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November 1, 2011 5:35:02 PM

Alright so I'm in a bit of a pickle here, i can either buy a EVGA GTX 570 (350$) or a HD 5970 from ATi for the same price but slightly used, from what i can see in the benchmarks the 5970 outperforms the 570 in most benchmarks even the 580 (sometimes) now i know that the 5970 is over 2 years old and the 570 is still fresh form last year.

I plan to play BF3 @ 1920x1080p High/Ultra and most high end games (crysis 2, Metro 2033, Skyrim)

what are your suggestions?

Computer:
Processor: AMD 965 @ 3.8 ghzx4
RAM: 4 GIGS @ 1600 MHZ DD3
PSU: 750 Watts

More about : gtx 570 5970

a c 212 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 5:55:42 PM

I'd suggest twin 560 Ti's for just $80 more ..... In Guru3D's game test suite .....

$ 430.00 Two 560 Ti (900 Mhz) in SLI - 862 fps @ $ 0.50 per frame
$ 350.00 570 - 524 fps @ $ 0.67 per frame

40% more frames at 23% more cost

November 1, 2011 6:01:30 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
I'd suggest twin 560 Ti's for just $80 more ..... In Guru3D's game test suite .....

$ 430.00 Two 560 Ti (900 Mhz) in SLI - 862 fps @ $ 0.50 per frame
$ 350.00 570 - 524 fps @ $ 0.67 per frame

40% more frames at 23% more cost



Thanks for that well constructed and very helpful response, but unfortunately i cannot do any Crossfire or SLI , i should have added that in the OP sorry :( 
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November 1, 2011 6:13:22 PM

Considering the games you want to play i would say get the 570. I am not a fanboy as I currently use 2 5850s in crossfire.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 6:41:53 PM

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GTX 570, my opinion..


+1
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 7:06:27 PM

Well As long as the HD 5970 is only compared with GTX 580, you can't put it in comparison with GTX 570.
HD 5970 > GTX 570. Argument is done here.
Regarding the 2 GTX 560 TI in SLI, yes they perform pretty good but you might also consider HD 6950s in CF, AMD HD 6K series scales better than nVidia GTX 5K series.
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 7:56:06 PM

And I'm still recommending the best no matter what you prefer ;) 
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:08:57 PM

@ mal, that wouldn't deny the fact that
1- HD 5970 is better than GTX 570
2- HD 5970 is doing better than GTX 570 in demanding games...Metro 2033/Crysis2
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:12:16 PM

@ 384 bit, that depends on your definition of CPU bottleneck.
In most cases, a CPU bottleneck occurs in case of the CPU is not handling the game or you have excess of GPU power.
If i7 2600K is achieving higher FPS than 955BE...this is another thing to discuss.

taking mal recommendation "more FPS doesn't mean the best card" i agree with this 100% unless OP has a 3D monitor :) 
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:14:43 PM

A bottleneck will limit the amount a card can do, not lower it.

get the HD 5970, your processor will hardly bottleneck it at 3.8Ghz, and if you ever want to upgrade to Eyefinity you will have the GPU and CPU power to do so.

Also, which 750W PSU do you have exactly?

November 1, 2011 8:14:44 PM

the 5970 is used...Its way better but its not new...570 IMHO
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:16:31 PM

A single GTX 480?

You must have been doing something wrong.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:21:15 PM

More likely you had a defective chip than a bottleneck, your in a very low percentage of people where a Phenom II 955 @4Ghz blocks any single card, let alone dual card.

@ OP : Here's some benches http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/297?vs=306

The HD 5970 only draws ~20 more watts, but shoots out massive performance increases in demanding games at high resolutions.

EDIT : If a new processor gets you an %100 increase, it's obvious something was wrong with the Phenom.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:21:44 PM

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It will bottleneck it.....
My 480 was bottlenecked by a 4.0ghz 955.....
Proof is in another thread.

it won't bottleneck with a 5970. Your basing it all on GTA Iv. Which nvidia cards had a problem with period
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:25:53 PM

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Black ops is not GTA IV pal :pt1cable:  :whistle: 

so your basing that all on one game which needs about 10 patches to run smoothly? We all know Black ops is a A bad port.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:26:58 PM

Anyway, in that one game that somehow got you a %100 increase, and you are in the 3 people who have done this and proved it.

