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April 17, 2012 1:59:19 AM

I am upgrading my rig for Planetside 2. I have an old 8800GTX which might work, but i definitely need a CPU/RAM upgrade.

I was searching around and saw that both the Core i3 540 and the Phenom X4 965 where retailing at $119. I was looking at the $100-$120 price range, and it seems to me that the 965 is a better choice here.

This machine is going to be a dedicated gaming machine, my laptop is for other work.

I like the 965 because the benchmarks are close to identical, but having 4 cores might pay off later. However, Planetside 2 developers are working together with Intel to develop tools. Would this effect my performance on an AMD chip?

I STILL play planetside 1, so ill be playing planetside 2 a lot and almost exclusively.

What do you guys recommend?

More about : core phenom 965

April 17, 2012 2:19:24 AM

The AMD 965 is still a rocking chip but you never know how far Inei will go in some of the sponsored titles to cripple AMD it has been know to happen in the past and naturally so.
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April 17, 2012 2:20:04 AM

Why not an i3-2100? The 2100 smokes the 965 in certain games!
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April 17, 2012 2:24:04 AM

Well back in march they demo'd the alpha on an intel quad core if i remember right so I would save up some extra bucks and plan for at least an i5.
April 17, 2012 2:24:56 AM

I thought about the i3-2100 as well. It was my first choice, actually. I used the 540 to compare same price points.

The big deal for me is the fact that the phenom is a quad core and .3 GHZ faster. Its cheaper, faster and has two more cores.

It makes sense mathematically, but i know that paper and performance are two different worlds.

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April 17, 2012 2:26:48 AM
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i3-2100 uses the socket 1155 which has the highest upgrade path than the AM3/+ socket. If you are willing to wait 2 weeks, we can see what ivybridge i3's bring us and you can decide from there.

Upgrade paths with the i3-2100:
i3-2100 to SB i5
i3-2100 to SB i7
i3-2100 to IB i3
i3-2100 to IB i5
i3-2100 to IB i7
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April 17, 2012 2:29:53 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/302124-28-phenom-core...

I personally own an X4 955 (Siggy below and it's nearly identical to the 965). I'm perfectly happy with it for my gaming performance, and some minor video editing. Depends on what you want to do I guess. According to that thread, if you're going to do some video encoding/editing, the AMD will perform better. If it's strictly gaming, Intel will perform better.
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April 17, 2012 2:30:35 AM

amuffin said:
i3-2100 uses the socket 1155 which has the highest upgrade path than the AM3/+ socket. If you are willing to wait 2 weeks, we can see what ivybridge i3's bring us and you can decide from there.

Upgrade paths with the i3-2100:
i3-2100 to SB i5
i3-2100 to SB i7
i3-2100 to IB i3
i3-2100 to IB i5
i3-2100 to IB i7


^ This
April 17, 2012 2:37:24 AM

I did not know the ivy bridge comes out in two weeks. I might just wait for that.
April 17, 2012 3:23:13 AM

Intel is not better for gaming unless all you play well really all games play well on AMD now in days Intels for production work.
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April 17, 2012 3:43:19 AM

Ignore MMO Fan especially since there are grammatical errors in his sentence.

The Core i3-2100 can beat the Phenom II in most or all games.

Overall the quad core AMD Phenom II is better for multi-threaded programs like media creation and video encoding, but if your primary concern is gaming, then the Core i3-2100 is the better choice.
April 17, 2012 3:52:21 AM

jaguarskx said:
Ignore MMO Fan especially since there are grammatical errors in his sentence.

The Core i3-2100 can beat the Phenom II in most or all games.

Overall the quad core AMD Phenom II is better for multi-threaded programs like media creation and video encoding, but if your primary concern is gaming, then the Core i3-2100 is the better choice.

woZ ands spellinZg error big deal get a life any of those CPUs play games just fine it's the GPU that you want to worry about.
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April 17, 2012 4:03:11 AM

MMO Fan said:
woZ ands spellinZg error big deal get a life any of those CPUs play games just fine it's the GPU that you want to worry about.


