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January 10, 2012 1:20:24 AM

hey guys just giving you a heads up but this is my first build so very unsure about anything...
i know this has been beaten to death, and there are a lot of threads on it. But i still need help making the best gaming pc i can on a 1-1.5k budget. forget keyboard and mouse (have them) (do not have a monitor but have a plasma tv was thinking of using... 52in 1080p)

So I would appreciate at least some basic ideas for the build ill post my ideas below and if i can be pointed in the correct direction plz do.

ps. Is there another big sale anytime soon? (missed the black friday sale and that could have save me some $$$)

1: CPU -i7 2600k $319 or i7-2600 $299
now i know alot of the 1k buids use the i5 but it seems like the bench marks show that the extra $ is worth it. (but i am completely new as i said)
i5 2500k $219.


2: Mother board, This is where i have NO IDEA what should i pick how should i pick it ect.
only ideas i have are, I would like it to be able to use a SSD, and be able to have up two 32g of ram (will just go with 16 for now)

3: Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (this was recommended by a friend) $79
can i go cheaper on the cases?

4: GPU
ok so once again not sure i read a article show the benchmarks on running cards in SL or crossfire where better overall performance, ect you could get micro-shuttering (which it lead me to believe was a big problem) so what is the opinion here?

was thinking maybe radon 6950 $250

5: ram 16g
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
now does it matter if its 1333mHz or 1600mHz as its 3-4 dollers more for the 1600

6: PSU do i need anything more than a 750W? or can i use a 700W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$69

7: CD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168... $17
i could combo a hard drive and get a free one next line

8: Hard drive. Is it better to go with lower space and save $ for SSD?
this is $124 1Tb and comes with a free CD burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

9: SSD, so now i read that some of the mother boards can only use upto 64G of a SSD? do not understand why then do they have all the other sizes?

so there are ones for $100 64g, to $130 128G and up.

did i forget anything?

total with out mother board is $1028 (useing i7-2600k CPU and 64G SSD)

plz could use all the help this is a bit redundant but plz help :pt1cable: 

thx

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January 10, 2012 1:37:45 AM

1.Since this is a gaming build, you will not benefit from hyperthreading on the i7. So I would suggest the i5.

Do you plan on overclocking? Cause this can affect the PSU you need.

2. The ASUS P8Z68-V should do. It has great reviews on Newegg and supports SLI and Crossfire if you decide to go that route.

3. The case is something you should pick out since you will be the one looking at it all the time. Just check reviews to see what problems you could encounter.

4. If you want to stay closer to a 1K build, you don't need to go SLI or Crossfire. And the 6950 should do fine. My brother just got a 6970 and he loves it. He said he is able to play everything with incredible graphics and a high fps. So if you want to bump up the GPU a bit, go for the 6970 or even the 7970.

5. This is a fairly common mistake. You will not need 16GB RAM if you will be just gaming. I would suggest 8GB from G Skill. Good price and extremely highly rated RAM on Newegg.

6. Cooler master does not make good PSUs. I would suggest either Antec or Corsair. Here is an Antec 750 watt that should do fine for you.

7. Any DVD burner will do.

8. I suggest an SSD because they are probably the single best upgrade you can make and will make your build feel so much faster. Unfortunately, hard drive prices are extremely high right now considering the floods and may take a few months to come back down. If you have an older drive you can use until prices come down, I would suggest that. Otherwise, you should look into a 500 GB drive and an SSD. When it comes to SSDs, do not get an OCZ Vertex 3, too many reported problems with the Sandforce controller. Personally, I would suggest either a Samsung 830 or a Crucial M4 as both are extremely reliable.

