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January 6, 2012 8:51:22 PM

Hey guys, so first time posting here on Toms, although I am a frequent visitor. Just looking for some advice. Im selling a used gaming machine to a customer and his main goal is wanting to be able to play BF3. I feel that the only thing hindering this computer from running the game effectively is the video cards(although I could be wrong) so mainly just looking for some ideas on possible upgrades and if anyone has input on if that really would be the only issue.

Specs are as follows :

7 Ultimate 64bit
Intel X48BT2 Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Quad. 2.5Ghz
4GB DDR3 Memory
2x Radeon HD 3850's.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Travis

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a b B Homebuilt system
January 6, 2012 10:09:04 PM

What's your budget?
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January 6, 2012 10:19:17 PM

Right away I can see you need a new CPU and Video card to run BF3 decently.
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 6, 2012 10:19:26 PM

6870 will be good enough for high/ultra on 1080p without AA though.
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January 6, 2012 10:19:48 PM

We need a budget please.
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 6, 2012 10:19:57 PM

Red Team FTW said:
Right away I can see you need a new CPU and Video card to run BF3 decently.


he doesn't need a new cpu. his current one is fine.
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January 6, 2012 10:21:36 PM

samuelspark said:
6870 will be good enough for high/ultra on 1080p without AA though.


Not at +60fps it's not.
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January 6, 2012 10:22:24 PM

If OP can Overclock that C2Q it would do better barely but what I am suggesting IMHO is a newer more powerful CPU
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 6, 2012 10:22:25 PM

hapkido said:
Not at +60fps it's not.


It's going to be about 60 with AA.
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 6, 2012 10:22:57 PM

BF3 is a VERY taxing game, It's hard to run ultra at 1080p with the 6870...I have the Sapphire 6870 and I can run BF3 on High at around 50FPS
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January 6, 2012 10:24:09 PM

hapkido said:
Not at +60fps it's not.

GTX 465 around 45fps in BF3 so I am going to say that OP would have very good luck at running BF3 maxed on High setting not ultra with 6870.
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January 6, 2012 10:25:41 PM

A core 2 quad (q6600) works fine for BF3. granted I have overclocked it to 3.1GHz, but I can still get 60-70 fps on medium at 1080p with my overclocked GTX 460.
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January 6, 2012 10:26:36 PM

samuelspark said:
It's going to be about 60 with AA.


No it's not. I get ~60fps minimum on a mix of medium and high settings with 2xMSAA and SSAO at 1920x1200. There is NO WAY you're running ultra at the same framerate with a single 6870. With an outrageous claim like that, I'd love so see some proof.

Here's one of my videos for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aJbHjPg8I0
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January 6, 2012 10:26:54 PM

AxemanACL said:
A core 2 quad (q6600) works fine for BF3. granted I have overclocked it to 3.1GHz, but I can still get 60-70 fps on medium at 1080p with my overclocked GTX 460.

But that Med crank up the settings and C2Q will choke in BF3
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 6, 2012 10:27:30 PM

I meant without AA. Typo.
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January 6, 2012 10:29:20 PM

hapkido said:
No it's not. I get ~60fps minimum on a mix of medium and high settings with 2xMSAA and SSAO at 1920x1200. There is NO WAY you're running ultra at the same framerate with a single 6870. With an outrageous claim like that, I'd love so see some proof.

Here's one of my videos for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aJbHjPg8I0

Funny how more and more people forget to use frps to show FPS in screen capture so then there is no way around it is then tantamount to the truth with frame counter in the corner of screen.
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 6, 2012 10:29:41 PM

You guys realize that you're never going to get BF3 running above 60FPS on Ultra without building a whole new system right?
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January 6, 2012 10:49:24 PM

AxemanACL said:
BF3 doesn't really care what processor you have as long as it is a quad core.

Here is a benchmark.

http://www.techspot.com/review/458-battlefield-3-perfor...

Even most duals were running it fine.

Most of them CPU are faster than an old C2Q and the ones that srugled cannot even maintain 60fps min just like the C2Q
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January 6, 2012 10:56:27 PM

80-100 fps here, running on MSI 6870 high
on ultra its about an solid 60

it has an regular OC 920 mhz(standard with an MSI)
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 6, 2012 11:08:08 PM

Just ran battlefield on Ultra on Operation Metro (multiplayer, Rush) and got around 45FPS...I have an i5 2500k and Radeon 6870. So I'm assuming upgrading to a 6870 would benefit the system drastically
Oh, forgot to add that I had only 2x MSAA on, instead of the 4x MSAA
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 7, 2012 12:09:22 AM

FPS games are the least CPU intensive games.
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January 9, 2012 2:23:17 PM

wow did not expect to get such a large response. On the terms of a budget its more of an open budget in respects to replacing cards, dont really see the point in having him replace the cpu and cards if we are gonna go that far I'll just have him buy a whole new computer. Just how much it would cost to get this machine running BF3 at a steady level, wouldn't need to be running it on ultra but high would be nice. More or less just need to come up with some rough estimates to shoot over to this guy. And from reading what everyone has said would it be totally necessary to overclock this cpu or should it run the game fine? feel like I got some mixed reviews on that.
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January 9, 2012 4:30:36 PM

travackerman said:
wow did not expect to get such a large response. On the terms of a budget its more of an open budget in respects to replacing cards, dont really see the point in having him replace the cpu and cards if we are gonna go that far I'll just have him buy a whole new computer. Just how much it would cost to get this machine running BF3 at a steady level, wouldn't need to be running it on ultra but high would be nice. More or less just need to come up with some rough estimates to shoot over to this guy. And from reading what everyone has said would it be totally necessary to overclock this cpu or should it run the game fine? feel like I got some mixed reviews on that.


