Double Checking Compatibility.

agiste101 · Dec 31, 2011

Graphics Card- GTX 560
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127592

Mother Board- ASRock 970 EXTREME4 AM3+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157262&Tpk=970%20extreme4&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=di8smrls1w7o

CPU- AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996&Tpk=fx%204100

PSU- OCZ ZS Series 750W 80PLUS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341049&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=5u90lq5kxesd

RAM- CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233144

Thanks,and please don't hate about the processor
And I will most likely be doing SLI in the future(Near Future)
No overclocking for me, that's for pros.

ONCE AGAIN...THANKS.

r0aringdrag0n · Dec 31, 2011

It looks compatible...however, be aware that the motherboard might not come with the correct BIOS version, and that you may need to flash your BIOS to support the FX-4100. This requires you to have an old AMD AM3 CPU.
Also, unless you REALLY like Nvidia, I would go with AMD gpu:
http://www.hwcompare.com/11005/geforce-gtx-560-vs-radeon-hd-6870/
I would go with AMD for 2 reasons:
1. it's cheaper
2. it performs better (Nvidia only starts to beat Radeon at 560Ti, and even then, they're neck to neck...however Radeon is cheaper)

So I would go with this card that is on par with the Nvidia gtx 560:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948

or, if you have more money ($20 more, same price after rebate), you can upgrade to this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401

And I know you said not to hate on the CPU, but this is important: I would not SLI/CF the gfx card with the FX-4100...
with the FX-6100 there is a bottle neck with the Radeon gfx cards...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossfire-ssd,3098-13.html

Since you're not going to overclock, I would get this CPU:
intel core i5 2400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

I would also get a different PSU:
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017

600W is more than enough for your system, even with CF/SLI

I would also go with different, cheaper RAM...something like this Patriot memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220570

or if you want to be uber geeky, then you can go full out with an AMD system and buy...AMD RAM (buy 2 sticks):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820103001 :pt1cable:

agiste101 · Dec 31, 2011

OK...you made me completely rethink the setup.

Graphics Card(s)-SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB-$164.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=52z56e4d5g2x

Mother Board-BIOSTAR TH67+ LGA 1155 Intel H67-$104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138296

CPU-Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz-$189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=3pipo7wqvtun

PSU-SILVERSTONE Strider Essential series ST60F-ES 600W-$69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256071

RAM-Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin-DDR3-$29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220570&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=l2mnd2qaq5lz

And I might do Crossfire later on.

majorgibly · Dec 31, 2011

agiste101 :

Looks better, I used to advice AMD for people like you that wanted a little gaming set-up for cheap, not it's best to go that £120 more and get something which will last for at least 4 years. AMD's can't do that like they used to.

agiste101 · Dec 31, 2011

majorgibly :

I don't have a clue what you just wrote there :??:

majorgibly · Dec 31, 2011

agiste101 :

In fact neither do I. Must of been tired. Infact don't worry the build is fine! :na:

r0aringdrag0n · Dec 31, 2011

agiste101 :

Everything looks good except one thing...the motherboard.
1. It's from BIOSTAR...not saying it's a bad company, it's that I've always learned (from people at Tom's) that they aren't as reliable as ASUS, ASRock, or Gigabyte.
2. Yes, the motherboard supports CF...but I don't like the setup of the PCIe x16 slots...they're at x16 and x4. I would go with something that is either x16 and x8 or x8 and x8.

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

r0aringdrag0n :

I don't understand what "x16 and x4" and "x16 and x8" means.

What about this motherboard: ASUS P8H67-M LE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131712

Or Intel BOXDH67CLB3 LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121508

Or the other one.

r0aringdrag0n · Jan 1, 2012

agiste101 :

Both are good choices, although both also don't support CF/SLI. and by x8 and x8 means the speeds in which the computer can use the gfx card

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

r0aringdrag0n :

Can you suggest a good motherboard for $120(less will be preferred) and SLI compatible.

r0aringdrag0n · Jan 1, 2012

You can always go with the BIOSTAR motherboard, if it isn't working, you can always RMI it

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

r0aringdrag0n :

So that means that my second build is alright?

r0aringdrag0n · Jan 1, 2012

agiste101 :

Yes, it's definitely going to work.

