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April 11, 2012 4:27:13 PM

I dont have actually have a "budget", but i would love to get the best performance/value, so my options are:
FX-4100 (99 euros)
FX-4170 (116 euros)
FX-6100 (119 euros)
FX-8120 (162 euros)
I5 2500k (192 euros)

So, I would like to get the best performance in Battlefield 3 and upcoming Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 for the cheapest price.
If i could get a solid 60fps with the FX-4170 then I would buy that - thats my priority.
My current specs are:
Gigabyte ep43t ud3l
intel pentium dual core e6500 2.9ghz
2x2gb corsair vengeance 1333mhz
nvidia geforce 560 factory OC 925mhz
corsair gs600

So, what would you recommend ? Should i go with the 8120. Ive heard i5 2500k is the best at games, but im not gonna OC anyways and I just want to play BF3 at 50-60fps and record/livestream games etc. I cant really decide myself so what would you suggest?
PS! Intel/AMD fanboys stay out please or make a really really good statement on why I should buy that, i want to hear stuff from rational people. (I know the end I will have to choose, but i know there are a lot of smart people on here to nudge me in the right direction.)

Thanks!

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April 11, 2012 4:32:45 PM

Completely your call. If you're wanting 60+fps you're best bet is the 6100, 8120 or I5 2500k. They are all capable. Your biggest need will be the GPU with those as the CPU will be the bottleneck. Even the 4170 would be ok but won't grow with you as future games will be able to take advantage of more cores.
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April 11, 2012 4:33:11 PM

well its the most expensive and with that i also have to get the 68 chipset mboard which will cost me a lot !
Can you please tell me WHY i should buy the 2500k ?
April 11, 2012 4:36:08 PM

First of all you said there was no budget, secondly you do not need a 68 chipset mboard and thirdly you are better off with intel then amd
April 11, 2012 4:39:40 PM

@kramedrk
Youre saying my GPU will bottleneck 6100, 8120 or 2500k ? Which one should I get then, what would yo usuggest.

@seumas_beathan
Why wont i need the 68 mboard and why would i be better off with intel ? I mean, fx8120 has 8 cores and 2500k only 4
April 11, 2012 4:43:07 PM

No, the CPU will always be the bottleneck with most of the newer cards when playing. Your frame rates will still be 60+ with any of the above processors (the 4100 is a slowest). Personally I would go with what falls within your budget (even though you don't have one.) If your goal is playing those two games and having some growth in the future go with the 8120. If you want the best on the list, that's the 2500.

The fx8120 has 8 core, but that's also not entirely true. The 2500k is going to faster speeds than the 8120. But if it were me I would save the 30 euro and go the 8120. I could be happy with any of them. Stay away from the 4100 though.
April 11, 2012 4:44:59 PM

With intel you have more upgrade potential, ivy bridge, haswell etc

You only need a 68 board if you will be doing overclocking, you said that you will not be, therefore a 40 euro h61 board would be fine,

Here is some benchmarks comparing the 8150 with the 2500k, the 8120 wasnt there and the 8150 is a better chip but yet the 2500k hammers it - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=434
April 11, 2012 4:47:47 PM

Ok, well the i5 really does hammer it...
Anyways - the default clock is 3.3ghz, how much can i nudge it up with a stock cooler + i have a good case with gpu going 50 in gaming, cpu is 55 in gaming and at idle gpu is 30 and cpu 35-40
April 11, 2012 4:49:39 PM

Well you would need either a p67 or z68 board to overlcock but you could easily get it to about 4.2ghz

You can get a cheap 30 euro cooler which would allow you to overclock to about 4.8ghz
April 11, 2012 4:50:24 PM

You're changing what you're looking for. "If i could get a solid 60fps with the FX-4170 then I would buy that - thats my priority. "

Can you get a solid 60fps with the 6100 or 8120 - Yes. Is the 2500k the "best" - yes. Pick what you want. I'd save the 30euro.
April 11, 2012 4:52:43 PM

Well, there must be something wrong with the AMD processor, if an "old" 2500k hammers it and its a 8 core processor, why is it 30 euros cheaper than the 2500k ?

