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GeForce GTX 650 Ti Review: Nvidia's Last Graphics Card For 2012

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October 9, 2012 12:46:08 PM

Nvidia's new GeForce GTX 650 Ti is designed to fill the gap between its GeForce GTX 650 and 660. Is the GK106-based board fast enough to outmaneuver classics like the GeForce GTX 460 and Radeon HD 6850? Or, should you be looking to a 1 GB Radeon HD 7850?

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October 9, 2012 1:24:51 PM

Awesome, finally something that mainstream budget users can afford from Nvidia, been waiting for ages!
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October 9, 2012 1:25:56 PM

40% slower than the 7850 while costing 10-20% less, and 10% faster than the 7770 while costing 25% more.

That looks like a fail to me, and don't even get me started on how late this is.
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October 9, 2012 1:26:06 PM

Would be awesome if you would include HD 5770 in benchmarks vs this one too, sure its old card but would love to see how powerfull is that one compered to this one.
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October 9, 2012 1:27:56 PM

Why would you not include the GTX 660 Ti in the tests? After all, the 650 Ti and 660 Ti should be the options of the day for upgrades - why not compare them?
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October 9, 2012 1:34:41 PM

nVidia, you really need to stop gimping your bandwidth!
Seriously, such a waste of silicon that could perform quite a bit better if you just gave it a little more breathing room....
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October 9, 2012 1:37:46 PM

I assume the place where it cripple the 650TI is the 16ROP as well as the 128bit bus. But the 16ROP is probably the biggest bottleneck of the card, this is the only place where u cant be fix by any OCing at all.

With 128bit bus, they could have just leave the memory speed @ 6GHz. 5400 is pretty much ruin the thing.

Edit: btw, this is probably one of the most useful review I see for a while. 6870/6850/560/460/7770 are all there, with benchmark of AA on and off. thumbs up for u author!
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October 9, 2012 1:45:41 PM


jimbaladin40% slower than the 7850 while costing 10-20% less, and 10% faster than the 7770 while costing 25% more.That looks like a fail to me, and don't even get me started on how late this is.


The HD7850 and GTX 650ti are essentially the same price on New Egg.





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October 9, 2012 1:49:04 PM

another PhysX card I suppose..
slightly too weak for a dedicated in my book.
I said my book as in my opinion.
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October 9, 2012 1:54:58 PM

Mike-THWhy would you not include the GTX 660 Ti in the tests? After all, the 650 Ti and 660 Ti should be the options of the day for upgrades - why not compare them?


Because comparing cards in the ~150 dollar range to a card thats +280 dollars is asinine?
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October 9, 2012 2:29:23 PM

AnandTech has already released an article covering AMD officially dropping the price of the 1GB 7850 to $169 for the fall season

This means we will easily see $150 or less after rebates and officially makes this Nvidia 650ti product a total fail. I see no reason to purchase this.
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October 9, 2012 2:37:00 PM

Can the power plane of the of the diminutive 5.75" x 4" PCB can support the 100W of power? Could it result in PCB delamination over time?
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October 9, 2012 2:37:45 PM

Quote:
Iastfan112Because comparing cards in the ~150 dollar range to a card thats +280 dollars is asinine?



Not if you seriously would like to know what the performance difference was. Look at the current Video Card ratings - they cover from very low to extreme high - because people would like to know.

So - Right now, I'm looking at buying a $300 660 Ti, but if the 650 Ti can come within 20% of the performance, I might not drop the extra cash on it. But without trying to find a common benchmark between the two, there's no way to tell. Looks like I get to go benchmark hunting.
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October 9, 2012 2:46:56 PM

further read on several reviews said that most if not all of 650ti use 6GHz hynix RAM. So why are they clocking it @ 5400? 128bit + 6Ghz is not going to hurt 660.