9. Not sure about the 64 GB max, somebody else might be able to help with that.

So going with 8GB RAM and an i5 will give you some more wiggle room which could provide for a 128 GB SSD or an actual monitor instead of using a TV.
January 10, 2012 7:41:12 AM

^+1 for 8GB and an i5. If you want to overclock, add on a HSF like the Hyper 212 Evo Regarding micro-stuttering, yeah you don't really want to go with dual low end cards. It's less noticeable with higher end ones like the 6950.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...
No, motherboards don't have max SSD capacities. Maybe you were thinking of SRT? It only allows for 64GB...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4329/intel-z68-chipset-sm...

Here's another PSU option
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 10, 2012 3:57:50 PM

thanks for the replies!
I do not understand why would I (for gaming) not be able to take advantage of the i7 core?

If i do go ahead and OC I will need another CPU fan correct? I have never OC but might start reading up on it, if it is the best thing for gaming ect. I will be doing some video and pic editing but I am not going to be making shrek. :sol: 

So basically the question i have now are:

1: Whats the difference between i5 and i7
2: If CPU really not that big of a deal for gaming ie go with i5, should i then put more money into GPU or even duals?
3: is the 560Ti perhaps a good idea to run in SL (total would be $400 a bit pricy)

4: what type of monitor :pt1cable: 
5: if i run two GPU's would i need a bigger PSU?

thanks alot guys
January 10, 2012 4:52:01 PM

the k has an unlocked multiplier, but lacks some virtualization/management technologies (VT-D and a few others)

the non-k has the virtualization/management tech, but the multiplier is locked so overclocking is limited.

multiple monitors is largely preferential I don't think it's going to give you much of an advantage over single monitor setups.
January 10, 2012 10:02:50 PM

Here is an updated build with all links.
Plz give me any pointers thanks

1: CPU, i5-2500k $219
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2: Operating system... (forgot this) $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3: Mother board (whats the difference)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4: GPU, (here i have several options need advice)
AMD 6970 2Gb $330
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
run them in duel for $660 not sure how these handle micro shuttering (that is more than a 7XXX but there unlivable)
AMD6870 run in 3x
run the 2G and a 1G vs which toms hard ware showed had one of the best results in reducing micro-shuttering
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $219 before rebate (189 with)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$180

so only reason to run the 2Gb and 1Gb is b.c of the micro shutter issue can anyone ad some light to this? (ie should why is it that the 2 and 1 gb in crossfire work better than 2 and 2?

5: ram: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $40 (maybe go 16g if sale.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


6: PSU, CORSAIR 850W $134
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

7: Hard drive (prices are sky high still :cry:  so was thinking of just going with a 160G hard drive till they drop and then pick up a 1-2tb drive and run that mirrored?
$80, comes with CD/Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

8: SSD
128G Crucial M4 $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


9: Case (do i need to go with a full size case based upon the GPUs i have picked?)
January 10, 2012 10:06:26 PM

GreatBigNoob007 said:
thanks for the replies!
I do not understand why would I (for gaming) not be able to take advantage of the i7 core?

If i do go ahead and OC I will need another CPU fan correct? I have never OC but might start reading up on it, if it is the best thing for gaming ect. I will be doing some video and pic editing but I am not going to be making shrek. :sol: 

So basically the question i have now are:

1: Whats the difference between i5 and i7
2: If CPU really not that big of a deal for gaming ie go with i5, should i then put more money into GPU or even duals?
3: is the 560Ti perhaps a good idea to run in SL (total would be $400 a bit pricy)

4: what type of monitor :pt1cable: 
5: if i run two GPU's would i need a bigger PSU?

thanks alot guys


1. i7 has what is called hyperthreading that allows for two threads to be run on a single core. This is useful for people who utilize multithreaded apps. This really comes in handy for people who do a lot of rendering. The i5 does not have hyperthreading. And games do not take full advantage of multiple cores, so you would essentially be paying for something you would never use.

2. You could either put the money into a better GPU, dual GPUs, or a good SSD. That is really up to you.

3. The 560 Ti is a great GPU and would do great in SLI. However, you may want to consider a GTX 570 so that if you get more money later, you could then use that to setup dual GTX 570s. Or if $400 for dual 560 Tis is too much, a single 570 might work in your budget.

