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January 2, 2012 9:43:00 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: none yet.

Budget Range: 500euros / $650.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, surfing the internet.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: doesn't matter.

Country: Malta.

Parts Preferences: w/e you think is best :D 

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050
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January 2, 2012 9:50:07 AM
January 2, 2012 9:57:12 AM

Well...that went nowhere :/ 
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January 2, 2012 10:02:24 AM

sosofm said:
Cpu is AMD 960T what can unlocked in six core with the motherboard wath is in wishlist. http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Sub...

960t is a junky CPU that is merely a binned x6 that needs to stay on 4 cores to be just on par with a Phenom II x4 955 but the difference is the 955 can clock higher with better thermals and no games use 6 cores anyway especially 6 slower cores like on the 960t this is a real bad buy.
January 2, 2012 10:04:41 AM

x101 said:
Well...that went nowhere :/ 

Hang tight I will build you the best you will get for $650 budget build.
January 2, 2012 10:06:05 AM

x101 said:
Well...that went nowhere :/ 

Don't buy that 960t it is the crapper chip out of the Phenom IIs
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January 2, 2012 10:11:59 AM

Maybe i could do a little better. 960T is a great chip. It can be overclocked verry well and its cooler than Deneb. You can not to unlock and you have from AMD the cheapest Phenom quad core. The other option is the Buldozer quad core.
January 2, 2012 10:15:12 AM

sosofm said:
Maybe i could do a little better. 960T is a great chip. It can be overclocked verry well and its cooler than Deneb. You can not to unlock and you have from AMD the cheapest Phenom quad core. The other option is the Buldozer quad core.

Its cooler than a Deneb chip because it is less powerful and has a lower TDP limit because it is the lowest binned Phenom II chip you can get between Deneb and Zosma plus 6 cores are not used in gaming which is what this build is for and Deneb overclocks better with higher TDP limit.
January 2, 2012 10:18:25 AM

x101 said:
Approximate Purchase Date: none yet.

Budget Range: 500euros / $650.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, surfing the internet.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: doesn't matter.

Country: Malta.

Parts Preferences: w/e you think is best :D 

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050

Just swap out the CPU from sosofm build and if you want you could save money on the mobo and optical drive if you don't need it I recommend a USB optical drive but his build is all good less the 960t chip that is terrible it is the worst Phenom II out of all the Thuban, Zosma, and Deneb chips.
January 2, 2012 10:20:58 AM

sosofm build ?
January 2, 2012 10:21:42 AM

sooo
what should i change for the cpu
January 2, 2012 10:30:34 AM

I'm really new to this, umm does that work on the mobo sosofm said am3+ am3 or is that the same
January 2, 2012 10:34:05 AM

x101 said:
I'm really new to this, umm does that work on the mobo sosofm said am3+ am3 or is that the same

Yes it works on AM3 both of those mobo he selected will work just fine however if you want to listen to me I can build you a rig that will be cheaper and work better for gaming and multimedia while saving you cash.
January 2, 2012 10:37:08 AM

Well i got nothing to lose for now i guess :D 
January 2, 2012 1:32:41 PM

Still open for more suggestions
January 2, 2012 1:52:39 PM

Socket LGA 1155 will offer a way better upgrade path than AM3+. That means you should go with i3 2100, it's a dual core beast that beats phenom II x4's when it comes to gaming. Something like this should be good enough:

i3 2100 - 125$
Asrock Z68 Pro3 - 110$
Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 - 145$ with rebates
Antec 300 - 50$ with rebates
Corsair CX500 500w - 50$ after rebates
G.Skill Ripjaws 8gb - 43$

Total: 523$ leaving enough money for a good hdd and a dvd r/w.

Prices are from newegg.com
January 2, 2012 2:20:36 PM

Can you put links pls :p 
January 2, 2012 2:43:16 PM
January 2, 2012 4:43:32 PM

x101 said:
Can you put links pls :p 

I wouldn't bother with Intel because on a budget like yours you get more for your dollar by going with AMD like 4 cores that you can overclock and even 6 cores whereas for the same price Intel gets you an un Overclockable dualcore and then you need a more expensive MOBO to run it so it costs more for less by going with Intel because for the same price on the Mobo AMD gets you more features and better value all around.
January 2, 2012 4:48:54 PM

What do you suggest then ?
January 2, 2012 5:02:05 PM

x101 said:
What do you suggest then ?