Nvidia are doing stupid thing here :/ 
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October 9, 2012 2:50:32 PM

How about EVGA's Super Superclocked Impersonation of the 650Ti? I really want Tom's Hardware to take a look at that one.
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October 9, 2012 2:50:37 PM

Found a comparative benchmark between 650ti and 660ti - in the GPGPU benchmarks. The games tests all have different settings between the 650ti and 660ti reviews, so they aren't a true comparison.

I used this as the 660ti review to compare benchmarks against for the games : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-...
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October 9, 2012 2:54:16 PM

Mike-THNot if you seriously would like to know what the performance difference was. Look at the current Video Card ratings - they cover from very low to extreme high - because people would like to know.So - Right now, I'm looking at buying a $300 660 Ti, but if the 650 Ti can come within 20% of the performance, I might not drop the extra cash on it. But without trying to find a common benchmark between the two, there's no way to tell. Looks like I get to go benchmark hunting.


Mike-THFound a comparative benchmark between 650ti and 660ti - in the GPGPU benchmarks. The games tests all have different settings between the 650ti and 660ti reviews, so they aren't a true comparison. I used this as the 660ti review to compare benchmarks against for the games : http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,3279.html


The 660 non-Ti has a roughly 50% lead on average over the 650 Ti. This 650 Ti obviously doesn't come anywhere near the 660 Ti. You shouldn't need the 660 Ti in this to know that.
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October 9, 2012 3:05:27 PM

Why is the Max TDP on this 110W? Makes no sense, with power use being identical to a 650. Might these be made w/o an extra power connector?
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October 9, 2012 3:06:20 PM

Hopefully, the GT700s will be based off more than 2 GPUs....... :/ 
so they won't be as late as this gen because they had to collect enough bad chips
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October 9, 2012 3:12:53 PM

jablieseWhy is the Max TDP on this 110W? Makes no sense, with power use being identical to a 650. Might these be made w/o an extra power connector?


Outside of gaming, such as some stress tests, they might be able to reach their TDP.
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October 9, 2012 3:14:09 PM

BigMack70This. Nailed it. Nothing more needs to be said.


Some of the highly factory overclocked 7770s would be considerably faster than this 650 Ti while still being cheaper ;) 
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October 9, 2012 3:21:34 PM

I was going to say "Doesn't suck, but has nothing compelling about it," then saw this:
jimbaladin40% slower than the 7850 while costing 10-20% less, and 10% faster than the 7770 while costing 25% more.That looks like a fail to me, and don't even get me started on how late this is.

...which put the value perspective on it. Once again, nVidia has failed.

Throw in this:
cknobmanAnandTech has already released an article covering AMD officially dropping the price of the 1GB 7850 to $169 for the fall season This means we will easily see $150 or less after rebates and officially makes this Nvidia 650ti product a total fail. I see no reason to purchase this.

...and its last sentence is the final verdict. Pass.
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October 9, 2012 3:23:13 PM

At newegg i can get a 7850 for 165$ and a 650TI for 155$ when a 7850 is 50% faster for 7% more money what is the better buy? I never understood why Nvidia is so bad on the low end.
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October 9, 2012 3:24:34 PM

Why this card ? That's my main question after reading a few reviews. Gimped bandwidth, horrible pricing and extremely late launch will keep this card in the discount and rebate category for a long time.
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October 9, 2012 3:28:37 PM

they should have price this thing @ $130. Thats it SHOULD BE.
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October 9, 2012 3:37:43 PM

Mike-THWhy would you not include the GTX 660 Ti in the tests? After all, the 650 Ti and 660 Ti should be the options of the day for upgrades - why not compare them?


Because the 660 Ti is over $280 and the 650 Ti is $150. The price difference is too large to be relevant.
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October 9, 2012 3:51:53 PM

I don't regret leaving my loyalties to team green, this is another abomination that has no place in the market.
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October 9, 2012 3:53:07 PM

sarinaideI don't regret leaving my loyalties to team green, this is another abomination that has no place in the market.


I'd think that leaving loyalties to any of the companies is the best solution.
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October 9, 2012 3:58:24 PM

WisecrackerThe HD7850 and GTX 650ti are essentially the same price on New Egg.

