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AMD 3.6 GHz AM3+ FX4100 vs AMD 3 GHz AM3 Phenom II 960T

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April 18, 2012 6:20:28 AM

Hey i have hd 6870 gpu but my old processor ,motherboard and ram bottlenecks my gpu so want to buy a new processor a compatible mobo & ram... so IS AMD 3.6 GHz AM3+ FX4100 better than AMD 3 GHz AM3 Phenom II 960T/ 945T for gaming ??? as they are in my budget....
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April 18, 2012 6:36:02 AM

NO, 960T is a much better processor than the 4100.
What is the total budget for the board and processor? I really suggest you go with an i3-2100 and z68 board.
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April 18, 2012 6:43:31 AM

yup the bulldozer was a bit of a flop. with the Phenom II's beating BD in gaming performance.

that being said currently the best gaming AMD cpu is a Phenom II 980 Black edition.

HOWEVER if as you said you are looking at changing your motherboard, CPU and RAM.
go for the 2500k & Z68 + 1.5v RAM. or wait for IVY Bridge.

i am still very supprised any of the CPU's mentioned would bottlekneck a single 6870
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April 18, 2012 7:11:55 AM

Depends if your going to overclock, the FX scales much better with OC'ing than the PII, at 4.5Ghz it matches a 4Ghz 955 (> 960T).
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April 18, 2012 11:46:08 AM

yummerzzz said:
Depends if your going to overclock, the FX scales much better with OC'ing than the PII, at 4.5Ghz it matches a 4Ghz 955 (> 960T).

that makes no sense. the phenom II architecture is faster per clock for gaming, which means to get the same gains on an FX chip, you would need to increase the overclock % more to achieve the same gains. Not to mention the 960t can have a couple extra cores unlocked.
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April 18, 2012 11:55:24 AM

sumirandhamaskar said:
Hey i have hd 6870 gpu but my old processor ,motherboard and ram bottlenecks my gpu so want to buy a new processor a compatible mobo & ram... so IS AMD 3.6 GHz AM3+ FX4100 better than AMD 3 GHz AM3 Phenom II 960T/ 945T for gaming ??? as they are in my budget....


What do you have now?
Which country do you live in?
Whats your budget?
Must it be AMD?
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April 18, 2012 3:32:21 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
that makes no sense. the phenom II architecture is faster per clock for gaming, which means to get the same gains on an FX chip, you would need to increase the overclock % more to achieve the same gains. Not to mention the 960t can have a couple extra cores unlocked.


Um, no?

3.2Ghz to 4Ghz = 25%
3.6Ghz to 4.5Ghz = 25%


The Zosma cores are already slower than the Deneb cores, so unlocking to a six core would most likely yield lower OC's, meaning it will be even slower.
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April 18, 2012 3:44:53 PM

yummerzzz said:
Um, no?

3.2Ghz to 4Ghz = 25%
3.6Ghz to 4.5Ghz = 25%


The Zosma cores are already slower than the Deneb cores, so unlocking to a six core would most likely yield lower OC's, meaning it will be even slower.


Ah yea...clock for clock the the Bulldozer is slower than the older Phenom II's. You need to overclock the Bulldozer to around 4.5GHz or higher just to equal the performance of a stock Phenom II. As for the original question I would go with Phenom II. Don't get fooled by the more GHz means better performance BS. Even though the Phenom II has less GHz than the Bulldozer it's still faster than the higer clocked Bulldozer. It's all about the architecture, the Bulldozer architecture is a disaster that why it get's beaten out by older Phenom II's and dual/quad core Intel CPU's.
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April 18, 2012 4:17:14 PM

Anonymous_26 said:
Ah yea...clock for clock the the Bulldozer is slower than the older Phenom II's. You need to overclock the Bulldozer to around 4.5GHz or higher just to equal the performance of a stock Phenom II. As for the original question I would go with Phenom II. Don't get fooled by the more GHz means better performance BS. Even though the Phenom II has less GHz than the Bulldozer it's still faster than the higer clocked Bulldozer. It's all about the architecture, the Bulldozer architecture is a disaster that why it get's beaten out by older Phenom II's and dual/quad core Intel CPU's.



I can back mine up with facts though, what you just said is complete BS.
A FX-4100 @ 4.5Ghz will eat a Phenom II 955 at stock for breakfast, then Phenom II 955 needs to be at 4Ghz to keep up; I wouldn't blindly recommend it without evidence to back up my arguments.

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April 18, 2012 4:45:19 PM

Considering Starcraft 2 is one of the most demanding games CPU-wise...

That graph shows the Phenom II 955 @ 4Ghz so I have no idea where you are getting that from, I'd like to know what cooler/voltage (either that or your one of the very few people who have a chip like that) you have, because if it can reach those speeds, the FX would probably be able to reach higher one using that cooler.

If you move away from CPU dependency, then, there's no point in comparing the processors because if the graphics card is what matter then, so once again I don't know what that argument is.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
I see the FX-4100 @ 4.5Ghz beating the stock Phenom II 955 in every game tested there...
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April 18, 2012 4:51:12 PM

0.o well no wonder.
Now wonder what the FX-4100 would be able to reach with that cooler.
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April 18, 2012 4:53:34 PM

And a H50 is still better than a Hyper TX3 with Push/Pull, which is still good enough.
April 18, 2012 4:54:23 PM

he eh he.....I live In India ...my total budget is 10500 /- in this budget i need a processor a mobo and 4gb ram ...as i already have bought a hd 6870....so i need a d above req. that will b perfect to my 6870 at 1600x900 resol. screen
OR SHOULD I GO WITH PHENOM II 965 ??????????????//
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April 18, 2012 4:56:38 PM

Well, which one's cheaper?

