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March 2, 2013 5:04:51 AM

Ok Im going to try and simplify my situation because it would take forever to explain in detail.

HP p6000 desktop prebuilt a few years old. M2N68-LA MOBO

1. My computer shut off several days ago and wouldnt boot. I finally got into the repair console from a boot disk. What I thought thought it was telling me is that I had bad sectors on the boot portion or my HDD.

2. I buy new HDD install windows and the computer freezes on the windows logo where its about to actually start windows. I decide to try removing my fairly new HIS 7850 GPU... (I also noticed during all of this that my GPU fan would not kick in on its own... If i gave it a spin with my finger it would spin so I believe i need to send it in for a replacement). With the 7850 GPU removed the computer boots to windows but is still all fracked up and freezing etc...

3. Now that my 7850 GPU is out I was able to see another heat sink... I figure this is the integrated GPU(I guessed right). I touch the heat sink and it is super hot(Hurts to keep my finger on the fins).

4. I go to my laptop and download speedfan and burn it to a dvd. I put a box fan on the highest setting next to my open computer tower. I boot windows and everything wrks great. I install speedfan and wasnt sure what I was looking at because all it said was temp 1, temp 2, etc... everything looked normal.

5. I do thesystem updates for windows(there were 102 of them). Upon rebooting and starting up speedfan it now shows the specific temp for my onboard integrated graphics at 54 degrees c(also has a flame next to it which I assume means its to hot). This is with a box fan blowing into the tower at the highest setting while the computer idles in windows.

6. I turn the fan off and the integrated graphics jumps up to 70 degrees very quickly. I turn box fan back on and it goes back down to 54 where is stabilizes. This was all while the computer idles in windows.

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Now the integrated graphics would have gotten hotter but I turned the fan back on because I was worried that I would damage something if I didnt cool it down. Im assuming I have found the problem?

What is the correct way to fix the problem? I would like to fix it correctly... I have seen that some people attach a fan to the heat sink although that seems difficult because there isnt anwywhere for me to attach a fan to in this case.

Am I going to have to replace the whole motherboard to correct this issue(as long as it actually is the issue). What type of replacement motherboard would work in this case? Woudl I be able to use my old processor on a new motherboard?

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Within the lst year I have upgraded the Power supply to a OCZ Modstream Pro 600W... To power the previously mentioned HIS 7850. Today before installing the HDD I did put new thermal compound on the cpu which seems to be working fine. I did not do this to the GPU heat sink although the heat sink is getting plenty hot so I dont think that is the problem.

If I in deed need to get a new motherboard would it be better to get a new larger case and cannibalize this current machine for parts or just replace the MOBO... I have never done anything like this before.

I would really like some help in figuring out where to go from here. Any help is greatly appreciated guys thanks.



March 2, 2013 7:10:42 AM

Frack? Sounds like your integrated GPU is a Cylon.
a b V Motherboard
March 2, 2013 7:16:11 AM

cuddlefish said:
Ok Im going to try and simplify my situation because it would take forever to explain in detail.

HP p6000 desktop prebuilt a few years old. M2N68-LA MOBO

1. My computer shut off several days ago and wouldnt boot. I finally got into the repair console from a boot disk. What I thought thought it was telling me is that I had bad sectors on the boot portion or my HDD.

2. I buy new HDD install windows and the computer freezes on the windows logo where its about to actually start windows. I decide to try removing my fairly new HIS 7850 GPU... (I also noticed during all of this that my GPU fan would not kick in on its own... If i gave it a spin with my finger it would spin so I believe i need to send it in for a replacement). With the 7850 GPU removed the computer boots to windows but is still all fracked up and freezing etc...

3. Now that my 7850 GPU is out I was able to see another heat sink... I figure this is the integrated GPU(I guessed right). I touch the heat sink and it is super hot(Hurts to keep my finger on the fins).

4. I go to my laptop and download speedfan and burn it to a dvd. I put a box fan on the highest setting next to my open computer tower. I boot windows and everything wrks great. I install speedfan and wasnt sure what I was looking at because all it said was temp 1, temp 2, etc... everything looked normal.

