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January 1, 2012 4:43:23 PM

im looking to build a new pc this year, Main use will be gaming, programming and encoding.
budget not more than $3000

i need a mobo, cpu, cpu cooler, ram, gpu, psu, hdd

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January 2, 2012 3:41:00 AM

I would recommend you don't spend more than $1500 for a system. I would rather buy a $1500 system now and buy another $1500 in 2-3years. That, in my opinion will last longer than 1 $3000 PC
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January 2, 2012 8:38:46 AM

Agreed with roaringdragon, if you are willing to accept a worse performing computer now you can buy a second one later with the saved cost and have not just a better system later, but also a still relatively good 2nd PC later too.

I have never spent as high as $1500 on a PC myself. The max I ever allocated was $1100 (about 6 years ago) and that has worked out just fine and I do like to do a lot of gaming.
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January 2, 2012 9:04:04 AM

this year as when ?
there are some nice gpus coming out pretty soon that you can afford with ur budget.
Wait couple months
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January 2, 2012 5:18:39 PM

im looking to buy my system in the next 3 months, wont it be better to buy a better pc now and it will be fine for the next 4+ years?
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January 2, 2012 5:37:15 PM

Well, the reason why to wait like a few months is
1. Ivy bridge is coming out soon (Q2 of 2012, around may/june)
2. AMD/Nvidia are coming out with their 7000s and 600s series gfx cards. AMD already benchmarked the 7970 and the performance lies between the 6970 and the 6990
3. The newly released components should not only perform better, but also cost less
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January 2, 2012 5:44:41 PM

i might be able to afford my rig by then so, I haven't read much about the ivy bridge but performance wise what would you recommend i get, lets say there is no budget involved.

I need a single, very strong pc.

graphic design
programming
interactive programming
gaming
Ext.

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January 2, 2012 5:48:41 PM

I've heard Ivy bridge performs a lot better and performs with a lot less power comsumption. We know the HD Radeon 7970 is good because they're already out (although it's hard to find any). You can build a VERY strong PC with around $1500 that can perform all the tasks that you listed. I would not go over $2000 building a new PC because of Moore's law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
Basically says technology doubles every 18months
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January 2, 2012 6:03:03 PM

the reason i asked no budget is because where im from, in dollars a pc that costs around $2000 cost for me if i convert the rate. it ends about +- $3000

So what would you recommend for a rig? Mobo, ram, cpu, gpu, psu
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January 2, 2012 6:05:15 PM

So, you don't want to wait to build your PC?
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January 2, 2012 6:12:22 PM

i can wait for the ivy bridge and the 7***
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January 3, 2012 2:47:46 AM

Moore's law is that the number of transistors that can be fit within a specific size will double once every 12 months. This has slowed down to about every 18 months and is reaching every 24 months.

It has nothing to do with performance which does not double every 18 months either.
Ivy bridge is supposed (according to Intel) to be about 10-15% faster than Sandy bridge while using significantly less power. This may open up more room for larger overclocks but Ivy bridge will not be a huge increase in performance over Sandy bridge. The biggest improvement is easily the performance per watt.

The performance of the Radeon 7970 is bench marked to be 10-25% faster than the GTX 580. That means it is approaching the speeds of the dual GPU Radeon 6990 and the similarly performing GTX 590, VERY far ahead of the Radeon 6970.

I do recommend waiting at least until the Radeon 7970 and 7950 3GB cards come out later this month, supposed to be the 9th if I remember correctly. Ivy bridge might not be out until q2 or q3 of 2012. I have no clue when Nvidia's 600 series will be out.
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January 3, 2012 5:58:26 AM

7950 is not coming out till February
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January 3, 2012 8:14:22 AM

the nvidia 600 series is rumored to come out the 3Q.

How about the intel i7 3930k sandy bridge E as a processor?