4. I get very picky with my monitors. I do a lot of color sensitive work so I will never suggest a monitor with a TN panel. Unfortunately, TN panels are the cheap ones and IPS panels are the more expensive. However, IPS panels provide much better viewing angles and color accuracy. If you want a good IPS panel at a good price, look at the Dell u2412m and the Dell u2312hm. The only advice I can give you in regards to TN panels is that LED doesn't really do anything. A lot of people say "oh, its an LED monitor so it must be good." However, LED is only referring to the backlighting. This type of backlighting provides for a more instant on whereas CCFL backlighting can take around 15 seconds, depending on the monitor, to warm up and reach full brightness. However, some say that LED provides more accurate color while others say CCFL provides more accurate color.

5. If you run two GPUs I would suggest an 850 watt PSU by Corsair or Antec.

GreatBigNoob007 said:
another question:
what is the differnce between these two?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also does multiple monitors help (in games)


The 2500K is going to be better if you want to overclock, otherwise go for the 2500.

slhpss said:
the k has an unlocked multiplier, but lacks some virtualization/management technologies (VT-D and a few others)

the non-k has the virtualization/management tech, but the multiplier is locked so overclocking is limited.

multiple monitors is largely preferential I don't think it's going to give you much of an advantage over single monitor setups.


+1 ^^

Here is a video for eyefinity, some people seem to think it has its advantages.
January 10, 2012 10:08:28 PM

For Tri-Fire, you will need a better PSU. I recommend the 1000W Corsair PSU.
January 10, 2012 10:18:17 PM

GreatBigNoob007 said:
Here is an updated build with all links.
Plz give me any pointers thanks

1: CPU, i5-2500k $219
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2: Operating system... (forgot this) $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3: Mother board (whats the difference)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4: GPU, (here i have several options need advice)
AMD 6970 2Gb $330
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
run them in duel for $660 not sure how these handle micro shuttering (that is more than a 7XXX but there unlivable)
AMD6870 run in 3x
run the 2G and a 1G vs which toms hard ware showed had one of the best results in reducing micro-shuttering
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $219 before rebate (189 with)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$180

so only reason to run the 2Gb and 1Gb is b.c of the micro shutter issue can anyone ad some light to this? (ie should why is it that the 2 and 1 gb in crossfire work better than 2 and 2?

5: ram: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $40 (maybe go 16g if sale.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


6: PSU, CORSAIR 850W $134
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

7: Hard drive (prices are sky high still :cry:  so was thinking of just going with a 160G hard drive till they drop and then pick up a 1-2tb drive and run that mirrored?
$80, comes with CD/Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

8: SSD
128G Crucial M4 $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


9: Case (do i need to go with a full size case based upon the GPUs i have picked?)


1. Good CPU

2. If you really need professional, then go for it. But you probably won't, in which case go for Home Premium.

3. The GIGABYTE will have more USB and SATA ports. Also, I am not seeing where the ASUS supports SLI or Crossfire. So if you want a dual GPU setup, go for the GIGABYTE.

4. I would say look at some benchmarks, that might help you decide. I know the 6970 will be able to handle just about everything with incredible graphics at high and ultra settings.

5. Good RAM. 16 GB won't benefit you.

6. Good PSU, Corsair is a good brand.

7. If you want to, you can get a Seagate 500GB for $85. Otherwise waiting is probably a wise decision.

8. That is a very good and reliable SSD.

9. If you are going to do a dual GPU setup, I would definitely recommend a full tower just to give you more room to work with. It will make installing everything a little easier and provide for better airflow within the case. A full tower is not really necessary, but good airflow is always something to think about. And even if you only start with a single GPU, like a 570 or 6970, you may want to consider a full tower so that it will make it easier to add another GPU if you decide to in the future.
January 10, 2012 11:00:03 PM