5. I do thesystem updates for windows(there were 102 of them). Upon rebooting and starting up speedfan it now shows the specific temp for my onboard integrated graphics at 54 degrees c(also has a flame next to it which I assume means its to hot). This is with a box fan blowing into the tower at the highest setting while the computer idles in windows.

6. I turn the fan off and the integrated graphics jumps up to 70 degrees very quickly. I turn box fan back on and it goes back down to 54 where is stabilizes. This was all while the computer idles in windows.

.......................................................................

Now the integrated graphics would have gotten hotter but I turned the fan back on because I was worried that I would damage something if I didnt cool it down. Im assuming I have found the problem?

What is the correct way to fix the problem? I would like to fix it correctly... I have seen that some people attach a fan to the heat sink although that seems difficult because there isnt anwywhere for me to attach a fan to in this case.

Am I going to have to replace the whole motherboard to correct this issue(as long as it actually is the issue). What type of replacement motherboard would work in this case? Woudl I be able to use my old processor on a new motherboard?

.............................................................

Within the lst year I have upgraded the Power supply to a OCZ Modstream Pro 600W... To power the previously mentioned HIS 7850. Today before installing the HDD I did put new thermal compound on the cpu which seems to be working fine. I did not do this to the GPU heat sink although the heat sink is getting plenty hot so I dont think that is the problem.

If I in deed need to get a new motherboard would it be better to get a new larger case and cannibalize this current machine for parts or just replace the MOBO... I have never done anything like this before.

I would really like some help in figuring out where to go from here. Any help is greatly appreciated guys thanks.



First , your mobo (PCIe x16 1.0 ) does not support a card like HD 7850 which is PCIe 3.0 ......your bandwith was limited to almost half or less of what the card can give. Second , have you contacted Hp about this ? Third , did this problem exist before you bought that card.And last , Making the fan rotate by the hand to initiate the cooling does not refers to defective card - It referes to insufficient power which will be damaging the card internally gradually.
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March 2, 2013 3:42:36 PM

Hey a little update. Just noticed the specific model of my computer it is a HP p6214 product number is NY621AA#ABA. The MOBO might be slightly different than previously stated because of the different model number. I notice there are several variations of the M2N78-LA.

This may change things. I do remember asking on these forums and peopl telling me that this is what I should get. Im sure it was an acceptable set up. I installed. I installed a new 600W power supply with the GPU to make sure it had plenty of power.

This all worked fine for about a year. How would I chek to see if the card isnt getting enough power before I send it in? Do you think my power supply is bad?

Back to other issue what do I do about the integrated graphics?
March 2, 2013 3:43:07 PM

Warranty has been expired for over 2 years so no help from HP.
a b V Motherboard
March 2, 2013 3:50:50 PM

Dont listen to the other guy saying its incompatible due to it being pci-e 3.0. Its backwards compatible like USB is. Im gonna guess your CPU cooler is full of dust and gunk. Probably could use fresh thermal grease as well. Thats why when you turn off your box fan it heats up. Even a little bit of airflow over the bits inside cool them off quite a bit. If you dont know how to do this, take it a local shop and have them do it. And dont let them charge you an arm and a leg for it.
March 2, 2013 4:12:54 PM

Actually I had already cleaned out the CPU heatsink and applied thermal grease yesterday before I installed windows on the new hard drive. The CPU temps read fine... The integrated graphics is what is reading hot. CPU temps are staying within normal ranges.
March 3, 2013 12:56:23 AM

any ideas guys?
March 3, 2013 2:49:15 AM

Sounds like a bad mobo...try calling the mobo manufacturer and see what they say or update the drivers.
a b V Motherboard
March 3, 2013 4:04:09 AM

vrumor said:
Dont listen to the other guy saying its incompatible due to it being pci-e 3.0. Its backwards compatible like USB is. Im gonna guess your CPU cooler is full of dust and gunk. Probably could use fresh thermal grease as well. Thats why when you turn off your box fan it heats up. Even a little bit of airflow over the bits inside cool them off quite a bit. If you dont know how to do this, take it a local shop and have them do it. And dont let them charge you an arm and a leg for it.