And yes, i was changing for what i was looking for.
I want the best performance/value that would not fail me when it comes to playing battlefield3, diablo3 and guild wars 2 and which would also be powerful enough for fraps video recording during playing (making youtube playthrough etc.) and livestreaming.
So, should i go with 2500k and p67 or fx8120 and a "random" am3+
April 11, 2012 4:53:34 PM

kramerdk said:
You're changing what you're looking for. "If i could get a solid 60fps with the FX-4170 then I would buy that - thats my priority. "

Can you get a solid 60fps with the 6100 or 8120 - Yes. Is the 2500k the "best" - yes. Pick what you want. I'd save the 30euro.


Well then you would be making a big mistake, 30 euro really is not much at all and if you can get a much better cpu you should spend it, the 2500k also runs and cooler
April 11, 2012 4:54:27 PM

cheti said:
Well, there must be something wrong with the AMD processor, if an "old" 2500k hammers it and its a 8 core processor, why is it 30 euros cheaper than the 2500k ?

And yes, i was changing for what i was looking for.
I want the best performance/value that would not fail me when it comes to playing battlefield3, diablo3 and guild wars 2 and which would also be powerful enough for fraps video recording during playing (making youtube playthrough etc.) and livestreaming.
So, should i go with 2500k and p67 or fx8120 and a "random" am3+



Yes you should go with the 2500k and a decent p67
April 11, 2012 4:59:05 PM

Alright, so this is where I need help aswell:

http://arvutikeskus.ee/

Thats the only decent pricing estonian website for comptuer parts, if you have google chrome or you can speak estonian/russian/finnish please check it out and find the best(cheapest) p67/p68 mboard for the i5 2500k and check if it works well with the rest of my pc components:

corsair vengeance 2x4gb
corsair gs600 600w psu
5400rpm hdd (im planning to buy an ssd in the future)
bitfenix merc beta computer case (4 front usb headers that i will be using)
1 intake system fan at the back of my case(im planning to add 1 outtake)
nvidia geforce 560gtx factory OC 925mhz

Thanks a lot for your trouble!
April 11, 2012 5:57:53 PM

Yh the one you have liinked is actually better, go fo that one
April 11, 2012 8:08:47 PM

Like I said, he's changing what he wants and you can't read.
April 11, 2012 8:35:15 PM

Have the same drive. Love it.
April 11, 2012 8:50:54 PM

if i get the i5 + p68 i cant get the ssd and have to stick to my shitty 5400rpm old hdd which has bad sectors..
April 12, 2012 12:38:12 PM

Do what you want but i really would not recommend getting the amd cpu
April 12, 2012 12:50:32 PM

So how would this work with the rest of my specs:
http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN... - CPU
http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN... - MOBO
http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN... - SSD for os and a couple of games

My current specs:
gigabyte ep43t ud3l
corsair vengeance 2x4gb 1333mhz
pentium dual core e6500 2.9ghz
gtx 560 factory oc 925mhz
corsair gs600
bitfenix merc beta case
5400rpm hdd sata2

So, i only want to replace the mobo and cpu and add an ssd for os and leave the hdd for storage.
Would this work out perfectly without conflicts?
April 12, 2012 1:54:48 PM

Really can't read - he said no fanboys. Wow. Dude, just make your mind up and go with it. Both are good processors.
April 12, 2012 2:00:13 PM

So, should i go with the fx8120, its a lot cheaper.
I dont want to get an fx8120 and later regret it with bad performance in bf3/diablo3/gw2 or recording games/livestreaming games.. :/ 
April 12, 2012 2:06:57 PM

Look. It's about what you want. I'm not a fanboy of either. I have an I3 running some apps and an AMD 960T running in my HTPC. The 8120 with a decent GPU and the SSD will get you the framerates you want. If future games come up supporting more than 4 cores, you're future proofed in that regard. Both processors will do what you want (stated goal of 60+FPS). If that's ALL you're looking for, the 8120 satisfies that goal. If you're looking for THE BEST out there today and want to smash everything else, then the I5-2500k meets that requirement. You're call, but take everything someone on here says with a grain of salt. There are people on here who are so ANTI-AMD they wouldn't take a free system with an AMD processor in it. It ultimately comes down to what you want and what you want to spend.