Quote:
4. I get very picky with my monitors. I do a lot of color sensitive work so I will never suggest a monitor with a TN panel. Unfortunately, TN panels are the cheap ones and IPS panels are the more expensive. However, IPS panels provide much better viewing angles and color accuracy. If you want a good IPS panel at a good price, look at the Dell u2412m and the Dell u2312hm. The only advice I can give you in regards to TN panels is that LED doesn't really do anything. A lot of people say "oh, its an LED monitor so it must be good." However, LED is only referring to the backlighting. This type of backlighting provides for a more instant on whereas CCFL backlighting can take around 15 seconds, depending on the monitor, to warm up and reach full brightness. However, some say that LED provides more accurate color while others say CCFL provides more accurate color.


thank you know i know what is what about monitors, will probably just go with a "cheepy" till have more $$$ and play video games on my 52in 1080p tv."


Is there any more thoughts on the GPU set ups? Do i need a differnt motherboard for dual 6970 does this even make sence with the 7xxx out now?
thanks for all the help looks like might be able to finalize this build soon.



January 11, 2012 12:17:28 AM

GreatBigNoob007 said:
Quote:
thank you know i know what is what about monitors, will probably just go with a "cheepy" till have more $$$ and play video games on my 52in 1080p tv."


Is there any more thoughts on the GPU set ups? Do i need a differnt motherboard for dual 6970 does this even make sence with the 7xxx out now?
thanks for all the help looks like might be able to finalize this build soon.
Quote:


A few things on your GPU

1. If you want to do dual 6970s, you will need a motherboard that supports crossfire. Looking back at the two motherboards you linked to, it looks like the ASUS does not support Crossfire but the GIGABYTE does. If you would like an ASUS motherboard that supports Crossfire, I would suggest the ASUS P8Z68-V because it supports both SLI and Crossfire and is a few dollars cheaper than the GIGABYTE.

2. Remember that if you do a dual GPU setup, you will need a power supply that can handle both cards. If you are thinking about doing this, I would suggest getting a good PSU from the start so you won't have to spend the money on it later.

3. Two 6970s will be more powerful than a single 7970. However, two 7970s will, of course, be more powerful than two 6970s.

4. The 7970 uses PCI Express 3.0, which is backwards compatible. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but some motherboards will be able to upgrade to PCI Express 3.0 through a simple update, no new hardware required. However, the motherboards that will support this through a quick update must already have the right kind of PCI Express 2.0 slots. I have read on the forums here that ASUS motherboards will be able to upgrade to PCI Express 3.0 with a simple update, but GIGABYTE "cheaped out" and will not have that capability. Now, I did get that information from someone on these forums and cannot back that up, but I figured it was worth mentioning.

EDIT: And if you care, it looks like the ASUS P8Z68-V that I linked to also has bluetooth.
January 11, 2012 8:37:03 PM

Quote:
2. Remember that if you do a dual GPU setup, you will need a power supply that can handle both cards. If you are thinking about doing this, I would suggest getting a good PSU from the start so you won't have to spend the money on it later.


What would be a good one? 1050W?
also you said that Coolmaster does not make good PSU even if its on sale do not buy one?

how is this? It was used in DEC system build marathon.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Quote:
4. The 7970 uses PCI Express 3.0, which is backwards compatible. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but some motherboards will be able to upgrade to PCI Express 3.0 through a simple update, no new hardware required. However, the motherboards that will support this through a quick update must already have the right kind of PCI Express 2.0 slots. I have read on the forums here that ASUS motherboards will be able to upgrade to PCI Express 3.0 with a simple update, but GIGABYTE "cheaped out" and will not have that capability. Now, I did get that information from someone on these forums and cannot back that up, but I figured it was worth mentioning.


should i just get a better mother board for future upgrades? If so what would it be?

updated build (basically think this is good still ify on the GPU)

thanks for all the help!