There are no spelling errors. There are grammatical errors which makes it harder to understand what you are trying to say.

Quote:
Intel is not better for gaming unless all you play well really all games play well on AMD now in days Intels for production work.


Does the above really make sense?
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April 17, 2012 8:57:23 AM

amuffin said:
i3-2100 uses the socket 1155 which has the highest upgrade path than the AM3/+ socket. If you are willing to wait 2 weeks, we can see what ivybridge i3's bring us and you can decide from there.

Upgrade paths with the i3-2100:
i3-2100 to SB i5
i3-2100 to SB i7
i3-2100 to IB i3
i3-2100 to IB i5
i3-2100 to IB i7



Again with the upgrade path nonsense. Unless you plan on upgrading the CPU every couple months, thats a silly argument considering the motherboard, RAM, and just about everything else in the computer is yesterday's news in 2-3 years. It almost always costs more money in the long run to try to upgrade a dinosaur than it is to cannibalize and rebuild. As far as the upgrade path, you cannot argue that Intel has a better track record of not breaking backwards compatibility more quickly than AMD anyway assuming you wanted to try and upgrade a dinosaur.(LGA775, 1156, 1155)


As for the Ivy Bridge, the rumor mill has already been circling that Ivy isn't going to be all its cracked up to be. Now of course, I'm not going to weigh judgment just yet since Tom's hasn't had a chance to really put it through the ringer.


If you plan on upgrading a CPU every 6 months you have more money than brains or you actually have more CPU intensive work needed other than playing games.


The 965 indeed is a better choice for a well balanced system than an i3 if you cannot afford an i5. The 965 is overclockable, which is a feature the 2100 lacks, from an enthusiast standpoint it makes it a nice chip to play with. Perfectly safe to clock a 965 up to 3.7GHZ on the stock HSF which is the stock setting for a 980. For games the 965 plays games just as well as an i3, but the 965 beats the i3 at just about any software application that utilizes more than 2 cores. This would include multitasking, video editing, etc.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

Going by minimum FPS

Skryim- 1FPS difference
Battlefield 3- 1 FPS difference
Just Cause 2- 1 FPS difference
Starcraft 2- 7 FPS difference in favor of i3
Dirt 3- 4 FPS difference
Metro 2033- No difference


Now for non-gaming performance:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=362

Every single benchmarked program that uses more than 2 cores, the Phenom II outperforms.

Even a 965 not Oc'ed to 980 speeds this holds true:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=102

TLDR- If you want an Intel system, spend the extra money for the i5, it is worth it, and will become increasingly more practical as software catches up to hardware and utilizes more than 2 cores.
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April 17, 2012 9:36:37 AM

MMO Fan said:
Intel is not better for gaming unless all you play well really all games play well on AMD now in days Intels for production work.


Intel is always better than AMD for gaming cause, AMD lack in bus speed. High bus speed is need to communicate gpu faster. Or else, there will be bottleneck.
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April 17, 2012 10:08:36 AM

mubin said:
Intel is always better than AMD for gaming cause, AMD lack in bus speed. High bus speed is need to communicate gpu faster. Or else, there will be bottleneck.



What? :sarcastic:  Intel is better, but bus speed communication between the GPU and CPU is not the reason.

Phenom II is an older architecture, it was not then and isn't now "bad" design. Its just older than Sandy Bridge's architecture. FX CPUs have problems, and can be attributed to flaws in architectural design but again communication between the CPU and GPU is not the issue.

BTW, we have an i5-2400 system in the house in addition to my rig, they both play games just fine with no noticeable difference.
April 17, 2012 10:35:02 AM

mubin said:
Intel is always better than AMD for gaming cause, AMD lack in bus speed. High bus speed is need to communicate gpu faster. Or else, there will be bottleneck.


What AMD is lacking is clock-for-clock performance.
Sandy Bridge beats both Bulldozer and Phenom II clock-for-clock.
What that means is, in a single core program, a Sandy Bridge processor at 3GHz will beat an AMD Bulldozer/Phenom II at the same clock speed.
Either way, it is better to look at existing benchmarks for actual performance, which people in this thread have already posted.

