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April 12, 2012 11:57:38 AM

Alright, so im gonna upgrade from my pentium dual core e6500 and gigabyte ep43t ud3l to a new mobo/cpu combo.
I chose AMD FX8120 for the cpu and now the mobo: I know it has to be an am3+ but what else ? For example if i was going with the i5 i knew it had to be p67/p68 and 1155 socket. So... what should i know about am3+ mobos and cpus ?

As for the other OFFTOPIC part: Im getting an SSD, atm my 5400rpm hdd is using a SATA2 cable, so for the SSD: corsair force 60gb i should get a mobo that supports sata3 ?

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April 12, 2012 12:06:37 PM

why exactly are you going with the amd processor? what are you planning to do with it?

the i5 2500k will outperform it in almost every situation, for around the same price.
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April 12, 2012 12:11:49 PM

Basically look sround for AM3+ mobos and find one that serves all your harware needs, like the SATA3 you asked about. If you plan on getting an SSD find one with SATA3 ports, if you have or plan on using crossfire find one that will support it etc.
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April 12, 2012 12:17:50 PM

Considering the computer usage the best decision could be go towards the Sandy-bridge (Ivy-bridge) Cpus. What will be your usage? Games? Rendering videos?
April 12, 2012 12:19:12 PM

Games (battlefield 3, diablo 3, guild wars 2) and fraps recording, streaming games on twitch/justin
April 12, 2012 1:56:07 PM

ROFLMAO!
April 12, 2012 1:57:00 PM

Yes, get sata 3 support.
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April 12, 2012 2:58:12 PM

cheti said:
Alright, so im gonna upgrade from my pentium dual core e6500 and gigabyte ep43t ud3l to a new mobo/cpu combo.
I chose AMD FX8120 for the cpu and now the mobo: I know it has to be an am3+ but what else ? For example if i was going with the i5 i knew it had to be p67/p68 and 1155 socket. So... what should i know about am3+ mobos and cpus ?

As for the other OFFTOPIC part: Im getting an SSD, atm my 5400rpm hdd is using a SATA2 cable, so for the SSD: corsair force 60gb i should get a mobo that supports sata3 ?


Asus Crosshair V formula or Asrock Fatality 990FX.

Alternatively; MSI 990FX GD80
April 12, 2012 3:07:36 PM

why do i need a 140 euro mobo with an fx8120 cpu ?
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April 12, 2012 3:20:17 PM

cheti said:
why do i need a 140 euro mobo with an fx8120 cpu ?


You don't necessarily need a 140 euro mobo, but you haven't stated if you want to crossfire/sli. The mobos sarinade suggested are very good high end boards, with crossfire/sli capabilities. However, if you are not interested in crossfire/sli then I would suggest a 970-based AM3+ motherboard such as this:

ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have learned the hard way over the years to not skimp on the motherboard. Even if you are building a basic system, get a quality motherboard as the foundation of your system.

Most, if not all, AM3+ motherboards will have SATA 3 ports, so don't worry about that.
April 12, 2012 3:22:48 PM

yeah, they have sata 3 ports, but i need sata2 aswell since my hdd is sata2..
April 12, 2012 3:24:31 PM

well with that motherboard + fx8120 its only like 20 euros cheaper than an 2500k so i might as well get the 2500k...
April 12, 2012 3:32:33 PM

welshmousepk said:
why exactly are you going with the amd processor? what are you planning to do with it?

the i5 2500k will outperform it in almost every situation, for around the same price.



This. The CPU tests done here consistently indicate that intel can hand AMD their asses in performance for a similar price.
April 12, 2012 3:33:36 PM

yes but how much will an intel based mobo with sata 3 native usb 3
and all the high end features you require cost ?
April 12, 2012 3:35:27 PM

cheti said:
yeah, they have sata 3 ports, but i need sata2 aswell since my hdd is sata2..