January 12, 2012 2:37:44 AM

GreatBigNoob007 said:
Quote:
2. Remember that if you do a dual GPU setup, you will need a power supply that can handle both cards. If you are thinking about doing this, I would suggest getting a good PSU from the start so you won't have to spend the money on it later.


What would be a good one? 1050W?
also you said that Coolmaster does not make good PSU even if its on sale do not buy one?

how is this? It was used in DEC system build marathon.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Quote:
4. The 7970 uses PCI Express 3.0, which is backwards compatible. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but some motherboards will be able to upgrade to PCI Express 3.0 through a simple update, no new hardware required. However, the motherboards that will support this through a quick update must already have the right kind of PCI Express 2.0 slots. I have read on the forums here that ASUS motherboards will be able to upgrade to PCI Express 3.0 with a simple update, but GIGABYTE "cheaped out" and will not have that capability. Now, I did get that information from someone on these forums and cannot back that up, but I figured it was worth mentioning.


should i just get a better mother board for future upgrades? If so what would it be?

updated build (basically think this is good still ify on the GPU)

thanks for all the help!


Ya that wattage should be fine. Just look for Antec, Corsair, or OCZ power supplies with good efficiency (80 plus gold certified is the best, then silver, bronze...).

Generally cooler master PSUs are no good. Even if they are on say, that won't affect the quality. My best advice for you is to try and find make room in your budget for a quality PSU.

The Antec 900 watt should fine, good brand, good wattage, and 80 plus Bronze means it has pretty good efficiency.

I would advise towards an ASUS motherboard. They make quality boards and, from what I have read, will support PCI Express 3.0 with a simple update.

And just a reminder, go with Windows 7 Home Premium instead of Professional.
January 12, 2012 2:39:46 PM

slhpss said:
actually platinum is the best... unless using a redundant data center supply... in which case titanium is the best... though it seems no power supply is rated titanium nevertheless the spec exists

http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSupplies.as...

They do exist. But I was talking in terms of what is more realistic in this situation.
January 13, 2012 1:48:46 AM

so final build it is a bit more pricy but just can not seem to find places to cut corners that i am will to...
(the case i could cut down on a bit but well its just so great only case I and the wife could agree on so, thats that...)

case-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
should i get another couple fans with this?

hard-drive and cd player
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
edit:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Not sure yet but one of those 3

Ram-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mother board-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
IT was $70 dollars off just a little bit ago!!!!!!!
edit how is this SSD?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Anyway should i wait a bit or just go with this build?
January 13, 2012 2:08:30 AM

GreatBigNoob007 said:
so final build it is a bit more pricy but just can not seem to find places to cut corners that i am will to...
(the case i could cut down on a bit but well its just so great only case I and the wife could agree on so, thats that...)

case-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
should i get another couple fans with this?

hard-drive and cd player
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Not sure yet but one of those 3

Ram-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mother board-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
IT was $70 dollars off just a little bit ago!!!!!!!
edit how is this SSD?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Anyway should i wait a bit or just go with this build?


The case is something you don't want to cut corners with. It is something that you can reuse in builds to come. Also, you will be looking at it every day for a while, so hopefully it won't make your eyes burn ;) 

Any computer component's worst enemy is heat. Good airflow is always advised. If you want to go with some extra fans, make sure they are the right size. And if you want to go with a fan that also has LEDs, make sure you wife doesn't hate the color you pick :) 

That is a very powerful GPU, you will love it.