Read before you write. I told the card will work at half the bandwith - not at its full speed. everyone knows that any PCIe card is compatible with a PCIe slot- what everyone don't know is how badly a card may affect a particular mobo in incompatibility and power insufficiency cases.And stop confusing people. Integrated Graphics overheat has nothing to do with a CPU cooling - paste or cooler.
I do think the mobo may be bad though - but still the OP should show his mobo to a local shop or something. And yeah , try the 7850 on with another PSU for one more time .
a b V Motherboard
March 3, 2013 6:57:04 AM

I will bet that hot heatsink is either the northbridge or southbridge.
It it really hot, it is almost certainly on its way out.

I had a southbridge fail and it was running very hot before it died.
a b V Motherboard
March 3, 2013 11:29:42 AM

smeezekitty said:
I will bet that hot heatsink is either the northbridge or southbridge.
It it really hot, it is almost certainly on its way out.

I had a southbridge fail and it was running very hot before it died.


I think its the northbridge as geforce chipsets with one standard PCIe 16x slot is generally attached with northbridge for better speed.
March 3, 2013 12:23:00 PM

SPEED94 said:
First , your mobo (PCIe x16 1.0 ) does not support a card like HD 7850 which is PCIe 3.0 ......your bandwith was limited to almost half or less of what the card can give. Second , have you contacted Hp about this ? Third , did this problem exist before you bought that card.And last , Making the fan rotate by the hand to initiate the cooling does not refers to defective card - It referes to insufficient power which will be damaging the card internally gradually.


PCIe versions are all backward compatible with each other, whichever part (motherboard or GPU) has the lowest speed, that is what the system runs at, on this system, i doubt the cpu is capable of feeding enough data to the GPU to use the entire PCIe 1.0 x16 bandwidth anyway unless he has a phenom x4 or similar :p  even so it's not that much of a problem, this guys problem is the chipset overheating, not the 7850 :) 
March 3, 2013 12:27:27 PM

SPEED94 said:
Read before you write. I told the card will work at half the bandwith - not at its full speed. everyone knows that any PCIe card is compatible with a PCIe slot- what everyone don't know is how badly a card may affect a particular mobo in incompatibility and power insufficiency cases.And stop confusing people. Integrated Graphics overheat has nothing to do with a CPU cooling - paste or cooler.
I do think the mobo may be bad though - but still the OP should show his mobo to a local shop or something. And yeah , try the 7850 on with another PSU for one more time .


PCIe Slots all provide the same amount of power (75w ish from what i know) even 1x slots provide same power. And it cant harm the motherboard, the only thing that would happen is the machine wouldnt come on at all and just show a warning like "Connect GPU to power supply" like mine does if i dont connect it up. If the PSU is dead, then it would cut out randomly
March 3, 2013 12:34:17 PM

SPEED94 said:
I think its the northbridge as geforce chipsets with one standard PCIe 16x slot is generally attached with northbridge for better speed.


Look at this picture;


There is only one chipset, so its probably a combo chipset doing absolutely everything that the CPU doesnt do, chipsets generally get hot anyway, so this one is going to be even hotter, at 70c and up its too hot though.
a b V Motherboard
March 3, 2013 3:00:16 PM

Matt_1 said:
Look at this picture;


There is only one chipset, so its probably a combo chipset doing absolutely everything that the CPU doesnt do, chipsets generally get hot anyway, so this one is going to be even hotter, at 70c and up its too hot though.


well if the chipset was a combo a gpu card is must and would be prescribed as a must by the manufacturer as precaution.I could not find anything like that.moreover the op is facing trouble not from the beginning - but after he took out the card.
March 3, 2013 7:04:05 PM

Im not sure on some of the terminology that you guys are using because im not as exerienced but it sounds like most everybody is in agreement that my MOBO is bad?

That picture that you posted is pretty close to my motherboard with some slight differences... I have 4 slots for ram instead of only the 2 but just about everything else is correct.

Would it helpyou guys to help me i I ran some more tests to figure out what the problem was?

The computer ran fine for years prior to putting the graphics card in and then ran fine for another year after putting it and the new power supply in.

