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November 2, 2011 2:57:20 PM

Hi. The Tom's Hardware community has always been a good resource for me. My last two system builds have been heavily influenced by community recommendations.

I was thinking of upgrading my graphics card. Here are my system specs:

Mobo: ASUS P7P55D PRO LGA 1156
CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core
Vid Card: GIGABYTE GV-N275UD-896I GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
PSU: CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 PSU;
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM;
HDD: Western Digital 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s;

Would upgrading the card to a GTX 580 give a worthwhile performance boost?

I play all sorts of games... Minecraft, FPS like BF3

The money isn't that much of an issue. I typically spend around $250 for a card. But I don't mind splurging if it's going to be a significant upgrade.

Eventually, I'll build a new system... but probably not for another year or two.

I appreciate any help you could provide.
Thank you.

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a b U Graphics card
November 2, 2011 3:41:44 PM

That system as a whole looks really good. At what resolution are you gaming at?
That's a major factor if you're upgrading you GFX card.
GTX 580 should give you better performance. If you're playing at high resolution, then you'll need more VRAM and that's just what the 580 can give you. The 570 is a lot cheaper alternative though, and you may want to consider that as well.
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a b U Graphics card
November 2, 2011 3:46:59 PM

There are a lot of factors you should think about. There are a few ways to make the decision, all of which can be researched in the monthly TH "Best Graphics for the Money" articles:

1) Pick a budget and look to get the best performance for your budget (I have $250, what's the best I can do)

2) Find a performance point and spend whatever you need to get there (I want to have fantastic performance on pretty much all games at 1920x1200- to do that I need ______)

3) Get something because it's the best. Nothing wrong with this approach, just understand pcking the 580 because it's the fastest card may be overkill based on your needs. There are lower cost dual GPU solutions from both NVidia and AMD that will provide better performance than a 580 and could be a good fit.

The 580 would be a big upgrade and you'd notice significantly better performance compared to your current card. Just don't look at it as your ONLY option :)  Cheers.
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a b U Graphics card
November 2, 2011 4:10:20 PM

I am pretty much in the exact same boat as you except that I am running the GTX 275 on the LGA 1336 platform. I usually tend to spend around 300 on a upgrade every other year or so as well.

The key to your decision is your budget. If you are going to limit yourself to around 300 dollars, then a GTX 570 / HD 6970 is your best bet. Similar to you, however, budget doesn't really matter to me so I am looking at a GTX 580 or other dual card solutions.

Personally, dual card solutions do not interest me as much as a nice single fast solution even if the price to performance ratio is better. The additional power requirements and heat and driver issues (I realize that these are not too common) are a big negative in my book.

All in all, it is your decision to make. If I were you, I would research each and every card / cards that you are interested in and compare their strengths and weaknesses. Then you can make your decision on which card will be the best for you.
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November 2, 2011 7:45:04 PM

Thank you for the responses! I tend to get a little OCD when it comes to buying new hardware. There are so many choices!

I usually run 1920x1200, my monitor's native resolution. Sometimes I use a 55 inch plasma as a monitor, which runs 1920x1080.

I have another monitor which runs 1680x1050 and would like to utilize the dual monitor feature.

My current card used to by able to do it but decided to lose the function one day.

I figure on spending between $300 and $500. I'm open to spending a little bit more if it means getting two video cards. I recall reading that some games don't utilize the second card. I'm not sure if two cards is the answer.

I've looked at some benchmarks. The BF3 benchmark applies to my gaming needs.

Basically... I want to run 1920x1200 at the highest settings and be able to get awesome performance no matter what game I'm playing. I might try to buy a monitor that runs 2560x1600. But for now, I'm sticking with 1920x1200.

What alternative might best suit my needs? Dual 6970/6950?

I don't have any experience running dual video cards or with Radeon products. I've pretty much only had nVidia cards except for a stock ATI that was in a Pentium 90 I had back in the early to mid 90s.

Price/performance is important to me. I want to get the most out of my money... $300-$500. $600 is the absolute most I'm willing to spend.




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a b U Graphics card
November 2, 2011 10:47:07 PM

If price / performance is important to you and you wouldn't mind a dual card configuration then 2 HD 6950's/6970's is a good choice. On the nVIDIA side, you can SLi 2 GTX 560 Ti's/570's.