I have never heard of AMD's "lack in bus speed" causing a bottleneck with CPU-GPU communication with Phenom II or Bulldozer but if you can link me to something relevant, I would like to read it :) 


amuffin said:
i3-2100 uses the socket 1155 which has the highest upgrade path than the AM3/+ socket. If you are willing to wait 2 weeks, we can see what ivybridge i3's bring us and you can decide from there.


Not particularly true. From what I've heard, Piledriver will drop into AM3+ as well so the upgrade path in terms of generations is better with AM3+ (Phenom II -> Bulldozer -> Piledriver).
However Piledriver is an unknown in terms of performance considering Bulldozer's lacklustre performance, but then again, I haven't been reading good things about Ivy Bridge either.

In any case, its better to wait the two weeks and find out what Ivy Bridge is really like. With release this close, unless the OP is in a real hurry to get a system together, it would be wise to wait for benchmarks on Ivy.
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April 17, 2012 2:46:45 PM

AMD X6850 said:

Not particularly true. From what I've heard, Piledriver will drop into AM3+ as well so the upgrade path in terms of generations is better with AM3+ (Phenom II -> Bulldozer -> Piledriver).
However Piledriver is an unknown in terms of performance considering Bulldozer's lacklustre performance, but then again, I haven't been reading good things about Ivy Bridge either.



AMD is hoping for about a 10% increase in performance over Bulldozer, however, that estimate was from last year a few weeks before Bulldozer's launch. Generally speaking, that is a realistic performance gain. However, that would mean the PileDriver CPUs will be on par with the 1st generation Core i3/i5/i7 CPUs (Nehalem / Lynnfield). Sandy Bridge CPUs are about 12% faster than the 1st gen CPUs. Ivy Bridge will likely be 6% - 8% faster than Sandy Bridge.

While PileDriver is likely to be an improvement for AMD, they will still be behind Intel in terms of performance even if Ivy Bridge has a 0% performance improvement over Sandy Bridge.
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April 17, 2012 2:51:32 PM

AMD has not release any roadmap info beyond 2013.

I think PileDriver will be AMD's final consumer CPU which means it will be the last AM3+ CPU. I think they will simply focus on APUs for the consumer market so the future of AMD in the consumer market will be socket FM2 when Trinity is eventually released. The successor to Trinity will be Kaveri and at least for now, I believe it will be a socket FM2 socket APU.
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April 17, 2012 3:00:35 PM

nekulturny said:
Again with the upgrade path nonsense. Unless you plan on upgrading the CPU every couple months, thats a silly argument considering the motherboard, RAM, and just about everything else in the computer is yesterday's news in 2-3 years. It almost always costs more money in the long run to try to upgrade a dinosaur than it is to cannibalize and rebuild. As far as the upgrade path, you cannot argue that Intel has a better track record of not breaking backwards compatibility more quickly than AMD anyway assuming you wanted to try and upgrade a dinosaur.(LGA775, 1156, 1155)


As for the Ivy Bridge, the rumor mill has already been circling that Ivy isn't going to be all its cracked up to be. Now of course, I'm not going to weigh judgment just yet since Tom's hasn't had a chance to really put it through the ringer.


If you plan on upgrading a CPU every 6 months you have more money than brains or you actually have more CPU intensive work needed other than playing games.


The 965 indeed is a better choice for a well balanced system than an i3 if you cannot afford an i5. The 965 is overclockable, which is a feature the 2100 lacks, from an enthusiast standpoint it makes it a nice chip to play with. Perfectly safe to clock a 965 up to 3.7GHZ on the stock HSF which is the stock setting for a 980. For games the 965 plays games just as well as an i3, but the 965 beats the i3 at just about any software application that utilizes more than 2 cores. This would include multitasking, video editing, etc.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

Going by minimum FPS

Skryim- 1FPS difference
Battlefield 3- 1 FPS difference
Just Cause 2- 1 FPS difference
Starcraft 2- 7 FPS difference in favor of i3
Dirt 3- 4 FPS difference
Metro 2033- No difference


Now for non-gaming performance:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=362

Every single benchmarked program that uses more than 2 cores, the Phenom II outperforms.

