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April 9, 2012 3:01:24 PM

Hello,

So im thinking of putting together a 2x Hd6850 GPu with either i5 2500k or the i7 26(7)00k with a Asus P8Z68-V LX.

I checked new egg and they recomend 600w PSU but others say a lot more. So how much do i need if i was to have all the 16gb 1600rams and a ssd plus HDD fans etc the whole lot?

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a b ) Power supply
April 9, 2012 3:56:54 PM

Hi :) 

A GOOD make psu of 750 will be MORE than enough....but I emphasise GOOD MAKE...not a cheap one...

All the best Brett :) 
April 9, 2012 4:03:57 PM

A high quality 750w will suffice, I mean like 80 Plus silver rating. Like Brett said, you must get a GOOD 750w PSU not some budget back of the store crap. As I have said in many threads good PSU makers include: Antec, Seasonic, corsair, Silverstone, and XFX.
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a b ) Power supply
April 9, 2012 4:08:24 PM

a 650w psu runs 560ti SLi(amuffin runs).so i guess a 650w will do fine and if you are building a gaming rig then go with 2500k.it is a better value product.
April 9, 2012 10:02:31 PM

Thank you everyone for the replays.

Bests for all,
Kev =)

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April 9, 2012 10:16:41 PM
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For a system using two Radeon HD 6850 graphics cards in 2-way CrossFireX mode AMD specifies a minimum of an 600 Watt or greater power supply. The power supply should also have a combined +12 Volt continuous current rating of 36 Amps or greater and have at least two 6-pin PCI Express supplementary power connectors.

Total Power Supply Wattage is NOT the crucial factor in power supply selection!!! Total Continuous Amperage Available on the +12V Rail(s) is the most important factor.

A Seasonic X-Series 560W (SS-560KM) is more than capable with its combined +12 Volt continuous current rating of 46 Amps and with two (6+2)-pin PCI Express supplementary power connectors.

A Corsair Gaming Series GS600 (CMPSU-600G) is also more than capable with its combined +12 Volt continuous current rating of 45 Amps and with two (6+2)-pin PCI Express supplementary power connectors

The Enthusiast Series Modular TX550M (CMPSU-550TXM) is also more than capable with its combined +12 Volt continuous current rating of 48 Amps and with two (6+2)-pin PCI Express supplementary power connectors.
a b ) Power supply
April 9, 2012 10:32:47 PM

teradoom said:
Hello,

So im thinking of putting together a 2x Hd6850 GPu with either i5 2500k or the i7 26(7)00k with a Asus P8Z68-V LX.

I checked new egg and they recomend 600w PSU but others say a lot more. So how much do i need if i was to have all the 16gb 1600rams and a ssd plus HDD fans etc the whole lot?



The bigger the better but only the highest quality. Don't listen to people telling you how small a PSU you can get away with. It's false economics.
a c 1108 ) Power supply
April 9, 2012 10:54:10 PM

Those who tout buying a power supply with a power rating far in excess of what is needed don't have a clue about what makes a power supply adequate or inadequate and shouldn't be listened to.
a b ) Power supply
April 10, 2012 1:15:57 AM

ko888 said:
Those who tout buying a power supply with a power rating far in excess of what is needed don't have a clue about what makes a power supply adequate or inadequate and shouldn't be listened to.



My boss would probably debate that with you since I've been specifying power supplies for him (among other things) for almost 18 years without a single failure.
April 23, 2012 10:02:00 AM

Hum...

I guess to be safe ill play in the middle.

now you have got me a bit confused but for what i have understood 600+ is fine.
a c 158 ) Power supply
April 23, 2012 12:02:12 PM

ram1009 said:
My boss would probably debate that with you since I've been specifying power supplies for him (among other things) for almost 18 years without a single failure.

I'm not telling you how to do your job, but PCs consume significantly less power than most people think. http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1245-page3.html
Significantly overspecifying PSUs costs extra money for parts with unneeded operational capacity. It can also drive the PSU to operate outside its peak efficiency spread, 40-70% of operational capacity, and that leads to higher electricity costs. The additional electricity cost per PC will be low, but the costs add up with multiple PCs over an extended period of time.

To the OP: Buy a high quality PSU that meets your system requirements; ko888 gave some great PSU suggestions. Power draw from a single 6850 is ~121W. http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-revie... Crossfire does not double power draw, but let's assume it does and increase power to 242W. Add 160W for the rest of the system at full load (that's more than enough) and you hit 400W. For all of the PSUs listed by ko888, hat would put a max load at around 72% of operational capacity - right in the efficiency sweet spot.
a c 139 ) Power supply
April 23, 2012 12:08:21 PM

teradoom said:
now you have got me a bit confused but for what i have understood 600+ is fine.
You're understanding is correct.
a b ) Power supply
April 23, 2012 5:51:23 PM

Rugger said:
I'm not telling you how to do your job, but PCs consume significantly less power than most people think. http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1245-page3.html
Significantly overspecifying PSUs costs extra money for parts with unneeded operational capacity. It can also drive the PSU to operate outside its peak efficiency spread, 40-70% of operational capacity, and that leads to higher electricity costs. The additional electricity cost per PC will be low, but the costs add up with multiple PCs over an extended period of time.