Ask the question that makes the most sense for you, read reviews, etc. Also remember that benchmarks are just that, benchmarks. Real world usage varies, and most review sites slant Intel. Also note, that AMD benchmarks easily meet the demands of any of today's games.
April 12, 2012 2:26:17 PM

What about game recording and livestreaming ? Can it handle that - if yes, ill get it
April 12, 2012 2:32:00 PM

Livestreaming - yes, game recording - probably. Don't know as I've never done any game recording, but I would suspect that there is still enough cpu power left over to deal with this.
April 12, 2012 2:38:59 PM

Well, i just browsed through all the am3+ mobos at our basically only store and there arent ANY mobos that have atleast 1 sata3 and atleast 1 sata2 port..
April 12, 2012 2:50:54 PM

Why do you need sata 2 ports? If the board has multiple sata 3 ports you will be fine.
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April 12, 2012 2:52:24 PM

AMD:

Asus Crosshair V Formula 990FX
FX 8120

INTEL

i5 3570K to be released
Asus Maximus Extreme V Z77

GPU:

Personal favorite is Crossfiring HD 7870 OC from either Gigabyte windforce or MSI twin frozr III, the 7870 overclocks like a beast, can hit P10000+ on a single 7870 in 3DMark 11
April 12, 2012 3:03:05 PM

sarinaide: unless that crosshair v forumula 990fx costs 50 euros, i wont be buying it + i already have a gtx 560.

kramerdk: cause my hdd is a sata2 and ssd is sata3
April 12, 2012 3:46:25 PM

SATA 3 ports are backward compatible with SATA 2 devices. Find a MB with multiple sata 3 ports and you're good to go.
April 12, 2012 3:47:42 PM

Alright, they all use the same SATA cable right ?
April 12, 2012 3:51:06 PM

SATA 3 cables will work backwards. Don't get SATA 2 cables and expect SATA 3 speeds.
April 12, 2012 4:32:40 PM

kramerdk said:
Really can't read - he said no fanboys. Wow. Dude, just make your mind up and go with it. Both are good processors.



Are you calling me a fanboy? If so then I am going to politely tell you to be quiet :D 
I, my good sir am no fanboy, I really like the llano cpu's but in this situation getting the 8120 would be stupid as it runs hot and is bascilly utter crap
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April 12, 2012 5:01:13 PM

Consider a FX4170/6100(if not to much more) with a Gigabyte 970 UD3, since you are not going to run a dual GPU setup, the mobo is perfect.
April 12, 2012 5:13:05 PM

But he has already said that he could buy a 2500k with a z68 mobo and an ssd which is far better than any amd processor
April 12, 2012 5:25:40 PM

nonono, i have a budget...
with 2500k and z68 i cant buy a ssd
with fx8120 and a 40euro mobo i can buy an ssd
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April 12, 2012 6:27:22 PM

I don't really know how, if you take US reference pricing the 2500K is $30 more than a 8120 and 990FX boards at the highest end is maybe $250. For $250 dollars you get upper mid range motherboards on the Intel platform.
April 13, 2012 10:39:07 PM

Fanboy :) 

Go with the 8120. The current llano series is ok for certain uses, but again those are limited. I looked at the llano for the HTPC and it was good, but didn't have the umph that I was looking for the transcode/remux certain files.

Like I've said, the 2500k smashes the FX series in certain tasks (most of them) but in the real world are those going to be noticable? Probably not.
April 14, 2012 2:32:17 PM

kramerdk said:
Fanboy :) 

Go with the 8120. The current llano series is ok for certain uses, but again those are limited. I looked at the llano for the HTPC and it was good, but didn't have the umph that I was looking for the transcode/remux certain files.

Like I've said, the 2500k smashes the FX series in certain tasks (most of them) but in the real world are those going to be noticable? Probably not.


Sorry for being rude, but seriously are you an idiot, The 2500k with give you literally about 70% more fps than the 8120, no that not noticeable at all is it
April 14, 2012 2:50:28 PM

not possible, that it gives 70% more fps.. i jut wont believe that...
and its not ALL about fps, its fx8120 handles frapsing and livestreaming better when it comes to recording/livestreaming battlefield3, guild wars 2 and such games... wont it ?
will 2500k handle recording/livestreaming better ?
April 14, 2012 3:00:37 PM

Here is the 2500k compared with the 8150 which is a superior model to the 8120, as you can see 2500k gives up to 130% increase in fps over the 8150 and in most cases it gives at least 40-50% increase
April 14, 2012 3:08:34 PM

here where ?
April 14, 2012 3:26:45 PM

hmmh... yeah
but when it comes to recording and livestreaming battlefield 3 and guild wars 2

how will the 2500k handle that compared to fx8120 ?
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