Even a 965 not Oc'ed to 980 speeds this holds true:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=102

TLDR- If you want an Intel system, spend the extra money for the i5, it is worth it, and will become increasingly more practical as software catches up to hardware and utilizes more than 2 cores.



+1. This is what you need read.

Get the i5 if you're going Intel, otherwise just get the 965, it's cheaper anyways.
April 17, 2012 3:16:42 PM

I'd go for 965. It is a descent performer toe to toe with i3 2100 in gaming and better at the rest of stuff...
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April 17, 2012 3:39:58 PM

First, I try not to attack a point on spelling and grammar – I’m terrible in both categories – But that has not hampered Me, being in the minority – Classed as a Senior Eng without an EE degree.

OP – You would probably be happy with either choice, but my preference is the Intel platform.
On upgrade path – When I upgrade, Yes I normally upgrade both the MB and the CPU. Reason is NOT that I find the CPU lacking – it’s based on the advancements in MB features. However in the Ops case a simple upgrade in a year from now to an i5-25xxK would be a good way to go - even though it effectivel means that the i5-25xxk cost an additional $125 (Fror the i3) But you gota do what you gota do with the money you have at the time.
For Gaming, unless the CPU bottlenecks the GPU – it is the GPU that is the primary driver in Gaming performance.

My choice is based more on supporting chipset (and drivers), hardware and software. In many cases the performance of hardware and software are identical – BUT not always.
A) Rational is based on Intel has around 75% market share vs 20% for AMD. AMD is both cash strapped and short on developers. You can find this in financial evaluations and in AMDs’s comments about completion which basically stated they are limiting their focus to Low-to-mid end desktops.
B) Intel updates their chipset more often and is generally better than AMD’s driver.
C) If you are a 3rd party developer of either hardware or software, Your target is first geared toward the largest market then if possible optimize for the smaller market IF POSSIBLE.
D) Look to SSDs. What systems are most often used in reviews to benchmark SSDs. Look at How long AMD took to get a chipset driver that worked well with SSDs.
E) While all my desktops have used ATI/AMD GPUs. My newest laptop is an i5-2410M with an Nvidia 540m GPU. NVidia had “working” software to switch between iGPU and dGPU when switching between 2D and 3D applications – NOT sure if AMD has finally got a working solution.
April 17, 2012 3:40:27 PM

jaguarskx said:
There are no spelling errors. There are grammatical errors which makes it harder to understand what you are trying to say.

Quote:
Intel is not better for gaming unless all you play well really all games play well on AMD now in days Intels for production work.


Does the above really make sense?

For you perhaps but nobody else has an issue and whats you point my information is and was valid get over yourself grammar come on are you in school still.
April 17, 2012 3:44:45 PM

mubin said:
Intel is always better than AMD for gaming cause, AMD lack in bus speed. High bus speed is need to communicate gpu faster. Or else, there will be bottleneck.

I guarantee you in gaming there is not much difference perceivable from an OCed Phenom II to a 2500K as in you won win or lose on the Battlefield cause of the CPU you run LOL as long as it is decent. I will guarantee you that that dual core Pentium you are running is a POS for gaming and the AMD would wipe the flipin floor with it.
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April 17, 2012 3:51:39 PM

MMO Fan said:
For you perhaps but nobody else has an issue and whats you point my information is and was valid get over yourself grammar come on are you in school still.



Actually I had NO idea what that meant either.
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April 17, 2012 3:55:08 PM

MMO Fan said:
I guarantee you in gaming there is not much difference perceivable from an OCed Phenom II to a 2500K as in you won win or lose on the Battlefield cause of the CPU you run LOL as long as it is decent. I will guarantee you that that dual core Pentium you are running is a POS for gaming and the AMD would wipe the flipin floor with it.