What has this got to do with what GPU OP needs to buy, CPU bottleneck isn't a reason, what if he wants to upgrade his CPU later on, he'll be wishing he kept the HD 5970.
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:35:25 PM

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Bottleneck...... :hello: 
Test systems with a 5970 are overclocked core i7's or higher.

Let me tell you that a 980 BE is doing better than the I7 in the test suites.
And as i told you achieving higher FPS ccan be gained from several ways, an i7 CPU with HD 5970 achieving 100 FPS and X6 with 5970 achieving 90 FPS can't be included under the term "Bottleneck" at all.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:35:57 PM

@ Mal. He has neither.

@ 384-Bit. It is at DX11 very high Quality.
I still stand by my recommendation of the HD 5970.
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:39:13 PM

I agree with you that AMD CPUs is doing worse than Intel in CF/SLI but you can't say the a 955 BE will bottleneck HD 5970 because you had a bad experience with a CF setup.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:41:06 PM

That wasn't your point.
Your point was the "Bottleneck".

Your starting to pull arguments out of air.

EDIT : The post I made was about 384-Bit btw...
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:41:34 PM

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So you rolled back your original opinion.... :pt1cable: 


He does that a lot mate.
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:42:24 PM

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and the current cost of the HD 5970 is still outrageous...
does not warrant the purchase if you can't get it for less than half original retail price..

It's a used card, and talking about prices is out of track.
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:43:59 PM

@ gothems finest, believe me your level of knowledge and experience prevents me from replying you.

And the reason i didn't answer him is that i'm doing other business than keeping an eye on the thread.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:44:59 PM

Quote:
My last OT post.
5970 is a dual gpu card yes.
The game i tested with my 480 was black ops which was awful with the amd cpu.
So if my findings were bad with a high calibre single gpu, what is a 5970 going to do?
This was my point but i gather you missed it.



It's a single, console ported, horribly buggy game that had to get multiple performance patches.
I thought about it, but deemed it unworthy as it hardly made sense to use this as a basis for your point.
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:46:11 PM

@ 384 Bit,
Should we all say, OK SIR ?
For you it's a best purchase for others it's not
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:46:41 PM

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Final conclusion.
The 570 is the best purchase in any sane wallet and mind.

+1
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:47:09 PM

"In any sane wallet".
They are the same price.

Also, no, this is a debate, not an argument, I'm using facts, your using opinion.
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:47:24 PM

That's what happens when 384 Bit enters a thread :)  :)  No offensive at all bro :) 
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:48:13 PM

ilysaml said:
@ gothems finest, believe me my lack of knowledge and experience prevents me from replying you.


Fixed that post for you.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:49:14 PM

Quote:
Final conclusion.
The 570 is the best purchase in any sane wallet and mind.


gnomio said:
+1


+2

a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:50:05 PM

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And your point is?


Let it go mate, your arguing with an idiot.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:50:23 PM

yummerzzz said:
"In any sane wallet".
They are the same price.

Also, no, this is a debate, not an argument, I'm using facts, your using opinion.

never buy a 2nd hand gpu. One of the most important things to look at buying a gpu is the warranty. What do you think is the warranty on a used gpu?
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:51:02 PM

Quote:
And your point is?

MY point is not to write 1 or 2 lines "meaningless" and press post
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:51:14 PM

OP listed his prices already, the HD 5970 is $350 as is the GTX 570.

All these points have already been said by others such as Malmental before in the thread, his were at least has reasonable and understandable points, but yours change every other post.

a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:53:32 PM

Quote:
:pfff:  - I'm done.

Me too, I've stated why i think OP should get the HD 5970, and other have stated why to get the GTX 570, I respect that, and it's really up to the OP now.

What I'm trying to finish now is the "Argument" which 384-Bit is obviously wrong about, even though it changes every post.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:54:14 PM

Quote:
said that too...

appoligies didn't see your post
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:55:48 PM

yummerzzz said:
Me too, I've stated why i think OP should get the HD 5970, and other have stated why to get the GTX 570, I respect that, and it's really up to the OP now


I love it when people say they respect others opinions when they clearly don't.

a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:58:08 PM

Gothams Finest said:
I love it when people say they respect others opinions when they clearly don't.


I respect everyone's opinion apart from 384-Bit's, and still I only disagree with a few of them.