The PSU will depend on what your intended use of the system is. Both overclocking and crossfire will require extra power. If you think there is a possibility of you wanting to do either of those, then you should go for a more powerful PSU. Think of it this way: Say you buy the OCZ 850 Watt for $170 and do no overclocking or crossfire. Then a year later you decide you want to add another 6970 and OC the mother out of your CPU and your PSU won't handle it. Now you have to go and buy a $200 PSU. So essentially you spent $370 on your PSU when you could have just spent $200 in the first place. Now this shouldn't happen because an efficient 850 watt or 900 watt should be able to handle overclocking and dual 6970s. So I think you will be fine with either the Antec 900 watt or the OCZ 850 watt as both make quality PSUs. In this instance, you may be better off with the OCZ because it is extremely efficient and fully modular, which will help with airflow since you can take out any unused cables. Also, I looked at some of the reviews for the Antec and it looks like some people were saying that it got fairly loud.

RAM, motherboard, and CPU all look really good.

As for the SSD, Intel makes reliable SSDs. However, that is an older SSD that is only SATA II. The Crucial M4 will be twice as fast whenever you read any sort of data. This includes booting your system up, loading a game, and loading a large application.

If you want to wait, you could get an Ivy Bridge i5 or an AMD 7000 series GPU. However, I am not sure on pricing for these, someone else might need to give you advice on that.
January 13, 2012 2:22:42 AM

Quote:
If you want to wait, you could get an Ivy Bridge i5 or an AMD 7000 series GPU. However, I am not sure on pricing for these, someone else might need to give you advice on that.


what is the difference between the ivy bridge i5, and the i52500k? what about the AMD?
also how long of a wait...
January 13, 2012 2:35:45 AM

GreatBigNoob007 said:
Quote:
If you want to wait, you could get an Ivy Bridge i5 or an AMD 7000 series GPU. However, I am not sure on pricing for these, someone else might need to give you advice on that.


what is the difference between the ivy bridge i5, and the i52500k? what about the AMD?
also how long of a wait...

Well the AMD 7970 just came out, but I believe they already sold out on newegg. Also the 7970 is like $500.

Ivy Bride will be the update to Intels CPUs, which are currently Sandy Bridge CPUs. The difference will be a 10-15% increase in performance from what I have read. Those may not come out until March or April. I think the main benefit to Ivy Bridge CPUs is their on board graphics which are meant for laptops and low end desktops.
January 13, 2012 4:31:08 AM

Quote:
Those may not come out until March or April

:(  cant wait that long.!!!!

the 7970 is 550 and 200 more than the6970 but i read some stuff on it and it is a beast, just do not think i can split for one that expensive... 6970 should be good?

also the mother board i picked thats going to be good for overclocking correct? cause i will do that in about a year when i go dual 6970s and crank up that I5 :sol: 
January 13, 2012 4:41:55 AM

GreatBigNoob007 said:
Quote:
Those may not come out until March or April

:(  cant wait that long.!!!!

the 7970 is 550 and 200 more than the6970 but i read some stuff on it and it is a beast, just do not think i can split for one that expensive... 6970 should be good?

also the mother board i picked thats going to be good for overclocking correct? cause i will do that in about a year when i go dual 6970s and crank up that I5 :sol: 

6970 will definitely be good. I suggested that GPU for my brother and he has been able to max out everything so far. And at $550, you wouldn't be too far off from buying another 6970. And dual 6970s will definitely be more powerful than a single 7970.

Oh ya, that board will definitely be good for overclocking. Here is all the specifications for that board in case you are interested
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P6...
January 14, 2012 1:50:23 AM

well the build basically broke the bank so to speak and I went on a barrgon hunting spree are a bunch of different options:

build 1

1477.90 before rebates
Case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HD- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU/dvd/cd - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
psu/motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
GPU/ram- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Monitor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(not the best but will have to do)
SSD- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(also not the best, but trying to save money (the rebates add up)

Build 2
1546.97 befor rebates
This is funny cause its a better CPU, and almost same

package- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I...
same monitor, GPU, and SSD card (added on to bundle)

Build 3
drops price down too 1330-1380 (depending on price of ram)

same as build 1: just different GPU and mother board
GPU
between
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

how is this motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


so i know I have been asking allot of the same questions, here it goes again :hello: 
Bang for the buck how are these 3 builds? if there was a way to drop them down to say 1100 before rebates is that possible?