Pentium is a name that really needs to be retired. It reminds me of Mercury Cougars, they used to be entry level luxury cars, then in 1999 they decided to make them into chinsy hatchback economy cars. In the same token, Pentium used to be Intel's premium product line, now they're just low-level junk. I honestly don't understand the point of producing a Sandy Bridge Pentium, it can't even touch a llano but for some reason they tried.
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April 17, 2012 3:56:57 PM

MMO Fan
Get over it – take it as constructive criticism. If you want people to take you seriously, I would attempt to improve on spelling and grammar as opposed to a defensive manner.
All that I got is you are an AMD fanboy saying AMD is equal or better for gaming.

" ... OCed Phenom II to a 2500K" is that also true When the i5-2500k is OC to 4.6 GHZ which is realitively easy to achieve, or are you comparing an OCed AMD to stock i5.
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April 17, 2012 4:00:55 PM

RetiredChief said:
MMO Fan
Get over it – take it as constructive criticism. If you want people to take you seriously, I would attempt to improve on spelling and grammar as opposed to a defensive manner.
All that I got is you are an AMD fanboy saying AMD is equal or better for gaming.

" ... OCed Phenom II to a 2500K" is that also true When the i5-2500k is OC to 4.6 GHZ which is realitively easy to achieve, or are you comparing an OCed AMD to stock i5.


Yea, it really isn't fair to try to compare an OC'd chip to a stock one, I try to avoid it. I do think comparing the feature of overclockability to a chip that doesn't have it is fair game. Which is why I brought it up mentioning the i3-2100 vs Phenom II 965
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April 17, 2012 4:05:36 PM

jaguarskx said:

The Core i3-2100 can beat the Phenom II in most or all games.

Overall the quad core AMD Phenom II is better for multi-threaded programs like media creation and video encoding, but if your primary concern is gaming, then the Core i3-2100 is the better choice.


Correction...

For whatever reason I was comparing the Core i3-2100 to the Phenom II X4 955 instead of the X4 965. The Core i3 would more or less be equivalent to the X4 965 in terms of game benchmarks since it wins some benchmarks, but looses in others.

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April 17, 2012 4:07:03 PM

@ nekulturny - Concur.
Comparing a OCed cpu to a cpu that can not be OCed is fair game.
April 17, 2012 4:12:57 PM

nekulturny said:
Pentium is a name that really needs to be retired. It reminds me of Mercury Cougars, they used to be entry level luxury cars, then in 1999 they decided to make them into chinsy hatchback economy cars. In the same token, Pentium used to be Intel's premium product line, now they're just low-level junk. I honestly don't understand the point of producing a Sandy Bridge Pentium, it can't even touch a llano but for some reason they tried.

My old Athlon 3500+ OCed to 3.0ghz wiped the floor with my friends Intel Pentium 4 and yet I still got the same reaction from him as many Intel bigots around here. He just stood by that hunk o junk Pentium claiming Hyper Threading was the key LOL and to this day will not admit Intel failed with the P4 chip.
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April 17, 2012 4:21:30 PM

Well the first Pentium I had was back during Slot 1. Now thats probably as older than some of the kids posting on this forum. LOL.

Mommy lookit! its a dinosaur!

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April 17, 2012 4:41:56 PM

^ Heck that's not a dinosaur, It's High tech compared to my SX-386 with a External math co-processor chip. or My 8086 first laptop.

And Yes the mercury was the "poor Man's" Lincoln. In fact owned a 59 merc with a Lincoln Continental Engine.

MMO Fan
You are correct the Intel Pentium 4 was pawned by AMD, back in AMD's glory days. Notice the PAST TENSE, stop living in the past!!
And Yes, back then I bought AMD and recommended them (except for corporate use).
April 17, 2012 5:22:03 PM

so much fun to read..Ask people that ACTUALLY own and use the products for REAL world use.
Benchmarks are easily fudged by any site.
And picking on someone for grammer/spelling(whatever) is just pathetic,Its a f'n forum,get over it.
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April 17, 2012 5:36:30 PM

Earnie said:
so much fun to read..Ask people that ACTUALLY own and use the products for REAL world use.
Benchmarks are easily fudged by any site.
And picking on someone for grammer/spelling(whatever) is just pathetic,Its a f'n forum,get over it.



