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Llano gaming PC? cheaper than i3 build?

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January 9, 2012 12:19:35 AM

Hello, i was thinking of the possibilities of a new gaming computer using a llano cpu and a nice mobo i found real cheap with the socket, i had thought up an i3 2120 build a while ago but for a gaming capable computer it ended up being like 650$ and that was using an oem windows XP copy..

I was thinking of seeing how nice of a gaming rig i could make with a Llano APU instead, i would be getting a A4-3400 @2.7ghz, it is dual core, but the purpose is to save initial costs. upgrades will come down the road. The mobo was about 75$, for a full ATX with crossfire/SLI support (only 16x4 though instead of 8x8 or 16x16 sadly, but hey, its 80 bucks, that is almost the same price for the crap h61 i would have used in the i3 build) so i liked the motherboard, all the features i want at a good price and a upgradable future. I would later be upgrading to a higher end quad core APU probably, but people still game with core 2 duos and athlon x3s etc etc so the 3400 should be able to game for stuff liek minecraft fine shouldnt it? Anyway, is llano a good path for a very budget gaming build, preferably around 450-550$, and still have a good upgradable future? also i would be using the integrated gpu until i got money for a GTX 480 or 540 or something.

So, down the the point, is Llano any good for gaming like a couple reviews on newegg said, is it good for upgrading in the future? and are there any suggestions for it? also if i want to eventually get new graphics cards and memory (ill start off with 4gb because its cheap) what power supply should i get and how high of a wattage? usually i take what ever is suggested and add another 50W to it to be safe but... thanks!
January 9, 2012 12:31:52 AM

also remember that at first the only games i would be playing are ones like minecraft, that i can play on very low settings with a petium p6100 (only used like 40% of the cpu power when i do play) and integrated intel hd graphics, so if ti isnt powerful enough for that then that is rediculous and i am prob going to give up on giving AMD a chance lol. but anyway, i know it is a dual core and i would upgrade eventually, mainly because my desktop is a pile of lard and my laptop is not for gaming.
January 9, 2012 12:56:01 AM

I made this Jan 5. You might want to check prices.
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Total prox $571
No video card.
You can get an I3 2120 for $129 if you don't want to overclock. Save $120 over the 2500K and HSF. Leaves $150+ for video.
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January 9, 2012 6:36:45 PM

that... doesnt really answer my questions at all but its a solid looking setup. would you happen to know the answer to my actual questions?
January 9, 2012 6:41:00 PM

A llano build is good for tight budgets but lacks upgradeability. I would look at Delroy's answer for a good, future-proof build,
a b 4 Gaming
January 9, 2012 6:58:40 PM

Yes, Llano is a good budget solution. However for $550 you can do better. Llano is the $300-$400 range winner.
January 9, 2012 7:06:06 PM

he is looking at 400$ tops, and i would say if it starts with the dual core then when he needs more punch the A* would do i nice job, ive seen people still gaming on pentium 4s so. but my main questions are whether it can handle G-mod tyoe games and older games, or even when he upgrades it if he wanted to play games like crysis 2 or something, he mostly just wants smooth gameplay not max settings on the best games with all settings up, his main gaming takes place on the XBOX360.
a b 4 Gaming
January 9, 2012 7:15:49 PM

The top of the line A8-3870K, motherboard and 8 GB RAM is about $240. Don't go for the dual core.
January 9, 2012 7:26:58 PM

he wanted a dual core, it shoul d be plenty, he playes his games with an athlon 64. and the dual core is 65$, the quad is about 140, thats a big difference that i can spend on things that arent so easy to uograde, like hard rdives, which because of the flooding, are very expencive, its 80$ for a 250GB hard drive. thats a good portion of his 400$ right there. the only things he has for the computer already are the case, which is kinda crappy and as far as i know has hardly any airflow and the prehiperals like monitors etc. so with just adding up the costs of all the other stuff i think his best bet is lower end cpu for now, when he needs more power ill get him a new video card and A8 probably. its sonetmes you need performance now and more performance later, why make a new computer with more cost so you have to wait longer for it, then when you have to upgrade you have to spend more money?
a b 4 Gaming
January 9, 2012 7:32:20 PM

That's the first I've heard upgrading a HDD is harder than upgrading a CPU.
January 9, 2012 7:56:33 PM

not harder but more time consuming, and sometimes more expencive if you buy a good hard drive and a new OS.. and any software you bought. CPU all you need to do is wait for your OS to recognize new hardware.
February 26, 2012 6:46:35 PM

get the a4 now and later he can upgrade into thee pile driver"Trinity" cpus
February 26, 2012 7:38:55 PM

mitunchidamparam said:
get the a4 now and later he can upgrade into thee pile driver"Trinity" cpus

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the pile driver "Trinity" CPUs will only be compatible with the FM2 socket? Are they backwards compatible?
February 26, 2012 9:48:58 PM

For $350-400 you could put together a nice Llano quad core build- but there's just not much upgradeability there. Trinity's will be using the FM2, backwards compatability is rumored but neither confirmed or denied. I'd go I3 if possible, then you have at least I5s or I7s, and Ivy Bridge potential. Also, I know a place where you can get a new 250 gig 7200 RPM HDD for $45. But its top secret... PM me if interested