Thanks
January 14, 2012 5:08:52 AM

GreatBigNoob007 said:
well the build basically broke the bank so to speak and I went on a barrgon hunting spree are a bunch of different options:

build 1

1477.90 before rebates
Case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HD- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU/dvd/cd - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
psu/motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
GPU/ram- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Monitor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(not the best but will have to do)
SSD- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(also not the best, but trying to save money (the rebates add up)

Build 2
1546.97 befor rebates
This is funny cause its a better CPU, and almost same

package- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I...
same monitor, GPU, and SSD card (added on to bundle)

Build 3
drops price down too 1330-1380 (depending on price of ram)

same as build 1: just different GPU and mother board
GPU
between
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

how is this motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


so i know I have been asking allot of the same questions, here it goes again :hello: 
Bang for the buck how are these 3 builds? if there was a way to drop them down to say 1100 before rebates is that possible?

Thanks


Haha no worries, it is always fun to help others with this sort of stuff!

Build 1:
Everything looks really good except for 2 things.
1. The monitor, but I have already told you what I think about non IPS panels :) 
2. The SSD has some major problems with the Sandforce controller. Get the Crucial M4 128GB instead. It is the same price and MUCH more reliable. OCZ SSDs are either a hit or miss, and it would suck to get a miss!
Edit: Just saw the mail in rebate for the OCZ which would make it cheaper. Just remember that you are more likely to get an unreliable SSD from OCZ than you are from Crucial.

Build 2:
The PSU is a lower wattage and worse efficiency. If you went with this I would advice towards a different PSU, especially if you want to overclock or set up crossfire.

In some ways you may be paying extra for things you will not use. First off, don't get it if you do not like the case as you will be looking at it every day. Also, you will be paying an additional $100 for the CPU when it will not benefit you at all during gaming. You would also be paying a lot for a 1TB drive because the prices are so high right now.

Build 3:
I am not a fan of MSI motherboards. Also, that one does not support SLI or Crossfire. So a dual GPU setup will not be supported.

I would suggest checking out a GPU benchmark on the difference between a 6970 and a 6950. However, it is worth noting that you could start off with a 6950 to save some money. Then when you have some more to spend, you could then use it buy a second 6950 and then Crossfire them. Two 6950s will destroy a single 6970.
January 14, 2012 5:06:34 PM

Quote:
Haha no worries, it is always fun to help others with this sort of stuff!


YEA I AM LOVING BUILDING THIS PC. Most fun I have had in a while :bounce: 


ok Motherboards confuse the hell out of me.

lets look at the MSI and ASUS board as a comparison.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.796178
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

now i know you said you do not like MSI motherboards but this is just for my understanding.

so the MSI expansion slot is 2x16

where as the ASUS is 3 (x16/0 or x8/x8, x4)

whats the difference?


As to the GPU having such a hard time cutting down just might have to spend the extra money.

EDIT:

So i did some research on the new intell CPU's coming out. prices will basicly be the same as the current generation, but with the possible 20% gains on performance.

No i have no idea what to do, should I just wait till april/may when these come out? would it be worth it?
Does anyone think that GPU prices will fall by then? ie the 6970 prices?
would prices on SSD, or HDD be lower?

basically I am trying to see if I could get better performance for same $, or even less. (should i buy some of the prices now? like the PSU (since good deal?) or do deals like that run all the time? The GPU 6970 i was looking at went up $20 in 12hrs just like that. make shopping for this stuff very frustrating since you do a rough build and bam you can be up 200 bucks b.c everthing went up 10-20 ect.