To the OP: Buy a high quality PSU that meets your system requirements; ko888 gave some great PSU suggestions. Power draw from a single 6850 is ~121W. http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-revie... Crossfire does not double power draw, but let's assume it does and increase power to 242W. Add 160W for the rest of the system at full load (that's more than enough) and you hit 400W. For all of the PSUs listed by ko888, hat would put a max load at around 72% of operational capacity - right in the efficiency sweet spot.



You're exposing your ignorance. A 1000W PSU supplying 500W isn't consuming any more power than a 500W PSU doing the same thing. The difference is that the 500W supply is maxed out and over stressed. The 1000W supply is only cruising. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which PSU will last longer and be more reliable along the way.
a b ) Power supply
April 23, 2012 6:06:12 PM

ram1009 said:
You're exposing your ignorance. A 1000W PSU supplying 500W isn't consuming any more power than a 500W PSU doing the same thing. The difference is that the 500W supply is maxed out and over stressed. The 1000W supply is only cruising. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which PSU will last longer and be more reliable along the way.



Not quite, as any EE will tell you. A power supply operates with efficiency on a bell curve, which means that near it's peak (about 75% utilized) is when it's most efficient. While the wear on electronics is greater toward the max capacity, it is far more energy efficient, and a well designed power supply takes that into account.


900W Power Supply Efficiency




As you can see, peak efficiency is between 450 and 800W.
a c 158 ) Power supply
April 23, 2012 7:18:11 PM

ram1009 said:
You're exposing your ignorance. A 1000W PSU supplying 500W isn't consuming any more power than a 500W PSU doing the same thing. The difference is that the 500W supply is maxed out and over stressed. The 1000W supply is only cruising. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which PSU will last longer and be more reliable along the way.

You are incorrect, sir.

I agree that either a 500W or a 1000W PSU will provide the same amount of power to the PC. The PSU will only provide as much power as the PC requires. The issue is how much power is drawn from the outlet to provide that power. The power drawn from the wall will vary by the efficiency of the PSU in converting the AC from the wall and into the DC that will be used by the PC. PSU efficiency in converting AC-to-DC power varies at different loads on the PSU. The variable efficiency is usually charted on a bell curve. Modern PSUs typically have peak efficiencies in the 40-70% load range and have made significant progress in flattening the curves to provide similar efficiency across a wider range of loads.

Let's take a 500W and a 1000W PSU and assume that both are similar build quality and 80+ Bronze certified. Let's say that the PC requires a constant 300W of power. Both PSUs would provide the same 300W of power that the PC required. 300W represents a 60% load for the 500W PSU and let's say that results in 88% efficiency. That same 300W is a 30% load for a 1000W PSU; let's say that results in a 83% efficiency. In this case, the 1000W PSU will draw 361W from the wall to provide 300W to the PC (300W/.83). The 500W will draw 341W watts from the wall to provide 300W to the PC (300W/.88). Running 6 hours/day for 365 days a year; that is an additional 43.8 kWh.
a b ) Power supply
April 23, 2012 8:21:47 PM

Rugger said:
You are incorrect, sir.

I agree that either a 500W or a 1000W PSU will provide the same amount of power to the PC. The PSU will only provide as much power as the PC requires. The issue is how much power is drawn from the outlet to provide that power. The power drawn from the wall will vary by the efficiency of the PSU in converting the AC from the wall and into the DC that will be used by the PC. PSU efficiency in converting AC-to-DC power varies at different loads on the PSU. The variable efficiency is usually charted on a bell curve. Modern PSUs typically have peak efficiencies in the 40-70% load range and have made significant progress in flattening the curves to provide similar efficiency across a wider range of loads.

Let's take a 500W and a 1000W PSU and assume that both are similar build quality and 80+ Bronze certified. Let's say that the PC requires a constant 300W of power. Both PSUs would provide the same 300W of power that the PC required. 300W represents a 60% load for the 500W PSU and let's say that results in 88% efficiency. That same 300W is a 30% load for a 1000W PSU; let's say that results in a 83% efficiency. In this case, the 1000W PSU will draw 361W from the wall to provide 300W to the PC (300W/.83). The 500W will draw 341W watts from the wall to provide 300W to the PC (300W/.88). Running 6 hours/day for 365 days a year; that is an additional 43.8 kWh.