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

Can this setup run BF3, ARMA and Skyrim on high at least at 1440x900

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

r0aringdrag0n :

Can you suggest a cheap good case.
And can I use this CPU instead AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8GHz Socket AM3 Six-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851

And this motherboard ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131767

r0aringdrag0n · Jan 1, 2012

agiste101 :

There is one problem with that set-up:
The CPU has more cores, but each core isn't as good as a single core of the i3. Right now, games aren't programmed to use more than 4 cores, so 2 cores would be going to waste. As for the i3, it can hyperthread into running 4 threads, meaning that is simulates a 4 core CPU. If I were to go with an AMD CPU, I would go with this:
Phenom II x4 960T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103995
and if you want to OC, then you can buy this HSF:
CM Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

As for good cases:
around $40: NZXT Gamma
http://www.amazon.com/GAMMA-Classic-Interior-Chassis-Black/dp/B002UDK9U6
This is a good case designed for gaming builds. It can support gfx cards that are around 10.5+" and is roomy enough for all components. The Hyper 212+ will fit, although it'll be a squeeze if you have a side fan. I have this case and I can fit my Radeon 6870 in it.

around $50:
Rosewill Challenger
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153
Another case designed for gaming, it has 3 fans included and is about the same size the NZXT gamma.

around $60:
CM HAF 912
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
Another great case. It has 2 included 120mm fans. It was designed for high airflow for good cooling.

As for your gaming question:
I have an i5 2500k with a Radeon 6870. I am able to run battlefield 3 on High settings at 1920x1080 perfectly fine. You should be more than ready to run new releases at 1440x900. There will be minor FPS changes depending on the CPU (if you stick with the same gfx card) you get. The Phenom is probably going to get a few less frames than the i3.

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

r0aringdrag0n :

There is one problem with that set-up:
The CPU has more cores, but each core isn't as good as a single core of the i3. Right now, games aren't programmed to use more than 4 cores, so 2 cores would be going to waste. As for the i3, it can hyperthread into running 4 threads, meaning that is simulates a 4 core CPU. If I were to go with an AMD CPU, I would go with this:
Phenom II x4 960T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103995
and if you want to OC, then you can buy this HSF:
CM Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

As for good cases:
around $40: NZXT Gamma
http://www.amazon.com/GAMMA-Classic-Interior-Chassis-Black/dp/B002UDK9U6
This is a good case designed for gaming builds. It can support gfx cards that are around 10.5+" and is roomy enough for all components. The Hyper 212+ will fit, although it'll be a squeeze if you have a side fan. I have this case and I can fit my Radeon 6870 in it.

around $50:
Rosewill Challenger
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153
Another case designed for gaming, it has 3 fans included and is about the same size the NZXT gamma.

around $60:
CM HAF 912
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
Another great case. It has 2 included 120mm fans. It was designed for high airflow for good cooling.

As for your gaming question:
I have an i5 2500k with a Radeon 6870. I am able to run battlefield 3 on High settings at 1920x1080 perfectly fine. You should be more than ready to run new releases at 1440x900. There will be minor FPS changes depending on the CPU (if you stick with the same gfx card) you get. The Phenom is probably going to get a few less frames than the i3.

I was just checking the setup and I am now realizing that if I use the Zosma, I could have like $270 to spend on a video card (after I remove the 6870).
So can you suggest one for me.

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

What about this card :
HD 6950 @$269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150530

OR

GTX 560 2gb @$244.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130662

Will it be bottlenecking?
Can I get better value?
Should I get a better processor instead?(although games are becoming more GPU intensive)

These are all questions that hope you guys answer.

And also is this processor any good: AMD fx-4100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996

r0aringdrag0n · Jan 1, 2012

agiste101 :

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-card-radeon-geforce,3085-7.html
the Radeon 6950 is better than the gtx 560. You can however, go with the gtx 560Ti (on par with the radeon 6950):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401

As for the CPU, the FX-4100 is a mediocre CPU. Software isn't optimized for that CPU so it might seem slow and also it might create a bottleneck in the system. I would recommend you go with Intel.