In the UK the FX-4100 is cheaper.

EDIT : Just get whichever is cheaper, there is really no noticeable difference between them, but I still stick to my original recommendation of the FX.
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April 18, 2012 5:09:23 PM

Oh, I never even saw that post, well AMD themselves say it's possible to reach 5Ghz, and I've sen multiple user with 4.7Ghz or 4.8Ghz, and that's no even with the FX-4170.

Stated the same thing as what? I don't really understand that.
What sound silly?
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April 18, 2012 5:13:37 PM

Erm, you did the same thing, that makes you a hypocrite :


Quote:
the 955 at 4.0ghz would crush the 4100.
I like to see you showing us proof, however i could test this if you really want to get dirty.
BTW my B55 x4 is at 4.2ghz and can bench at 4.5ghz.....
What i mean by crush is that this is showing the 955 at same pace as the 4100 in 1 game..
Move away from cpu dependancy, and we have a clear cut winner from what i see.

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April 18, 2012 5:15:53 PM

When? I don't see it.

And stop editing your posts so much, it makes it confusing to keep up with the thread.
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April 18, 2012 5:16:32 PM

Re: the Fx4100 at 5GHz debate, send me one and I'll see what I can do :p 
But I'd take the Phenom as well in your situation Op
Moto
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April 18, 2012 5:21:52 PM

That post was made AFTER your hypocritical one, and still doesn't explain anything, that line doesn't not clarify what you meant, and my attitude is fine, unlike yours, who called me "Silly and petty" while dong the same thing himself, thus being a hypocrite.

I'm not attacking you like you are me, I'm just pointing out things that have been said which are/are not true.
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April 18, 2012 5:26:30 PM

See, this argument wouldn't have even happened if you hadn't incorrectly called me silly and petty, of which I proved you wrong on both accounts, but I agree, let's end it.

TL;DR : Get the FX 4100 if you're willing to OC, or if it is cheaper.
April 18, 2012 5:26:42 PM

common ..... ok then geek's Peek ????
FX oR PheNom II
April 18, 2012 5:27:33 PM

or should i go with AMD 3.4 GHz AM3 Phenom II 965 Processor
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April 18, 2012 5:27:54 PM

Phenom
Moto
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April 18, 2012 5:28:21 PM

Which is cheaper and are you willing to OC, please answer the questions which have been asked/stated.
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April 18, 2012 5:32:34 PM

Also, why haven't you thought about the i3-2100?
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April 18, 2012 5:37:24 PM

Looks to be good in all of the games shown in that review by Tom's.

EDIT : After reading your edit, I guess, but I'd feel more comfortable with benches that say so,
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April 18, 2012 5:40:45 PM

Actually BFBC2 hardly need 4 cores, a highly clocked dual core will do fine.

EDIT : Needs*
April 18, 2012 5:45:06 PM

yummerzzz said:
Which is cheaper and are you willing to OC, please answer the questions which have been asked/stated.



NO NO I WONT OVER-CLOCK I JST NEED MORE THAN 25 FPS IN GAMES AT ULTA SETTINGS LIKE BF3 , ASSISSINATION CREED ,GTA 4, CRYSIS II
& IS 25+ FPS IS PLAYABLE RIGHT....AND WOULD THAT B POSSIBLE IN AMD 960???
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April 18, 2012 5:46:28 PM

Nah, here are some reading from another review,





Intel i7 920 @ 3.7Ghz with HT disabled.
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April 18, 2012 5:47:06 PM

@OP Get the Phenom II 960T then.
April 18, 2012 5:50:12 PM

WITH PHENOM II 960 & HD 6870 I COULD MAX THE SETTING & YET GET GOOD FPS???
HOW MANY FPS WOULD I GET U THING?
April 18, 2012 5:54:20 PM

what's that MSAA ??? but 25+ is also a playable right ??
April 18, 2012 6:20:02 PM

that work i will give to comp technishiun ..He will knw it better I guess....
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April 18, 2012 6:32:16 PM

no need to, you can clearly see the relevant information there, just go through slowly,
your motherboard supports 95w processors, and the amd site comfirms that the 960 is indeed a 95w chip, so with a bios update to keep things up to date you should be fine, even though the highest proc listed there is a 955,
don't be scared of spec pages, open another tab up and if you see a term you don't understand, google or wiki it, you'll pick things up quite quickly and save money in the end :) 
but yes, a tech will be able to use those links to check compatability
Moto
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April 18, 2012 10:49:29 PM

get a phenom II

if you can stretch your budget you will not regret getting a 2500K with a Z68 board.

August 26, 2012 10:05:36 PM

ok its been a while but I can acquire a new in box AMD fx quad 4100 for $75 or less from a guy i met would it be worth trying out against my phenom II X6 1045t ? I mean trying to OC this 1045t is crazy it usually just halts and freezes immediately maybe this 4100 would be worth the 65-75 dollars?
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August 26, 2012 10:14:24 PM

Hell no!
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