You guys must have a lot of time on your hands for splitting hairs. I won't even bother challenging your numbers. I'll only say that using your numbers the extra electricity consumed costs $.18 per day in the US at the rate of $.112 per KWH according to Wikipedia. If you're too cheap to spend $.18 per day for the peace of mind provided by an unsteressed power supply then have at it. I never said it was free, but only that it was the cheapest insurance policy you could buy for the well being of your entire PC.
a c 158 ) Power supply
April 23, 2012 9:44:10 PM

I agree that a good quality PSU is a critical part of a PC and gives great peace of mind. I just don't believe that you have to significantly overspecify for extra peace. It costs more than the electricity. You can get a good quality 550W PSU for around $60-70. A good quality 1000W PSU costs $180. That's a significant amount of money that could be invested in other parts of the PC.
a b ) Power supply
April 23, 2012 10:23:00 PM

Rugger said:
I agree that a good quality PSU is a critical part of a PC and gives great peace of mind. I just don't believe that you have to significantly overspecify for extra peace. It costs more than the electricity. You can get a good quality 550W PSU for around $60-70. A good quality 1000W PSU costs $180. That's a significant amount of money that could be invested in other parts of the PC.



Well, we finally agree on one thing. Invest is the right word. I'll put my $100 into something that improves my entire box rather than something that gets me a few extra FPS that I'll never notice.
a c 139 ) Power supply
April 23, 2012 10:47:10 PM

ram1009 said:
I'll put my $100 into something that improves my entire box
A SSD boot drive would be a good use of that extra $100.
a b ) Power supply
April 24, 2012 12:28:53 AM

WR2 said:
A SSD boot drive would be a good use of that extra $100.



A $100 boot drive is a waste of money. That will only buy a 60GB which isn't nearly enough. I have a 256GB M4 and wouldn't consider anything smaller. I also consider an SSD a good investment but not at the expense of a proper PSU.
a c 139 ) Power supply
April 24, 2012 1:18:35 AM

A couple weeks ago a 120GB Mushkin Enhanced Chronos was on sale for $105.

And the $80 60GB versions would still improve overall system performance where spending the same amount on excess PSU capacity would not do the same.
a b ) Power supply
April 24, 2012 3:33:57 AM

You have the same short sighted attitude so prevalent on this board.
April 24, 2012 4:52:26 AM

If you want the true power your pc will consume check out an article i have writtern theres a link to thermaltakes website which gives you the exact power consumption for your exact system build http://www.squidoo.com/best-psu-atx-power-supply
a b ) Power supply
April 24, 2012 4:57:57 AM

ram1009 said:
A $100 boot drive is a waste of money. That will only buy a 60GB which isn't nearly enough. I have a 256GB M4 and wouldn't consider anything smaller. I also consider an SSD a good investment but not at the expense of a proper PSU.


I could buy a 850W psu, but what would be the point when my PC only pulls 300W from the wall at 100% load? There is the law of diminishing returns to consider as well.
a b ) Power supply
April 24, 2012 10:07:11 AM

mauros34 said:
If you want the true power your pc will consume check out an article i have writtern theres a link to thermaltakes website which gives you the exact power consumption for your exact system build http://www.squidoo.com/best-psu-atx-power-supply



Very nice article. Thanks for the link.
a b ) Power supply
April 24, 2012 10:17:58 AM

sk1939 said:
I could buy a 850W psu, but what would be the point when my PC only pulls 300W from the wall at 100% load? There is the law of diminishing returns to consider as well.



I agree about diminishing returns but your example is unrealistic. Nobody builds a 300W machine today so it would be nearly impossible to achieve the nearly 3/1 ratio you suggest. Personally, I try to never let my rigs exceed 50% but when trying to get out some quick advice I often say to get the biggest quality PSU that the OP can afford. That way they're not encumbered with a bunch of intimidating calculations and it's preferable to err on the high side than the low side.
a b ) Power supply
April 24, 2012 3:36:27 PM

Actually, the machine in my signature only pull 300W from the wall at 100% load (thanks to F@H). Tour right in the sense that if you have multiple graphics cards, and optical drives and such, your power requirement goes up, and it is indeed easier to buy a larger one than a smaller one, so long as they don't go nuts and buy a 1500W PSU for an i3.
a b ) Power supply
April 24, 2012 5:49:35 PM

sk1939 said:
Actually, the machine in my signature only pull 300W from the wall at 100% load (thanks to F@H). Tour right in the sense that if you have multiple graphics cards, and optical drives and such, your power requirement goes up, and it is indeed easier to buy a larger one than a smaller one, so long as they don't go nuts and buy a 1500W PSU for an i3.



I agree completely. I hope I didn't convey anything else. I usually suggest buying the biggest quality PSU they can afford. I believe that limits nearly everybody to parameters we both agree on. Someone buying a 1500W PSU is surely looking for bragging rights anyway.
May 2, 2012 10:58:26 AM

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