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

Like anyone making a system they think about it before they purchase.I have been doing that then I realized that rebates would be hassle for me (Since I don't live in the USA)so I decided to redo my system to work with my choice against rebates(they are out the option).So here are the new specs(well,with some of the older parts):

Processor- AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6 Ghz(3.8 Ghz Turbo) Socket AM3+
RAM/Memory-G Skill Ripjaws X Series 4GB(2x2GB) 240 pin DDR3 1333(I didn't feel like getting the 8GB anymore)
Motherboard/MoBo-ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD(Picked It Because I Like To See The UEFI BIOS

And It Apparently Supports SLI)
Graphics Card/GFX/Video Card-EVGA Superclocked GTX 560 2GB(It is cheaper,and since I plan to SLI later that is good(And I really like the "X" in the name,it makes it sound cooler)
PSU/Power Supply-SILVERSTONE Strider Essential series ST60F-ES 600W ATX12V

CASE COMES IN LATER!!

LINKS:
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996
RAM- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231425
MOBO- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131767
GFX- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130662
PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256071

HAF 912 IS THE CASE

EDIT--> I DIDNT SEE R0ARINGDRAG0NS COMMENT ABOVE SINCE I WAS TYPING THIS(SORRY)

r0aringdrag0n · Jan 1, 2012

Get the gtx 560Ti, it's cheaper and it's better

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

r0aringdrag0n :

But his one is 2GB!
The Ti is just 1GB

r0aringdrag0n · Jan 1, 2012

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127608

agiste101 · Jan 1, 2012

r0aringdrag0n :

MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...
$269.99

ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
$99.99

SILVERSTONE Strider Essential series ST60F-ES 600W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
$69.99

AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX
$119.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBXL
$24.99

Subtotal: $584.95

Hoping that this is the final build.

NeutralEnergy · Jan 2, 2012

OK so... I see many problems with your build (sorry, I don't mean to be a dick or anything, truly trying to help).

1. Don't go with any of the FX series Processors. AMD screwed up on the transistor count (how do you lose a billion transistors?...). Transistors are the part that data goes in and out of the CPU. More transistors=better. Smaller transisters ( **nm technology such as Intel's 32nm technology)=much MUCH better. Since your not overclocking anyways, go with the Intel Core i3 2100.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078
It uses 28nm technology opposed to AMD's 45nm technology. It's a GREAT processor, you will not be disappointed (trust me).

2. I agree with r0aringdrag0n. Get a gtx 560 ti. Here's a really good, already overclocked Zotac GTX 560 ti. I personally know Zotac products and they are great (it also comes with a free copy of Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood

).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500196&Tpk=zotac%20gtx%20560%20ti%20amp%21
Those video cards REALLY hit the sweet spot in terms of its performance/dollar ratio. Also, if you sli 2 of those some time in the future... it'll take BF3 on high-ultra with AA x4 at about 40-50ish fps.

3. In order to have a chance to sli in the future you need-
A Motherboard that supports sli.
A Motherboard that has AT LEAST 2 PCIe slots that can run at x8/x8.
You can't go wrong with a Gigabyte motherboard. They really are great.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128498

4. I don't recommend the HAF 912. I'm sorry but it's just not worth its money. You would be much, much better off with the Rosewill Challenger.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153
Rosewill is a part of Newegg so... You can't go wrong with it.

So... all in all you'd be paying-
$574.96 for the 4 items I mentioned.
$524.96 for the 4 items you mentioned

But... I'm telling you it's WELL worth the extra $50. If you aren't interested in SLI (but you should because as technology advances so will games and the need for more power from your graphics card(s) ) and save yourself those $50...

Everything else in your build is great. I like the PSU and am surprised at the price. SilverStone is a very good company. Also, that particular PSU is SLI certified which means it has the power connectors for an extra card. Another thing, 2gb in a video card compared with 1gb doesn't make THAT big of a difference. Just saying. If you need anything else or you have any other questions, just ask.

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