These are the upgrades I'd do:

GPU: GIGABYTE GTX 560 Ti $209.99
RAM: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 $35.99 (This is optional, but I've seen BF3 use more than 4GB)
HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper TX3 $17.99

Overclocking probably isn't "necessary", but I'd do it anyway. gtx560ti is probably good for med/high settings in BF3. For reference, I run high textures, med shadows, 2xMSAA, HBAO at 1920x1200 on my rig. It's good for minimum 60 fps, averaging about 80.
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 9, 2012 5:19:06 PM

Gamers do not neeed more than 4 gigs and the hyper 212+ is worth it. GTX 560ti is fine
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January 9, 2012 7:44:15 PM

Thanks for the link Petrofsky didn't know they had done that, dont have much time currently to really look through it. Did some minor research on the GTX 560ti and I'm thinking I'm gonna go that way. Seems reasonably priced and from the reviews I've seen it can run BF3 flawlessly (for the most part) and no one has seemed to really had any major issues with it. Only thing I'm really concerned about still is the fact that its only a 2.5Ghz processor on the machine. And I have no intention of overclocking anything cause knowing the customer he most likely wont stay up on blowing dust out of the machine and it would most likely overheat. Maybe I'm just being paranoid and if so tell me to stop being an idiot and I gladly will.

But again thanks for all the advice, all of you have been a great help.

-Travis
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a b B Homebuilt system
January 9, 2012 8:40:42 PM

It's fun to be an idiot. I do it all the time, sometimes in international forums on the Internet. I wouldn't overclock, because when his rig goes flaky he'll blame you. Go for stability.

One of the sections of the article I linked to above deals with CPUs, though none as slow as yours. I quote (about BF3), "Any reasonably-modern processor is going to be held back by graphics long before hamstringing performance itself." Also, "It doesn’t care if you come armed with two Hyper-Threaded cores or four Bulldozer modules. It just. Doesn’t. Care." I'd give the old 2.5er a chance.

I can't believe I just called two and one-half billion operations a second "slow". My first computer ran at two meg.

The 560Ti averaged around 54 fps on High at 1920X1080. They don't show minimums, low ones of which can render even such a high framerate unplayable, but 54 is very good. It won't do Ultra, though. For that you need enthusiast gear.
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January 9, 2012 9:07:31 PM

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I wouldn't overclock, because when his rig goes flaky he'll blame you. Go for stability.


Exactly why I dont want to overclock, really dont wanna deal with him pointing fingers at me in 6 months when his machine overheats.

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The 560Ti averaged around 54 fps on High at 1920X1080. They don't show minimums, low ones of which can render even such a high framerate unplayable, but 54 is very good. It won't do Ultra, though. For that you need enthusiast gear.



Also I completely understand, I've been looking forward to BF3 coming out for a long time and have been wanting to upgrade my machine to an i7 and probably would have gone with 2x 560Ti's but as life goes on it turns out I don't have time for hardcore pc gaming anymore. So I'm in the process of just selling the machine and paying off an Asus Eee Slate that I already picked up to replace it for normal computer needs.

But I think that is the option Ill give him. Upgrade the machine with the card and you should be able to run BF3 at medium/high settings. I think that sounds pretty reasonable.

Thanks Again
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January 13, 2012 4:12:46 PM

Hey Trav,

I just got done building a new gaming rig specifically for BF3 & upcoming games..

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Here are the specs:

Cooler Master - CM Trooper Case
i5-2500K O.C. @ 4.8GHz
Cooler Master V6 GT CPU Cooler
Asus P8Z68-V
2 WD Velociraptor RAID0 (10K RPM, SATA-II, 16MB Cache)
Antec HCG PSU 750W
MSI HD6870 Twin FrozrII (O.C. @ 970MHz)
Win7 Pro x64
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I orginally bought an EVGA 560Ti SC, and wasn't satisfied w/ the results. It's a great card, on paper. But during game-play it didn't perform up to my standards. ATI cards render terrain much better IMO. The HD6870 was $50 cheaper too. With a 6870CF setup, I'll come close to my brother's GTX590 performance at half the price..


Playing BF3 @ 1080p on Ultra w/o MSAA, I get 40-50FPS.. Until I'm in an outdoor map & tanks & explosions start going off.. MSAA x2, and I'm lucky to hold 25FPS, but can drop to 15-20FPS, easy..

I'm going to put a 2nd HD6870 in there and it will be a solid rig..

Best of luck,

Travis (#2)
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