@ 384-Bit, Reverting to stereotypes, how mature of you, for starters, it must hurt to be proved wrong by a child, and secondly, one that acts more maturely than yourself.
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 8:58:19 PM

@ 384 bit,
Pointless ? i just left the thread for 2 minutes and found 15 mail notifications
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 9:01:48 PM

Gothams Finest said:
I love it when people say they respect others opinions when they clearly don't.

I agree to disagree.
Agree about the 570 be the better choice because its new with a warranty. 2nd hand is like buying a lucky packet.
But I disagree bout the bottleneck issue but going on with that issue will just derail the ops post and not answer his question. In the end the all factors points to the first point. 2nd hand lucky packet vs a new card with a decent warranty. I will never buy a 2nd hand gpu so I will never advice anyone else to buy one even if it isn't my cash.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 9:03:31 PM

Yes you do.
"He's 14 give him break".
"GTX 570 = pwns [...] price"
Both of the above statements had no facts, where as mine have.

Name-calling, which is also shows which one of us is more mature, but then again "I'm only 14, give me a break <Insert pointless smiley here>".

You, are a hypocrite.

EDIT:
Quote:
"OP listed his prices already, the HD 5970 is $350 as is the GTX 570."
Yes it was realised.

Experience goes further than paper and mouth ;) 

Then why post the links?
That would make it a pointless post.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 9:09:38 PM

"Mr. Mature" Sarcastic name-Calling.

You could have said, "He is 14", but no, you had to add, "give him a break", which is quite obviously an insulting and demeaning term.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 9:13:56 PM

If you said, "Give him a break", that may have been taking into consideration, but since you added "He's only 14", it now changes to "Do not push him because he is 14". You obviously meant it as an insult, do not deny it, simply apologize and get it over with, or do you need more facts?
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 9:16:06 PM

I'm not the one who threw insults, your already lower than me "Pal".
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 9:17:25 PM

STFU! God, you people argue and deviate from the topic more than I do...and I'm the 14 year old here...

If those two are your only option, a 570. Heat, power consumption, size, noise, and so on should be factored in when it comes to a 5970. Sure it's a great card, but good luck trying to find one around the price of a 570. A 570 should be more than enough for your needs. However, I would also consider the Sapphire Toxic Radeon HD 6950. Unlocks with a switch to a 6970 (which is equal to a 570) and for less.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 9:21:21 PM

AbdullahG said:
STFU! God, you people argue and deviate from the topic more than I do...and I'm the 14 year old here...

If those two are your only option, a 570. Heat, power consumption, size, noise, and so on should be factored in when it comes to a 5970. Sure it's a great card, but good luck trying to find one around the price of a 570. A 570 should be more than enough for your needs. However, I would also consider the Sapphire Toxic Radeon HD 6950. Unlocks with a switch to a 6970 (which is equal to a 570) and for less.


+2 but your one of the 14 year olds in this thread.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 9:27:24 PM

Quote:
yes, there are other options but that depends on the OP's thoughts...

True. Though advice should still be welcome.

List of cards within your budget you should consider (to OP):

GTX 560 SLI
HD 6950 (Sapphire Toxic Edition)
GTX 570

However, it's Black November at Newegg (if you live in the US) and I HIGHLY consider looking at any of the GPU sales that may appear.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2011 9:35:11 PM

Okay, here are your best offers (if you can consider anymore):

-GTX 560 Ti (out of all the cards here, it uses the least power and is the quietest and coolest) $240 to $300
-GTX 560 SLI (offers the best performance, but uses the most power, generates more heat, and is somewhat loud) $360 to $400
-GTX 570 (great bang for your buck in the $300 range; OCing can get it up to GTX 580 speeds) $340
-HD 6950 (can be unlocked to a 6970 depending on model; do a bit of research on this) $300

OR

Wait for a while during this month for great offers, as well as the January sale.
November 1, 2011 10:16:32 PM

haha i go afk for a bit when there's 3 posts and i come back to a full 3 page post of replies, anyways i decided to go with the 570 and OCing to 580 speeds, since the 5970 ONLY has a 1 YEAR WARRANTY + Used while the 570 is NEW and Lifetime Warranty.

Also how come the GTX 4602Win gets bad reviews is it just a really unreliable card? or is it just too expensive?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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