Well, that's launch pricing for the GTX 650 Ti. They usually drop a bit shortly after launch. Still, it's going to be way too close to the 7850 unless Nvidia really make some big price cuts.
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October 9, 2012 4:04:06 PM

I find it curious that the card is tested against an array of other cards.....except the one it's replacing. Seems as though the best example of whether performance has improved is to show its results against its predecessor.
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October 9, 2012 4:08:57 PM


Sakkura said:
Well, that's launch pricing for the GTX 650 Ti. They usually drop a bit shortly after launch. Still, it's going to be way too close to the 7850 unless Nvidia really make some big price cuts.


I suspect AMD will continue to cut prices as long as nVidia wants :o 

As far as AMD and the HD7850 is concerned, it's EOL. They are likely in final production for its replacement.


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October 9, 2012 4:11:35 PM

jblank said:
I find it curious that the card is tested against an array of other cards.....except the one it's replacing. Seems as though the best example of whether performance has improved is to show its results against its predecessor.


At $150, the closest thing the 650 Ti is replacing is the defunct GTX 460, and the new card is powerful enough to be compared to the 560.

The 460 192-bit isn't available anymore, but the GTX 560 SE performs similarly and is at the end of availability. So we tested it to represent both.

If you're talking about the 550 Ti, it's too cheap and slow to be relevant.


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October 9, 2012 4:20:44 PM

Ok, but again, the 650TI is replacing the 550TI, a card I happen to own, so it would have been nice for us owners of the previous iteration of their "mainstream" card, to see how it stacks up and whether the 650TI is worthy of an upgrade. I guess I am comparing it to processors. When the Ivy Bridge Core's came out, all the reviews were comparing them to the Sandy's, so ya kinda got to judge the performance and base impressions off of the scores relative to the previous gen. Not a huge deal but certainly curious that the replaced card isn't compared to its replacement.
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October 9, 2012 4:38:20 PM

After being an NVidia-only buyer for some time now, AMD's cards are looking better and better. I'm sticking with my GTX 460 1GB a while longer, looking to find another one to SLI.
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October 9, 2012 4:39:57 PM

jblank said:
Ok, but again, the 650TI is replacing the 550TI, a card I happen to own, so it would have been nice for us owners of the previous iteration of their "mainstream" card, to see how it stacks up and whether the 650TI is worthy of an upgrade.

This happens with every benchmark set and review - if you want a direct comparison between the two, you'll currently have to look elsewhere. Otherwise, you'll have to do a bit of comparing: Given that the 550ti < 650 < 650ti, you can use the 650's results to gauge whether or not it'd be a good upgrade.

I think most people here would go ahead and say it's not, though, since the 7850 costs the same (less, in certain cases).
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October 9, 2012 4:45:35 PM

Thank you for the reply mousseng. I'm new here and was a bit confused but apparently as you say, I will have to try to take a look at the scores and try to make a call.

The 550TI has been a great card. On my i5 Dell XPS 8300, I can still play Civ V and F1 2012 maxed out at 1080p, so until something I play makes it so that the card cant handle 1080p, I might just keep it.
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October 9, 2012 4:57:08 PM

jblankOk, but again, the 650TI is replacing the 550TI, a card I happen to own, so it would have been nice for us owners of the previous iteration of their "mainstream" card, to see how it stacks up and whether the 650TI is worthy of an upgrade.

Take a look at the chart on the top of the page in the following review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...