Well, I can stick with vouching for what I own. I can vouch that an i5-2400 (maybe its a 2300, 10 dollar price difference, they both cost more either way- its the boyfriend's computer and I didn't build it so I forget off hand) with a GTX 460 and 16GB RAM doesn't perform noticeably better than a Phenom II 975 set to 4.0GHZ with a 550TI and 16GB RAM. Theoretically, Max's i5 system should outperform it, the GTX 460 is a stronger video card despite being prior generation. Actually my Phenom II system gave me 3 more FPS on OpenGL when I ran cinebench.

As far as the grammar and spelling cheap shots, well I've always been a pretty smart guy, I type 70 wpm, if I make a typo so sue me, I made Dean's List last semester, and will this semester, got an A in English 101 years ago the first time I went to college, and last semester got a 97 percent in Technical Writing, I'm not being graded for my posts on a forum. I've already proven that I have a hold on English composition.


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RetiredChief,

lil bit before my time. I had a 30th anniversary Merc Cougar with the 4.6L V8. Granny car with a mustang engine, such a smooth car, was in pristine shape but the tranny blew and I got laid off so I kept my Acura RSX type S and sold the Cougar for 400 bucks. Such a shame.
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April 17, 2012 5:55:00 PM

ok ok fans boys settle down settle down. Save your arguments for the respective threads. this guys still needs help!... Now I am a AMD user i have used AMD ever since gaming. Now i am going to recommend Intel. Why?, because sure enough if Intel was in the production process for a game/ benchmark, they are going to handy cap AMD for simple sales marketing performance. Now If he wants the best upgrade path, he needs to get a damn good Z68 motherboard update the BIOS when Ivy bridge is released on the 29th, and then get Ivy later on when the smoke is clear on what processor to get from the ivy family. Sandy Bridge still offers good performance but since something else is out thats better for just a little more. Why not?

Now you guys are probably gonna replay back saying oh listen to this chump, well look I am just as good as our weakest veteran on this forum, SO my opinion makes just as much of a impact as anyone elses. Especially when i have had a situation where i take home the Best Answer cup for a average threqad where 12 veterans, newcomers and other come from.


AND

Please don't forget to go vote for a Shout box or chat room, because this forum deadly needs it as much as forums get spammed with arguments!
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April 17, 2012 6:02:19 PM

Earnie said:
so much fun to read..Ask people that ACTUALLY own and use the products for REAL world use.
Benchmarks are easily fudged by any site.
And picking on someone for grammer/spelling(whatever) is just pathetic,Its a f'n forum,get over it.

yes it is a forum, where the communication is the written word.

and to be able to express a thought, idea or point of view; it behooves the poster to be able to do it in an understandable manner; without the reader finding difficulty understanding what is posted because of the laziness of the poster.

#grammermatters

edited for typo :lol: 
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April 17, 2012 6:05:33 PM

an i3-2100 is $129

if you could spend an extra $70 you could get

an i5 2400 which is not far off the i5 2500k in the charts, but hasnt got the overclocking ability
April 17, 2012 6:09:49 PM

To OP...

I'd go with the i3...they're 'bout the same. (if you can save for an i5...that's the way to go... hands down)

However the i3 uses less power and generates less heat.
If you do lots of video decoding...get a z68 and use VIRTU.

Best regards.
April 17, 2012 6:20:06 PM

get the 965. the i3 is only a dual core there already falling behind. the 965 is overclockable its fun to mess around with and it has solid performance all around. i would first wait for ivy bridge and see what theyre all about. i heard bad things. if you get a socket am3+ you can upgrade to the new vishera piledriver core around october when they launch. also the 965 is a true quad core
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April 17, 2012 6:57:42 PM

cryosin said:
I am upgrading my rig for Planetside 2. I have an old 8800GTX which might work, but i definitely need a CPU/RAM upgrade.

I was searching around and saw that both the Core i3 540 and the Phenom X4 965 where retailing at $119. I was looking at the $100-$120 price range, and it seems to me that the 965 is a better choice here.