I suggested to you to get the Phenom II x4 955 Deneb plus a good board for it only costs $70
January 2, 2012 5:02:50 PM

Hmm :/ 
January 2, 2012 5:08:12 PM

Yes, the phenom ii x4 955 is a quad core BUT in gaming it performs a little worse than i3 2100 and if he ever plans on upgrading socket LGA 1155 will offer a far better upgrade path. It's up to you, x101...

Some benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289

i3 2100 and P IIx4 955 are pretty similar in performance, and 2 more physical cores may and probably will prove to be quite useful, but socket 1155 upgrade path is so good i really see no point in going with am3+.

EDIT: And BTW. 6 cores don't seem to increase performance in gaming.
EDIT 2: For 600$ you might as well go with this month's system builder marathon 600 dollar PC. It will be a lot faster than both sosofm's and my build. But beware, it has a pretty low end board. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/core-i5-overclock-perform...
January 2, 2012 5:14:59 PM

4eyed said:
Yes, the phenom ii x4 955 is a quad core BUT in gaming it performs a little worse than i3 2100 and if he ever plans on upgrading socket LGA 1155 will offer a far better upgrade path. It's up to you, x101...

Some benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289

i3 2100 and P IIx4 955 are pretty similar in performance, and 2 more physical cores may and probably will prove to be quite useful, but socket 1155 upgrade path is so good i really see no point in going with am3+.

EDIT: And BTW. 6 cores don't seem to increase performance in gaming.

The overclocked Phenom II 955 is every bit as good of a gamer as the 2 core Intel 2100 plus it has 4 cores so you can actually play games like the witcher 2 and GTA 4 which absolutely need a quad core.
January 2, 2012 5:16:31 PM

4eyed said:
Yes, the phenom ii x4 955 is a quad core BUT in gaming it performs a little worse than i3 2100 and if he ever plans on upgrading socket LGA 1155 will offer a far better upgrade path. It's up to you, x101...

Some benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289

i3 2100 and P IIx4 955 are pretty similar in performance, and 2 more physical cores may and probably will prove to be quite useful, but socket 1155 upgrade path is so good i really see no point in going with am3+.

EDIT: And BTW. 6 cores don't seem to increase performance in gaming.
EDIT 2: For 600$ you might as well go with this month's system builder marathon 600 dollar PC. It will be a lot faster than both sosofm's and my build. But beware, it has a pretty low end board. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/core-i5-overclock-perform...

Plus in BF3 the 955 will clean up compared to the intel 2100.
January 2, 2012 5:16:50 PM

what if i don't overclock
January 2, 2012 5:17:14 PM

Headspin_69 said:
The overclocked Phenom II 955 is every bit as good of a gamer as the 2 core Intel 2100 plus it has 4 cores so you can actually play games like the witcher 2 and GTA 4 which absolutely need a quad core.


Yes, i know, but just look at am3+ upgrade path. It's horrible.
January 2, 2012 5:20:17 PM

4eyed said:
Yes, i know, but just look at am3+ upgrade path. It's horrible.

What do you mean the BD 8150 has the same performance as 2500K and we are not talkiong about that price range here and when he is looking to upgrade down the road there will be better and cheaper options from AMD it is not down and out like you think LOL and in this context for the OP it is just fine and dual cores suck.
January 2, 2012 5:22:45 PM

x101 said:
what if i don't overclock

i would not go with a dual core for a gaming rig some games are not even playable on a dual core CPU do you want to take that risk and be forced to spend more money sooner than later.
January 2, 2012 5:26:58 PM

8150 benchmark convinced me. If you can't get something like this month's 600$ SMB PC, get the 955.

EDIT: Wait a minute, for 60$ more you get the same performance as the 2500k? That doesn't seem very good to me.
January 2, 2012 5:27:22 PM

4eyed said:
You should take a look at this: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/core-i5-overclock-perform...

Because of the crazy hdd prices, this will probably cost around 650$, so perfect for your budget.

Good build however it being a gamer rig it what the OP needs it would be better to get a Phenom II 955 and put the savings into Graphics horsepower where it counts the most.
January 2, 2012 5:32:45 PM

4eyed said:
8150 benchmark convinced me. If you can't get something like this month's 600$ SMB PC, get the 955.

EDIT: Wait a minute, for 60$ more you get the same performance as the 2500k? That doesn't seem very good to me.