Note how the 550ti stacks up against the 650 and the 7770? Now compare it to the chart at the top of the last page of this review we are commenting on. It's not a perfect comparison since different settings were used, but it gives you a good idea so you can use your brain to approximate. In the review I linked, the 550ti is slightly better than the 650 but sits behind the 7770. Remember that performance depends a lot on resolution and settings used but I think it's pretty clear that unless the 650ti comes down in price, a 7850 is a much, much better option.
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October 9, 2012 5:00:47 PM

Thanks! At this point I am a bit limited by my PC (Dell XPS 8300) that I still owe about $400 on, so any upgrade has to work around my 460watt power supply, which was what made the 650TI intriguing to me, since I thought it would be more powerful but use less energy than my 550TI does.
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October 9, 2012 5:02:16 PM

SakkuraWell, that's launch pricing for the GTX 650 Ti. They usually drop a bit shortly after launch. Still, it's going to be way too close to the 7850 unless Nvidia really make some big price cuts.


amd has been doing price cut for a while but true price war still didn't happen. it should be interesting to see if amd able to make a dent to nvidia market share (consumer discrete gpu) by the end of this quarter.

performance wise does it mean this new 650 Ti is faster than my 460 :D  ?
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October 9, 2012 5:06:15 PM

I don't know about Nvidia, this new card just doesn't seem relevant in the market.

Galaxy GTX 650 1gb $107*
Sapphire Vapor-X 7770 $135*
Sapphire 6850 $135*
Gigabyte GTX 650 2gb $140
XFX 6870 $145*
Asus GTX 650 Ti 1gb $155
HiS 7850 1gb $165
Zotac GTX 650 Ti 2gb $170
VisionTek 7850 2gb $185
MSI GTX 660 2gb $230
Galaxy GTX 660 Ti 2gb $280

The price gap seems too large between Nvidia cards. Their's so many better options at that same price range that the 650Ti just doesn't seem appealing in any flavor. I wanted to like it, I really did, but with their bottlenecked memory and poor pricing points, I don't see how anyone could recommended this card.

* denotes price after MIR's

(prices are accurate as of 10am PST 10/9/12 Newegg)
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October 9, 2012 5:08:11 PM

for 128 bit mem interface I find this cards performance impressive ....but this should have been the 650 and this card with a 192bit mem interface for the 650ti.

But instead they put out this thing , shame
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October 9, 2012 5:12:34 PM

I, for the first time, didn't find the review useful, or at least wasn't satisfied with it...

1080p isn't even a resolution that this card is meant for.

The problem isn't that the review doesn't compare cards well, it does that. But does it show the cards in the light they're supposed to be in.

IMO, you should have tested on 720p, 1280x1024, 1600x900/1680x1050 @ ultra settings + 4xMSAA.

The qualifiers here would be the ones that maintain 60 fps min at this setting at a particular resolution, and they then should be tested at 1080p with stuff turned all the way up, with and without AA, as an indication of how much performance buffer is available. Or something similar.

Also, i think GPGPU benchmarks were a bit pointless, at least the complete chart, we all know Nvidia's going to get spanked there. Should have just included similarly priced cards.
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October 9, 2012 5:21:35 PM

renz496 said:
amd has been doing price cut for a while but true price war still didn't happen. it should be interesting to see if amd able to make a dent to nvidia market share (consumer discrete gpu) by the end of this quarter.

performance wise does it mean this new 650 Ti is faster than my 460 :D  ?

Yes, it is faster than your (and my) 460. Still not compelling enough to make me shell out the cash for one, but I'm looking for another 460 1G to SLI, that should keep me and my 1680x1050 monitor going for quite a bit longer. The significant non memory interface crippled NVidia cards are too spendy for me to consider. I'm probably going to go AMD for my next new card purchase. If I can afford the gas to go get it.
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October 9, 2012 5:21:43 PM

I am staying with my aging collection instead of upgrading. My 460 1gb 256bit that I bought back in the day when they were $225 hasn't let me down yet and my two gtx280 are pulling their weight in another machine just fine.

Screw Nvidia's crappy Kepler for many reasons but look at the 7850 now that is looking very attractive atm.
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October 9, 2012 5:23:57 PM

renz496amd has been doing price cut for a while but true price war still didn't happen. it should be interesting to see if amd able to make a dent to nvidia market share (consumer discrete gpu) by the end of this quarter. performance wise does it mean this new 650 Ti is faster than my 460 ?