I dont have another computer to try the 7850 in but I have the old 300W power supply. Could I power the 7850 with my old power supply while leaving everything else connected to the current power supply to see if it will spin the fans on its own?(this would just be to test the fans on the 7850/power supply)

I can try to boot off the old HDD that i thought was going bad to see if it works now that i removed the 7850 and have a box fan blowing on the inegrated gpu?


I dont know im just throwing out ideas of things to test... what do you guys think is the next logical step for me to take?
a b V Motherboard
March 4, 2013 5:15:35 AM

cuddlefish said:
Im not sure on some of the terminology that you guys are using because im not as exerienced but it sounds like most everybody is in agreement that my MOBO is bad?

That picture that you posted is pretty close to my motherboard with some slight differences... I have 4 slots for ram instead of only the 2 but just about everything else is correct.

Would it helpyou guys to help me i I ran some more tests to figure out what the problem was?

The computer ran fine for years prior to putting the graphics card in and then ran fine for another year after putting it and the new power supply in.

I dont have another computer to try the 7850 in but I have the old 300W power supply. Could I power the 7850 with my old power supply while leaving everything else connected to the current power supply to see if it will spin the fans on its own?(this would just be to test the fans on the 7850/power supply)

I can try to boot off the old HDD that i thought was going bad to see if it works now that i removed the 7850 and have a box fan blowing on the inegrated gpu?


I dont know im just throwing out ideas of things to test... what do you guys think is the next logical step for me to take?


basically what simple common sense says is somehow your mobo had not adapted your gpu - how i dare not say as some will jump on me and this thread would never end - to be diplomatic i would recommend you 2 things - just pair that gpu with any other pc with suffucient power and pcie3 slot. and dont plug in your old psu back. i bet your gpu would work - just find a friend or a relative's pc...but yeah now yoy need to change the mobo for the good of you as well as hd 7850.
March 8, 2013 10:48:49 PM

SPEED94 said:
basically what simple common sense says is somehow your mobo had not adapted your gpu - how i dare not say as some will jump on me and this thread would never end - to be diplomatic i would recommend you 2 things - just pair that gpu with any other pc with suffucient power and pcie3 slot. and dont plug in your old psu back. i bet your gpu would work - just find a friend or a relative's pc...but yeah now yoy need to change the mobo for the good of you as well as hd 7850.


From the quote you posted, he says he has a 300w psu, that is not enough, so the system won't boot, you need at least a 400w psu to boot (booting draws a lot of power before everything settles to idle).

And for goodness sakes, forget about PCIe revisions (1.0, 1.1, 2.0, 3.0 etc) , they're all backwards compatible, power is same, only difference is bandwidth, PCIe1 slot will work flawlessly with PCIe3 card, likewise PCIe3 slot with PCIe1 card. The only problem is likely to be the power supply, AMD cards suck tonnes of juice so will need a good PSU (at LEAST 400w for a 7850) The rating on a PSU is usually just it's short term max power, say a 400w psu could supply 400w for a few seconds when the system boots up etc, but could not hold out the full 400w for any length of time.

In leymans terms;
-Forget about PCIe versions and bandwidths (any x16 card will work in x16 slot as long as it physically fits)
-Get a decent PSU, do not run the 7850 on the 300w psu, if it blows, it could kill your entire system. If you have a quality brand (antec, corsair etc.) that's at least 400w (preferably more) try that, if not, get one!
March 8, 2013 11:04:04 PM

Can i not edit my posts here? :(  appologies for multiple posts (mods u can merge if you want)

Wrong motherboard... this one is his motherboard! http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01...

And it appears this board supports the integrated gpu and the pcie card displaying at the same time, so when you boot up, move your video cable between the integrated and the 7850, seeing if either of them give video output.

The fan not spinning up is probably just due to the fact that the card is cold so it could be at 20% fan power (something low) and just not spinning up. Nothing wrong with the card (my 660Ti's fans actually stop when idle) and they aren't broken.
March 9, 2013 12:55:24 AM

I am not using a 300w PSU... I have a 600w PSU.

I was referring to using the 300w to test whether or not the currently installed 600 power supply was having issues.




I get video out of each by connecting the monitor cable... Its just with the gpu in it wouldnt boot windows and when took it out the onboard gpu was overheating.

I think im going to get a new motherboard but im not sure what to get. Would i be able to get a more modern mobo that would fit into this tower? Or would it be better to buy a new case and use tehe good parts from my current system?