This is today we are talking about for the OP and the OP is not going 2500K today at this price point but down the road when OP needs and upgrade AMD and Intel will have better cheaper option.
January 2, 2012 5:34:29 PM

I suggest the 960t as its larger die dissipates heat better than the 955. Mine OCes to 4GHz on stock cooling. It unlocks to 6 cores but one of those cores forces me to run 3GHz at only 1.2 volts. Due to its great OC as a quad I have order a cooler master 212 plus so I run it full time at 4GHz as it does get near its thermal limit currently. I would skip the i3 as its only a dual core and as more games get more threads it will begin losing.

If you get the extreme3 make sure you have a side panel case fan blowing on the chipset as mine was hitting 62c. After putting a fan there it runs fine at 53c. ASrock rally needs a chipset fan on this motherboard. I highly suggest buying a 120mm fan for your case for the side panel.
Cooler Master 120mm fan for 7.99.
January 2, 2012 5:37:28 PM

Yeah... I guess i've gone a bit offtopic with Intel vs. AMD. You're right, AMD is a better choice today.
January 2, 2012 5:39:21 PM

according to headspin 960t is a crappy cpu
January 2, 2012 5:42:00 PM

elbert said:
I suggest the 960t as its larger die dissipates heat better than the 955. Mine OCes to 4GHz on stock cooling. It unlocks to 6 cores but one of those cores forces me to run 3GHz at only 1.2 volts. Due to its great OC as a quad I have order a master cooler 212 plus so I run it full time at 4GHz as it does get near its thermal limit currently. I would skip the i3 as its only a dual core and as more games get more threads it will begin losing.

The 960t is alright however as the Deneb architecture dies off Zosma/Thuban is all that is left however they are all based off of Deneb but Deneb has the higher TDP limit and overclocks better however 4ghz is still great for a Zosma chip but Deneb is still the king of all the Phenom IIs
January 2, 2012 5:43:39 PM

Ok, before i start blabbing about it, i must ask you x101, are you interested in the upgrade path ifmyou choose AMD?
January 2, 2012 5:47:22 PM

I might not even upgrade later on lol
January 2, 2012 5:54:28 PM

4eyed said:
Ok, before i start blabbing about it, i must ask you x101, are you interested in the upgrade path ifmyou choose AMD?

AMD is not dead at all and I have heard from a trusted source of what AMD is doing and where they are going with BD and it will turn INTEL on is head albeit just within the gaming community however this is in the future like Q2 2012 he will not be having to upgrade for more than a year by then AMD will have the price/performance crown again in the CPU department and even if they don't OP still comes out ahead.
January 2, 2012 6:04:48 PM

x101 said:
I might not even upgrade later on lol

Dude whatever you want to do and whatever anyone says AMD has it in the Price/Performance budget bracket within there Phenom II x4/x6 lineup and Intel cannot even come close.
January 2, 2012 6:26:25 PM
January 2, 2012 6:34:53 PM
January 2, 2012 6:51:04 PM

For some reason that post got posted like 20min after i wrote it. Go with AMD.
January 4, 2012 6:40:22 PM

Headspin_69 said:
The 960t is alright however as the Deneb architecture dies off Zosma/Thuban is all that is left however they are all based off of Deneb but Deneb has the higher TDP limit and overclocks better however 4ghz is still great for a Zosma chip but Deneb is still the king of all the Phenom IIs

That is 4GHz on stock cooling and not pushing the voltage past 1.3volts. I'm getting a cooler master 212 plus so I can test it at over 4GHz. Mostly I have seen on air the quads max out at 4.3GHz. I cant see given how high these CPUs goes on stock having any trouble with 4.3GHz with a good air cooler.
January 4, 2012 7:10:42 PM

elbert said:
That is 4GHz on stock cooling and not pushing the voltage past 1.3volts. I'm getting a cooler master 212 plus so I can test it at over 4GHz. Mostly I have seen on air the quads max out at 4.3GHz. I cant see given how high these CPUs goes on stock having any trouble with 4.3GHz with a good air cooler.
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6145/400030002000797241t.jpg

You will be hard pressed to see anything past or closed to 4ghz on a zosma chip
January 4, 2012 7:36:31 PM

Headspin_69 said:
You will be hard pressed to see anything past or closed to 4ghz on a zosma chip

You will be hard press to hit 4GHz on any of the quads at 1.27volts. Now with 6 cores unlocked aftermarket cooler it would be hard to hit 4GHz.


If you pick though the cores yes its a monster OCer. I dont think 4.2GHz is to bad.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2145133
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