Quote:
1. The monitor, but I have already told you what I think about non IPS panels :) 
2. The SSD has some major problems with the Sandforce controller. Get the Crucial M4 128GB instead. It is the same price and MUCH more reliable. OCZ SSDs are either a hit or miss, and it would suck to get a miss!


yes i know about the monitors, just cant spend the cash on that now.

the SSD drive i am conflicked want to see how lucky i am :kaola:  but also would feel safer with the Cruical M4 just comes back to overall money saved...
January 14, 2012 9:23:09 PM

GreatBigNoob007 said:


YEA I AM LOVING BUILDING THIS PC. Most fun I have had in a while :bounce: 


ok Motherboards confuse the hell out of me.

lets look at the MSI and ASUS board as a comparison.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.796178
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

now i know you said you do not like MSI motherboards but this is just for my understanding.

so the MSI expansion slot is 2x16

where as the ASUS is 3 (x16/0 or x8/x8, x4)

whats the difference?


For the PCI Express slots, the higher the number the faster they will be. Obviously you want to put your GPU in the faster ones. Both motherboards will be able to support SLI and Crossfire. However, the ASUS motherboard has 3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots so you would be able to run 3 GPUs on that motherboard whereas the MSI will only support 2. This shouldn't be a problem if you only plan on having two GPUs. In which case you may want to go for MSI since it will be cheaper after the mail in rebate. Both will serve you well, but I am just a bit more biased towards ASUS :) 


GreatBigNoob007 said:
So i did some research on the new intell CPU's coming out. prices will basicly be the same as the current generation, but with the possible 20% gains on performance.

No i have no idea what to do, should I just wait till april/may when these come out? would it be worth it?
Does anyone think that GPU prices will fall by then? ie the 6970 prices?
would prices on SSD, or HDD be lower?


Wether or not it is worth the wait is up to you. If you need your computer now, then you should get it. Just because new CPUs come out doesn't mean your computer will automatically be weak. The build you have going is a solid build that will last and perform really well. If having the newest components is important to you, then you should wait. But that does not at all mean the current components are bad.

GPU prices on the 6000 series could definitely drop since the 7000 series have started to show up.
SSD and HDD prices will definitely be coming down. The reason HDD prices are so high right now is because of the floods in Thailand where one of the main components of HDDs are made. HDDs are made in different countries, but a certain component that all drives need are made in Thailand. SSD prices will continue to go down as the technology ages.

GreatBigNoob007 said:
basically I am trying to see if I could get better performance for same $, or even less. (should i buy some of the prices now? like the PSU (since good deal?) or do deals like that run all the time? The GPU 6970 i was looking at went up $20 in 12hrs just like that. make shopping for this stuff very frustrating since you do a rough build and bam you can be up 200 bucks b.c everthing went up 10-20 ect.


I would suggest buying everything at once. The reason is because if you buy them separately and you have to wait a month before you can actually build it, that means your return period would have already ended. You also do not want to wait a month to find out that a component is DOA. You want to find broken components right away. Newegg will always have deals, but they may not always be the deals you are looking for.
January 15, 2012 3:41:27 PM

Last question for a while what do you think of these PSU there on sale and would total of $90, also should i stick only to gold rated or higher? (cause the price difference between a gold a bronze high end name brand PSU is huge!)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

just think i am going to go with the build i have, have you heard anything on the new ivy bridges being supported on any of the current motherboards?
January 15, 2012 5:35:16 PM

GreatBigNoob007 said:
Last question for a while what do you think of these PSU there on sale and would total of $90, also should i stick only to gold rated or higher? (cause the price difference between a gold a bronze high end name brand PSU is huge!)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

just think i am going to go with the build i have, have you heard anything on the new ivy bridges being supported on any of the current motherboards?

I honestly can't say on that PSU. I do not know enough about Raidmax or the quality of their products.

For the new Ivy Bridge CPUs, it looks like they will be backwards compatibile with previous motherboards. Although they will have support for a new chipset that will have some new features. Something like that would require a new motherboard. This may help explain it better:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4830/intels-ivy-bridge-ar...
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