No you don't. Sata ports are backwards compatable, meaning you can plug your SATAII HDD into a SATAIII port and it will read it perfectly. Mechanical drives will not even saturate a SATAII port, so do not worry about losing any speed or seeing a difference by using the SATAIII ports.
April 12, 2012 3:43:56 PM

Also those UEFI based mobo .. asus AM3+ 990 mobo's are the Shiznit pretty much the best on the market for am3+ .. ( i have a crossfire V 990fx myself) I require the pci-e x16l lanes along with the compatiblity with my solid last of the old kick ass phenom AM3' while i wait for a better than bulldozer compatible cpu.

pair it with a solid state and expect sub 10 second boots from cold ;-D


April 12, 2012 3:53:51 PM

synthaside said:
that motherboard quality wise is on par with this ... the 990- FX etc is like comparing a ford with a ferrari of mobo

http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN...

the point of your post was really hard to understand, sorry.
are you saying the mobo you linked is good or bad ?
April 12, 2012 3:59:48 PM

Just get a H77 OR Z77 Chipset that store has them in stock, they are better value for money than P67/Z68.
April 12, 2012 4:05:40 PM

what im saying is , if you wanted to get an AMD motherboard that was the same quality as the one you linked for intel ... then the one i have just linked would work for you

http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN...

The the expensive AMD board has lots of extra features its not fair to compare the gigabyte to the cheaper intel board it as its a completely differnt product both may be good motherboards but ones very differnt has more ports features slots etc
April 12, 2012 4:14:18 PM

well, the one you linked doesent have sata3 ports, so i cant use that
April 12, 2012 4:15:10 PM

synthaside said:
what im saying is , if you wanted to get an AMD motherboard that was the same quality as the one you linked for intel ... then the one i have just linked would work for you

http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN...

The the expensive AMD board has lots of extra features its not fair to compare the gigabyte to the cheaper intel board it as its a completely differnt product both may be good motherboards but ones very differnt has more ports features slots etc



It is not just about the motherboard but also the CPU that will be paired with it the i5 2500K has substantially better performance than the FX-8120 for the same amount of money.
April 12, 2012 4:43:41 PM

i5 + the motherboard for i5 is 192 + 80 euros
fx8120 + the mobo for fx8120 is 166 + 60 euros

thats basically the money for an ssd.
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April 12, 2012 4:57:09 PM

In a gaming environment considering most of the performance comes from a the GPU, the real world experience is not noticeable, synthetics suggest varying margins but the FX chips all game well over the minimum playable frame rates, paired with a strong GPU will game exceptionally well. The FX is proficient where you load up the threads, in high thread scenario's are required the FX will match and in instances beat Intel i7 chips with CMT being more efficient than HT at a lower cost.

Having tested and benched a number of builds I will say that you will be happy with a Intel setup, but that in no means suggests that a AMD setup cannot do what you need it to do. In any event I would 1] Wait for Ivy Bridge or 2] Wait for Piledriver, with IB coming soon it is probably more in your interest to do that.
April 12, 2012 5:27:06 PM

i dont want to have the best ultimnate gaming setup, i just want to get 60+fps and if an i5 2500k gives 65 fps and fx8120 gives 63 fps and is 50 euro cheaper then i dont really care about the 2 fps loss :D  thats my point
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April 12, 2012 5:39:01 PM

get a 970 or higher motherboard
April 12, 2012 5:46:46 PM

ye but it will cost me evne more than an i5 and p68 then... not worth it, might aswell get 2500k with p68 then..
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April 12, 2012 6:17:45 PM


AMD PhII 965BE: 104.30 €

You can use the Gigabyte 970-chipset AM3+ motherboard at 68 €, or get really fancy with the 990XA-UD3 at 92 €
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April 12, 2012 6:23:14 PM

1] are you going to overclock

if yes then get the 2500K if no then get a i5 2400.

2] Biostar and ECS make cheap Z68 boards with enough features at a knock off price, the problem being the overall quality and warranties, its a sacrifice you have to consider.

3] FX 4170 with 970 or better may be all you really need but the 6100 or better will give you more play in other apps. AMD setups are almost certainly cheaper than Intel considering you get higher end equipment, you can still get lower end stuff with AMD to, ie: ECS 990FX is a cheap motherboard with all the features, but obviously the quality and warranty may be considerations.

or as Wisecracker stated, get a Phenom II 960T or 970 with a 990XA UD3.
April 12, 2012 6:31:01 PM

1) I dont honestly know - Ive never overclocked anything (even my gpu is a factory OC that i havnt touched). How far can i push a 2500k with stock cooling ? If like 4ghz+ then i will get the 2500k. I have a good airflow case (current pentium dual core e6500 runs at 50-55C while playing bf3. GPU is like 45-50C.