2 HD 6970's or 2 GTX 570's will cost somewhere near 700 dollars so that may not be your best bet but definitely consider 2 GTX 560 Ti's or 2 HD 6950's. Both are great choices, be sure to look up reviews of each to see which one will be better for you.

As a side note, you may want to wait for the GTX 560 Ti "refresh" or the HD 7000 series, which should be here in a few months.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
November 2, 2011 11:11:55 PM

It's a bit late to add a second GTX 275 in SLI though that's probably what I would do :D . I say you wait for the HD 7000 series or the next nVidia series that will come out next year. Hey you've already waited this long. If you absolutely need something now though I'd say get a 560Ti or a Radeon 6950. You could also consider getting two Radeon 6850s to run in Crossfire or two nvidia GTX 460s to run in SLI.
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 12:25:30 AM

a 570 should be plenty a 580 might be a bit excessive.
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November 3, 2011 8:47:34 PM

I think I might want to go excessive with my current setup.

Can my motherboard take advantage of 2 gtx 580's in SLI?

I've considered a completely new gaming build. But if I can get away with just getting new vid cards to go along with a couple more monitors (for 5760x1200), that's what I want to do.

I may also consider adding an SSD and some RAM to remove any possible bottlenecks.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

I've got Win 7 64 OEM. IIRC, I would need to get another copy for a fresh install on an SSD.

Thanks again for your help!

Also, I don't mind replacing parts for marginal increases (for the PSU, for instance). I can always use my existing hardware in another build. I need a home entertainment PC. So current parts won't go to waste. :) 
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 8:51:11 PM

Try one GTX 580, and if you want more then get another one.
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November 3, 2011 8:54:54 PM

I've had problems with my GTX 275 supporting two monitors. Could one 580 support a dual monitor set up?

Right now, my second monitor acts as a cat barrier... blocking access to my desk.
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:00:57 PM

Really? My GTX 275 supports my main monitor and an HD TV. I am pretty sure the GTX 580 has dual monitor support, not 100% though. It's easy enough to look up I believe.
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November 3, 2011 9:10:35 PM

My GTX 275 worked very well initially. However, I had to experiment with different cord/adapter combos. I was able to get dual monitor support when I did the following: (PC to monitor)

HDMI port -> HDMI to DVI -> DVI port
DVI port -> DVI to HDMI -> HDMI port

And I apologize for asking questions that can be easily answered by looking up product information. I've been browsing over so many video cards and other products that my brain has had difficulty keeping track of features and specs. This process is always a bit of information overload for me.

At this point, I don't even mind throwing money at extreme hardware if it will allow me to plug the parts in and get things working without any problems.

I'd like to play BF3 on max settings and have a reliable dual monitor set up... or 3. :) 
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:13:24 PM

Read Tom's and Guru3D's BF3 analyses. Your processor is just fine, as is your RAM and the rest of your computer. Again, I highly recommend a single GTX 580 and add another if you want more performance. I did not look up your motherboard but if you want SLi in the future make sure that it supports it.
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:13:48 PM



Ill go for the 570
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:16:46 PM

I think he eventually wants dual monitors and Ultra settings.
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:19:08 PM

and the 6fps advantage that the 580 got will give him that?
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November 3, 2011 9:19:36 PM

Thanks! I appreciate all the help!

The mobo does have both Quad-GPU SLI & Quad-GPU CrossFireX Support.

My current build is a little over two years old. It will be nice to pop in a vid card and see some immediate results.
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:22:00 PM

for sli Intel Core i5-750 2.66GHz<--- that wont go so nice. Need a bit of a OC
Single card ill go for the 570
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:22:46 PM

gnomio said:
and the 6fps advantage that the 580 got will give him that?


2X GTX 580's will have a longer staying power. It is not the best price/performance ratio but he seems to want the best.
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:25:49 PM

If you are looking at GTX 570's, I would recommend MSI's Twin Frozr III version.