AMD has already made dents in Nvidia's market share if you compare current AMD and Nvidia market shares to their market shares before Radeon 7xxx launched. I think that AMD has been more or less steadily gaining since the Radeon 4xxx generation, albeit slowly.
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October 9, 2012 5:24:02 PM

im currently playing in a HD 5750 with a Phenom II X3 720 @3.2ghz (bad 4º core) and i will make the jump to a Intel I5 3450 (on budget) im currently playing at 1366x768, i can play BF on Ultra settings with blur, ambient occlusion and AA post on but without AF and MSAA at steady 36-40FPS bot online and SP.

But im willing to play with some highest settings at this resolution (for now) like SSAO, 16x AF and 8x AA i was expecting something better with this card becasue im on budget (and mainly i divide my time between work, some Forza on the Xbox and some CSS/ BF3 on the pc) so what would be best? the GTX 560, this or the HD 7770?
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October 9, 2012 5:25:35 PM

ojasI, for the first time, didn't find the review useful, or at least wasn't satisfied with it...1080p isn't even a resolution that this card is meant for.The problem isn't that the review doesn't compare cards well, it does that. But does it show the cards in the light they're supposed to be in.IMO, you should have tested on 720p, 1280x1024, 1600x900/1680x1050 @ ultra settings + 4xMSAA.The qualifiers here would be the ones that maintain 60 fps min at this setting at a particular resolution, and they then should be tested at 1080p with stuff turned all the way up, with and without AA, as an indication of how much performance buffer is available. Or something similar.Also, i think GPGPU benchmarks were a bit pointless, at least the complete chart, we all know Nvidia's going to get spanked there. Should have just included similarly priced cards.


Lower resolution with higher MSAA would put this 650 Ti on an even worse playing field than in 1080p with lighter MSAA and a lower resolution with the same level of MSAA and higher details such as Ultra would also probably do the same. Also, a huge amount of people looking at these cards play in 1080p, if not most these days. 1080p is gaining some serious momentum in both high and lower end markets for graphics cards. Basically, I find 1080p to be very relevant here (although I would have liked some lower resolutions tested too) and I doubt that relative performance would change much in lower resolutions with higher details and/or higher MSAA and if it did, it would probably not be in favor of the 650 Ti.
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October 9, 2012 5:28:34 PM

spentshellsfor 128 bit mem interface I find this cards performance impressive ....but this should have been the 650 and this card with a 192bit mem interface for the 650ti.But instead they put out this thing , shame


Yeah, I think that a better 650 Ti than 768 cores and 128 bit memory interface would have been 576 cores with a 192 bit bus. It would have probably been much more balanced and consistent than this 650 Ti.
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October 9, 2012 5:28:41 PM

ojas1080p isn't even a resolution that this card is meant for.

I don't totally disagree, seeing how the card performs at 720p would be nice. But since AMD is selling the 7850 right now for only $10 more (indeed I checked and it is true) Nvidia had better start making something in the $150-$165 price range that IS meant for 1080p.
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October 9, 2012 5:32:07 PM

Some heads up GPU comparisons from Anandtech

650 Ti vs 7770 The 650 Ti pretty much dominates
650 Ti vs 6850 About a 60% win for the 650 Ti
650 Ti vs 6870 The 650 Ti meets it's price point match, about a 30% win ratio
650 Ti vs 7850 Unfortunately the 650 Ti gets dominated by the 7850.
650 Ti vs 550 Ti This is the GPU the 650 Ti is replacing and it does a great job at doing so
650 Ti vs 560 Ti Just for S&G's the 560 Ti wins hands down
650 Ti vs 470 Both cards are on par performance wise but when it comes to power usage, heat & noise levels the 605 Ti is the hands down winner

So the 650 Ti does a great replacing your older 550 Ti's, goes blow for blow with the GTX 470 but loses to a stronger 560 Ti along with AMD's GPU's at the same price.
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