2) I dont have Biostar and ECS mobos at my local shop and i dont want really crap stuff that i have to replace and that fail 20 times.

3) Well i want a cpu that can handle 60+ fps at bf3 and that can handle recording and livestreaming. Thats all i need:

I want a PC that can run bf3 at 60fps.
That i can record gameplay of bf3/diablo3/gw2 etc with a seperate hdd that i have
To livestream my gameplay.

Thats all im going to use my pc for (and ofc web surfing, schoolwork etc.)
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April 12, 2012 6:44:35 PM

I would agree, http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN...

is the best value for what your looking for. Its limited to 2 video cards, but very few people even gat past 1.

The thing is, even though the SSD is stata III 6gb, it will still work in a stata 2 mb. the issue is even with it being a SSD, it can't run faster than its maximum bandwidth. a good read on performance pairing SSD with Sata ports.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sata-6gbps-performa...

Basically it takes a fast SSD drive to see the benefit of Sata III, wich is why some of the 760G boards are still good, even though they don't have Sata III ports.

As for performance, the 8120 can do BF3 maxed out on 2x 6970 (1900x1200 ultra 4xmsaa) and even while playing with fraps recording, I can still maintain over 80+fps minimum in 64-player maps.
April 12, 2012 7:06:04 PM

So basically, that mobo + fx8120 will do me good 60fps in bf3 with a gtx 560 OC ? :) 
Maybe ill get a 580 in a few months or so :)  That setup will guarantee me a good performance in latest games ?
April 12, 2012 7:06:33 PM

Here is the deal , all the benchmarks are made with just the single process running.
But in a real world scenario, as u said you want to stream , tehn probably you want to have a chat, then a borwser open, here is where the 8 cores of the 8120 come in to use.
If you get the i5 you will get 70+ fps but when u do streaming, etc, then the quad core will not give u 60+ fps it will give u 20+ fps.
The fx will give u a constant frame rate.
Then as pointed out earlier a AMD build costs less than a intel one, so then get the AMD.
With windows 8 you will get 10-20 % gain with AMD FX and 5-10$ with the Intel sandy bridge
This is all i can say.
Good luck
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April 12, 2012 7:14:08 PM

cheti said:
So basically, that mobo + fx8120 will do me good 60fps in bf3 with a gtx 560 OC ? :) 
Maybe ill get a 580 in a few months or so :)  That setup will guarantee me a good performance in latest games ?

the 8120 will be able to give the gtx 560 as much as it can handle, as well as the gtx 580. one thing id recommend is an easy simple overclock thats guaranteed to work. The chip will run at 4.0 ghz on turbo, so when you get it up and going, push the base clock to 4.0 ghz. Every 8120 will run fine at that setting even with the stock cooler. to go much higher than 4.0 id recommend a better air cooler.

Just make sure to update the bios when you get the motherboard, early bios revisions had some compatibility issues with memory, simple fix with bios update.
April 12, 2012 7:18:11 PM

Umm, i might need help with that since im getting an ssd - formating my current hdd(os) and leaving it for storage. I heard updating bios is *** and i should never touch that... but basically - after the upgrade im gonna be having this:

gtx 560 factory oc 925mhz
corsair gs600 (600w)
corsair vengeance 2x4gb 1333mhz 1.5V ddr3
hdd 5400rpm sata2
corsair force 60gb ssd sata3
amd fx8120
http://www.gigabyte.my/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4... - MOBO
http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/chassis/merc... - case

Are all these parts compatible and will work 100% without conflict ?
What should I do first after getting the parts and after installing them in my case - formatting my HDD and starting to install windows 7 ultimate 64bit on my ssd.
April 12, 2012 7:22:40 PM

I would recommend you to update your bios before installing OS on your SSD.
Like the corsair force SSD , how much does it cost and can you give me a link to the shops were you buy these components so maybe i can give a better recommendation.
April 12, 2012 7:34:06 PM

How do i update the bios without an OS ? Is there anything else specific i should do to get max performance and overclocking ability?

This is the only store i can buy stuff from Estonia and has decent prices: http://www.arvutikeskus.ee

http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN... - SSD
http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN... - MOBO
http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN... - CPU

I have the rest of the specs already (gpu, ram, psu etc. and i wont be upgrading these in the near future)
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April 12, 2012 7:51:39 PM

Gigabyte has a really easy to use program inside windows

http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3...