Having said that, if you do go with dual monitors, the GTX 570's 1.25GB of RAM may start to bog you down a tiny bit.
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November 3, 2011 9:29:21 PM

gnomio said:
for sli Intel Core i5-750 2.66GHz<--- that wont go so nice. Need a bit of a OC
Single card ill go for the 570

Sorry for not mentioning this before. I am using the ASUS presets to OC to around 2.9 GHz.

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November 3, 2011 9:32:54 PM

Warmacblu said:
If you are looking at GTX 570's, I would recommend MSI's Twin Frozr III version.

Having said that, if you do go with dual monitors, the GTX 570's 1.25GB of RAM may start to bog you down a tiny bit.


Would dual 3072MB GTX 580's be overkill?

I'm also consider these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:35:29 PM

Those require a water cooled loop. They would not be overkill if you are running two HD monitors.

You first have to make up your mind. Set a budget and pick a card, then you can choose the brand.
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November 3, 2011 9:44:08 PM

Warmacblu said:
Those require a water cooled loop. They would not be overkill if you are running two HD monitors.

You first have to make up your mind. Set a budget and pick a card, then you can choose the brand.


The budget? I'm willing to spend anything to push my system to its full potential. However, I would prefer to not overspend for minimal gains if the choice is between say, 570s 580s... or 590.

Ideally, I'd like to pair another Samsung T260HD with the one I have right now.

However, if there is a more optimal monitor set up, I would be open to buying 2 brand new monitors specifically for my PC, as I can use my current monitor for console gaming or as an HDTV.

gnomio: My experience is with nVidia. Unless a specific Radeon product can give me better performance at a particular price point (or similar performance at a lower price point), I'm interested in sticking with nVidia. I don't want to disparage Radeon in any way. Perhaps in a newer build, I may go with Radeon.
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:49:29 PM

So it sounds like you are looking for the best price/performance ratio. Unfortunately for you, AMD holds that crown. Their cards offer similar performance to nVIDIA's offerings for cheaper. Read Tom's article about the best graphics cards for your money. I think you will get the best performance with a dual GPU solution, something I am not willing to mess around with.
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 9:51:34 PM

Sava said:
The budget? I'm willing to spend anything to push my system to its full potential. However, I would prefer to not overspend for minimal gains if the choice is between say, 570s 580s... or 590.

Ideally, I'd like to pair another Samsung T260HD with the one I have right now.

However, if there is a more optimal monitor set up, I would be open to buying 2 brand new monitors specifically for my PC, as I can use my current monitor for console gaming or as an HDTV.

gnomio: My experience is with nVidia. Unless a specific Radeon product can give me better performance at a particular price point (or similar performance at a lower price point), I'm interested in sticking with nVidia. I don't want to disparage Radeon in any way. Perhaps in a newer build, I may go with Radeon.

no one gets discount from being a dedicated fan but we all pay the same price.

580 sli vs 6970 cf performance
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/298?vs=308

Is that worth the 400-500usd?
Two Radeon HD 6970 will set you back $700, compared to $920 for two Geforce GTX 580 in SLI.
If you want more performance to play at 5760 x 1080/1200, simply go with the two Radeon HD 6970

580 vs 570
performance
Does the performance increase equal the price difference?

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November 3, 2011 9:59:20 PM

Is there a particular 6970 that I should consider?

Does the difference in VRAM 3gb vs 2gb (6 and 4 in SLI/Crossfire) between nvidia and AMD make much difference?
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 10:07:53 PM

The VRAM doesn't stack in dual card configurations. There won't be too much of a difference between the 2GB or 3GB.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
November 3, 2011 10:28:29 PM

If you want to use 3 monitors you either need two cards in SLI or a Radeon card with eyefinity.
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November 3, 2011 10:55:41 PM

Wait until amd and nvidia release their new cards. AMD's new southern islands should be "revealed" in Dec. Nvidia might have a delay. Its not worth $500+ dollars right now. If you need it now I would go with the 570. I have one and the Price/Performance is much greater than the 580.
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a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2011 12:49:34 AM

I disagree with Jecho, there's no sense in waiting. No one really knows when these cards will be released, it could just be a paper release. Plus, the higher end cards won't be out for a few months after the initial release, so you are looking at summer by that time. Not worth waiting in my opinion.
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