Ive never bought a motherboard or done anything this involved before so I apolagize if these are somewhat noobish questions....

Would I be able to use my processor in a more modern mobo


March 9, 2013 2:31:35 AM

I was hoping to get one that was compatible with my 4 2gb ram sticks... anoher poster mentioned something about having the better pci slot for my graphics card. What type of pcie slot am I looking for(the faster one).

Is the mobo that I have a micro atx or a regular size atx(Im assuming that the regular is larger).

Basically im looking for a replacement mobo that would replace the broken one and allow me to reuse all the ram and prcessor and what not...

or

Buy a new case and mobo then use old ram, processor, psu, etc...


Any suggestions that fit either of these situations? Im trying to look on newegg but this stuff is confusing me.
March 9, 2013 2:32:21 AM

How outdated is my processor by the way? Is it still at least somewhat relevant?
a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2013 2:51:50 AM

I noticed two different motherboard with a similar model number. One is mATX the other is full ATX. in any case the microATX board will fit either way.

There are several types of PCI-E but the graphics card requires PCI-E x16.
The PCI-E x16 had several revisions with the main ones being
1.0
2.0
3.0
The higher the number the faster but they are both backward and forward compatible.
The link motherboard should be able to reuse all your existing components. I didn't quite catch the CPU model but if it is AM2 then it is kind of outdated.
March 9, 2013 3:32:22 AM

smeezekitty said:
I noticed two different motherboard with a similar model number. One is mATX the other is full ATX. in any case the microATX board will fit either way.

There are several types of PCI-E but the graphics card requires PCI-E x16.
The PCI-E x16 had several revisions with the main ones being
1.0
2.0
3.0
The higher the number the faster but they are both backward and forward compatible.
The link motherboard should be able to reuse all your existing components. I didn't quite catch the CPU model but if it is AM2 then it is kind of outdated.



Figure 2: AMD Athlon II logo

Operating speed: Up to 2.6 GHz
Number of cores: 4
Socket: AM3
Bus speed: 4000 MHz HT3

EDIT* the model fro the cpu is AMD Athlon ll 620


That is my current processor. The only problem i have with the Mobo you linked is that it only has the two slots for ram instead of 4.

The 7850 gpu I have should be able to take advantage of the 3.0 pcie x 16 slot right?
a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2013 3:41:03 AM

Hmm. I thought you had an AM2 socket. If you have an AM3 CPU there is alot more motherboard available. If it has 4 ram slots it is ~probably~ full atx.
March 9, 2013 7:28:00 AM

Even though it is a 600w psu, you could still be having problems with it, i had problems running a GTX 660 Ti on a 750w psu, the 660Ti havign roughly same or slightly lower power draw, i would RMA the psu. According to the motherboard specs, he has AM2 socket... im not sure how AM2/2+/3 CPU's act in different sockets, but i would probably recomend a new CPU and motherboard.

Do you have ATX case? or mATX (microATX). for your current CPU (am3), i would recomend;

For ATX Case;
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A97_R20/

For mATX Case;
http://www.asus.com/Motherboard/M5A88M/

Both support your CPU, and allow you to upgrade your CPU to an FX-8350 or whatever.

No AMD socket motherboards support PCIe 3.0, so if you want PCI-e 3.0 you need an Intel socket motherboard with - more importantly - an IVY BRIDGE CPU. PCI-e is built into the CPU on intels, and only the IVY BRIDGE processors have 3.0, sandy bridge has 2.0

Only problem with Intel is they are much more efficient and much more powerful than AMD, hence why they are much more expensive. I would just go for the AMD socket motherboards i linked in the post

EDIT: am3 cpu's work with no restrictions in an am3+ socketed board, only difference being they arent am3+ :p 

EDIT #2: Oh wow edit works now!!!

EDIT #3: When i say i had trouble with my 750w psu, it was an ANTEC HCP 750. Unfortunately i got a faulty one, like you may possibly have. Try booting in safe mode if it gives the option, it may be dodgy drivers crashing the system before it boots up. My old Vista system with a GeForce 9800 GTX+ had problems like your having now.
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