This machine is going to be a dedicated gaming machine, my laptop is for other work.

I like the 965 because the benchmarks are close to identical, but having 4 cores might pay off later. However, Planetside 2 developers are working together with Intel to develop tools. Would this effect my performance on an AMD chip?

I STILL play planetside 1, so ill be playing planetside 2 a lot and almost exclusively.

What do you guys recommend?


i would be apprehensive at getting an i3-540; its an older chip and will be/is two generations old. if the choice is between just the two specified than get the PIIx4 965.

however as pointed out it would be worth it to consider a sandy bridge platform; lower power and less heat than an amd solution along with having more options when upgrading. but when it comes to it; giving the requirements of the game;
Planetside 2

Minimum Requirements
Celeron E1200 Dual-Core 1.6GHz - Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3600+
GeForce GT 120 - Radeon HD 3670
1 GB - Win Xp 32 - DX 9

Predicted Requirements
Pentium Dual Core E6600 3.06GHz - Phenom II X2 560
GeForce GT 140 - Radeon HD 3870
2 GB - Win Xp 32 - DX 9

ANYTHING is fine . . .
April 18, 2012 12:27:46 AM

amuffin said:
Pentium I is 5 years older than me...Pentium II is 1 year older than me... :sweat: 


And I thought I was one of the younger people browsing these forums :D 
Pentium I is about 3 years older than me. But we have a working computer with a Pentium MMX in addition to a broken one as well :kaola: 

To the OP, if you plan on upgrading later on (or don't mind upgrading), Sandy Bridge + Z77 is the way to go.

If you aren't but don't mind overclocking (even slightly), Phenom II is the better choice. Especially if future games do make use of its cores. But I can't see games becoming fully threaded any time soon. By fully threaded I mean using the CPU to its actual maximum, rather than the maximum of how the game engine can use the cores.

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April 18, 2012 2:37:04 AM

You people are really trying to make me feel Old.
At least my DOB does NOT predate the Sliderule that I still have.
April 18, 2012 2:55:48 AM

Well this got out of hand quickly lol.

I am going to wait and see what happens when Ivy bridge comes out.

Does anyone have a good idea of when those chips are hitting the market? I heard two weeks but i cant find any info on the net.

If its happening very soon then i will just wait. At worst prices will drop for what im already looking to buy and i should be fine.
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April 18, 2012 3:20:01 AM

April 29th.
Anonymous
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April 18, 2012 3:22:07 AM

RetiredChief said:
You people are really trying to make me feel Old.
At least my DOB does NOT predate the Sliderule that I still have.

"William Oughtred and others developed the slide rule in the 17th century . ."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_rule

i would hope NOT.
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April 18, 2012 8:00:04 AM

RetiredChief said:
You people are really trying to make me feel Old.
At least my DOB does NOT predate the Sliderule that I still have.



LOL sorry, I was just trying to make myself feel young!!! :kaola: 
a b à CPUs
April 18, 2012 8:12:17 AM

All I will say is do not get the 540. Its a dead socket and even now trying to find a quad core for that board is hard or stupid expensive.

As for the comments saying bus between the cpu and gpu don't matter, go back and look what happened when intel put the pci-e controller on chip.
a c 90 à CPUs
April 18, 2012 10:58:26 AM

Anonymous said:
yes it is a forum, where the communication is the written word.

and to be able to express a thought, idea or point of view; it behooves the poster to be able to do it in an understandable manner; without the reader finding difficulty understanding what is posted because of the laziness of the poster.

#grammermatters

edited for typo :lol: 

not all of us are lazy. some of us are dyslexic... i am but you will find i have a solid rep in the games forum... i even get personal requests to come and look at topics, because they know even though i cant spell and my gamma sux (granda wont shut up about that fact ;)  ) they know i know my apples...
judging people for bad spelling says more about the person doing the judging rather than the person being judged... after all tom's is a world wide forum where english is often a second language... cut em some slack.
you never know there may be a day where you need help and dont get it because you made an ass of yourself... so chill a bit and just let it go...
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