which would perform better in the long run? The bulldozer can clock much higher, but the fusion Matx mobo is much nicer than the fx Matx board.

Oh, I dont want to hear anything about intel, thanks

okay, nothing about intel, got it. your decision anyway.
for amd: llano right now, is a dead end platform. there have been many rumors/semi-confirmations that upcoming trinity 32nm apus will use socket fm2 which is incompatible with socket fm1 (llano). if you want a cheapo cpu with discreet class igpu, you should wait and see how trinity turns out. some people even theorized that amd will keep socket am3+ in the backseat and move forward with socket fm2.
am3+ will still have support as amd is rumored to support it for the forseeable future (may be until ddr4 ram comes out).
if you're gonna build an amd gaming machine, i'd suggest an fx 6200. threaded games like bf3 mp can take advantage of more cores when needed. windows 8 might improve performance. but i would not team it up with a 7850. at most, a 7770 or older 6850/gtx 460.
imo amd's shot at gaming cpu will come with upcoming piledriver cpus. current ones are no good. even amd themselves have moved on to competing in the mobile sector with their capable apus.

 

[Raidur]

actually, the 8120 can keep up with core i5, as most games are gpu bound. those that are cpu bound can usually use more than 4 cores. i dont want to use the 8120 series, as at that price point, i could just get a core i5 2500k for another 20 bucks. and, Raidur, didn't you read the original post? NOTHING about intel. also, bulldozer's replacement will continue to use socket AM3+, so it DOES have an upgrade path.

You haven't seen benchmarks using high-end multiple GPUs then.

Yeah I see now. Just saw people talking about the i3 so I guess I read wrong...

 

[13thmonkey]

If you are not going to be helpful, kindly go away. I did look up benchmarks, and the 4170 can keep up with the 2500k, usually the gpu is the botleneck. nobody seems to have benchmarks of just cpu performance with APU's, always with integrated graphics.
also, im not in love with amd all my past machines were intel, (pentium mmx @233 MHz, 1.4 GHz tualatin pentium 3, 3.0 GHz northwood, 2.2 GHz core 2 duo, Pentum G850)

try doing the research comparing say for instance phenom II to FX, the apu's are well out of the ball park. You'll find that PhenomII is better. There you go, being helpful.

Your basis for choosing against intel is wrong, K's are unlocked and OC easily, unless you want a challenging OC in which case get an cryix133 and Oc it to 266. Now if you already have an Fx capable mobo, then thats a real reason for excluding intel.

 

[Uther39]

Definitely het a Phenom II if you can find one say a 965 or alternatively the 960T which seems to be readily available, this is AMDs best bang for buck at the moment, i have one myself unlocked to 6 cores and OCd to 4ghz, and if its micro atx you want do not overlook the asus 880 evo boards again i have one which has enabled that amazing unlock and OC, by the way which country do you live in as that will enable us to help you find the hardware.

 

[whatsthatnoise]

Don't go Fusion, it's no future proof/upgradable socket. To less CPUs to choose from. And you probably won't even use the integrated GPU.

FX offers quite a few more options and new AMD CPUs will still use the socket, so if they happen to improve their architecture at some point, they probably still use that socket.

I'd get an Phenom II 965+. There's a 980 on newegg for 150bucks. It's a steal for that money.