Im just looking for the best gpu i can get so when the time comes that it doesnt perform so well in the future i just want to crossfire.
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January 3, 2012 9:44:58 AM

night wolf said:
the nvidia 600 series is rumored to come out the 3Q.

How about the intel i7 3930k sandy bridge E as a processor?

Im just looking for the best gpu i can get so when the time comes that it doesnt perform so well in the future i just want to crossfire.

Overpriced, you can use the i7 2600k for cheaper and still get the job done
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January 3, 2012 12:59:08 PM

madchemist83 said:
7950 is not coming out till February


The 1.5GB version of the 7950 isn't supposed to come out until February or March. The 3GB is supposed to come out with the 7970.
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January 3, 2012 1:00:39 PM

night wolf said:
the nvidia 600 series is rumored to come out the 3Q.

How about the intel i7 3930k sandy bridge E as a processor?

Im just looking for the best gpu i can get so when the time comes that it doesnt perform so well in the future i just want to crossfire.


With your budget? Sure, its doable. Having it won't help in gaming but it will help in other software that makes use of it's 12 threads.
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January 3, 2012 1:00:45 PM

building pc in three months time there are things you should take a note at...

- intel is about to launch ivy bridge desktop platfrom by april
- amd radeon hd 7970 and hd 7950 will be available by early january and february respectively
- nvidia is known to launch their next generation kepler based gpu sometime in the first half of 2012

so if i were you... spec would be more or less like this...

cpu: intel core i5 3570k quad core cpu(yet to be released)

mobo: intel z77 chipset based motherboard

cpu cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

hdd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

gpu: amd radeon hd 7970 3gb


verdict: with all the parts that i've mentioned... although some of them haven't reach market yet... but estimated you only need less than $2000 to buy all those parts above...

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January 3, 2012 10:22:02 PM

- Edit - NM
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January 3, 2012 10:26:20 PM

Moore's law: more transistors every (around) 2 years...more transistors = more speed...am I not right?
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January 3, 2012 10:31:02 PM

The general idea is that the power of computers will increase at an exponential rate, yes.
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January 3, 2012 10:35:14 PM

either way...Ivy bridge = less power consumption and better performance

EDIT: Atleast in theory
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January 4, 2012 4:24:29 AM

r0aringdrag0n said:
Moore's law: more transistors every (around) 2 years...more transistors = more speed...am I not right?


There is not a direct correlation between more transistors and increased performance. Morre's law had nothing to do with speed and so I pointed that out when it you claimed that it did. More transistors does not mean more speed, look at Sandy bridge and Bulldozer as an example. Bulldozer uses slightly more transistors yet has extremely lower performance per core and performance per watt. Even with eight Bulldozer cores (4 modules) the FX-81xx processors barely beats the slightly older quad core i5-2500K at stock settings in work that supports eight threads.

An even better example is Itanium. I don't remember how it's transistor count but with 54MB of L3 cache on some of the latest models I can bet it's current generation has many more transistors than the latest Xeons yet it is beaten by them.

How the transistors are used is much more important than the amount of transistors so you were not right when you posted "more transistors = more speed".


If possible, I also recommend waiting until Ivy bridge and Nvidia's new 600 series come out. That way you can choose between Nvidia's next top cards (GTX 680/690?) and AMD's top cards (7970/7950) and have an Ivy bridge CPU. Ivy should be about 10-15% faster than Sandy (not a huge gain) but should also make a significant leap in reducing power consumption. The highest TDP of consumer Ivy bridge chips is supposed to be 77 watts, compare this to the top TDP of consumer Sandy bridge chips at 95 watts. So 10-15% increased performance and reduce power consumption by between 23% and 24%.

Nvidia has kept quiet so far but claims to be on schedule. Well we can look at benchmarks with the Radeon 7970 already so we know it's awesome, makes me wonder if Nvidia is going to beat the Radeon 7970 or not. My guess is they will but then the questions are by how much will it beat the 7970 and how much will it cost.

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