Download @bios and it will do the work for you. What I would do when you get the system is see if it will boot up in widnows from your old hdd. Sometimes going from an intel board to an AMD board will not allow windows to boot at all.

If it does boot, use the system for a while, 1-2 hrs to make sure it doesn't crash. Last thing you want is a system crash while updating the bios.

If it runs without issues, then update the bios with that software. then proceed to reinstalling windows on the SSD. I have used the @bios program on 4 different motherboards without any issues, other than one time having to manually download the bios file itself because it couldn't find the server. http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3...

updating a bios outside of windows usually reuqires a floppy drive, wich most people don't have anymore.
April 12, 2012 7:53:26 PM

cheti said:
How do i update the bios without an OS ? Is there anything else specific i should do to get max performance and overclocking ability?

This is the only store i can buy stuff from Estonia and has decent prices: http://www.arvutikeskus.ee

http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN... - SSD
http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN... - MOBO
http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN... - CPU

I have the rest of the specs already (gpu, ram, psu etc. and i wont be upgrading these in the near future)


I am not sure about the perfomance of the COrsair SSD.
The review of a crucial SSD :
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4253/the-crucial-m4-micro...
Link in the shop
http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN...
and the Agility 3 has this review :
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4346/ocz-agility-3-240gb-...
link in the shop
http://arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/ARVUTIKOMPONEN...

I would go with one of these instead of the Corsair one because the Corsair one does not have any reliable reviews.
April 12, 2012 8:00:24 PM

Alright, ill go with the crucial one :p  its 64gigs aswell :p 
as far of the BIOS update - is it absolutely necessray ? Cant i just go with the mobo drivers from the cd and the gpu driver from nvidia.com ? thats what i have atm.
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April 12, 2012 8:12:06 PM

you can try to run without a bios update, but as i said, there were some memory issues with early bios. if you have any issues with the system, an update is a must.

one of the issues was that unrecognized memory would run in single channel mode even though there are 2 memory sticks. If the system seems slow, it may be. Then again, it may run fine.
April 12, 2012 8:25:55 PM

Alright, well... im a bit afraid to update my bios since people have fcked up theyr whole mobo for doing that and guarantee wont do a thing if the mobo was destroyed cause of me.
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April 12, 2012 8:31:29 PM

the @bios program locks the system when its updating to protect that from happening, but some people get scared when that happens and hit the power button instead of waiting for it to finish.

Thats about the only way it can fk up by user error. If you have random power outages, id be leery of updating.
April 12, 2012 8:35:58 PM

So what i do is:
Install the new stuff (mobo, cpu, ssd) - See if the windows runs up and test its stability - if its stable i download the @bios and update the bios to the latest driver

If the drive doesent boot - i insert a windows disc - format my current hdd and install OS on an ssd and repeat the bios updating
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April 12, 2012 8:36:11 PM

Nothing wrong with any of the mobo's suggested but if you would like to save a couple bucks without sacrificing any quality or peace of mind check out the Asrock 970 extreme 3. It's about $80 US and has all of the features of more expensive boards.

SATA 3
USB 3.0
2X PCI-e X-16 slots
125W support
8X CPU support
UEFI BIOS
Tons of fan headers
and a bunch of other nice little features

I personally own this board and have unlocked phenoms and overclocked phenom's and FX's without any issues. I really do recommend it.
April 12, 2012 8:40:57 PM

Oh yeah, i read that some mboos have 95W or 125W support, what does that mean ?
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April 12, 2012 9:43:10 PM

cheti said:
e// Oh that mobo supporst 95W and 125W fx8120

Should i get this mobo then:
http://www.arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/asrock/ASR...
or this
http://www.arvutikeskus.ee/est/TOOTEKATALOOG/asrock/ASR...


Yup that's the one. I have never been happier with any other mobo I have owned, with all the features I got on this thing iI almost feel like I stole it lol. The difference in 95W vs 125W support is just the CPU's that can be used, some CPU's are 95W some are 125W. 95W CPU's will work on 125W boards, 125W CPU's will not work on 95W boards.

Nothing wrong with the gigabyte either, only beef is that when both PCI-e slot are used (Crossfire) only one actually runs at 16X, the other defaults to 8X :( 
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