460 vs 560(non ti)

[Cruzieman]

currently my desktop is running battlefield 3 abysmally, so i'm thinking about upgrading. i wanted to make sure you guys thought it was worthwhile before spending the money though.

my rig as follows:
vista 64 bit
intel core 2 quad q8300@2.5ghz
8gb ddr2 ram
nvidia gt220 1028 mb


I'm thinking of upgrading from the gt 220 to the gtx 460 or gtx 560(non ti). Do you think my computer can handle it, or will my cpu bottleneck either of them? also, are the power requirements of the 220 and others somewhat similar? finally, do you think the $25 upgrade from the 460 or 560 is worth it?

 

[monsta]

Yes the 560 is worth the upgrade thats for sure ,it also depends on your PSU power rating. It would be worth giving the cpu an overclock and you see better performance from it.

 

[cps1974]

the gtx 460 and gtx 560 are so closely priced, providing the psu is up to the job and subject to OC on the cpu in order to allow the cards to stretch their legs - the gtx 560 will be the way forward.
examples:

MSI N460GTX Hawk GeForce GTX 460
Core Clock: 780MHz
Now: $159.99
$139.99 with Rebate
Free Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127518


MSI N560GTX Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560
Core Clock: 870MHz
Now: $199.99
$179.99 with Rebate
$7.56 Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127593


I have the above MSI GTX 460 in my system paired with a Gigabyte GTX 460 SuperOverclock, they both run @ 815MHz without problem in SLI.

When the Gigabyte was a single card in my system it was able to reach +900MHz with ease, 60c max and the fans barely went over the default and silent 40%. The MSI does have a more aggressive and therefore loud default cooling profile, but its not objectionably loud imho

the above said, the clocks speeds differ by approx 11.5% yet the price difference is +33% between the example 460 & 560


chaz

 

[amuffin]

They are "literally" the same card, as the 560 is just an insanely overclocked 460.

 

[jeffredo]

I tested an EVGA GTX 560 SC (850 Mhz) against my GTX 460 1GB (overclocked to exactly the same clocks). On the same PC the GTX 460 game out slightly less than 5% faster than the GTX 560 on the Passmark 3D benchmark.

Basically, they perform more or less the same clock for clock. The only difference is the GTX 560 has more overclocking headroom. The GTX 460 topped out using voltage tweaks at 875 Mhz. The GTX 560 without voltage tweaks topped out at 930 Mhz.

 

[cps1974]

They are "literally" the same card, as the 560 is just an insanely overclocked 460.

I did think this but someone posted recently suggesting the GTX 560 (non ti) had different architecture which at the time I thought was incorrect,

but also my Gigabyte rocks - GTX 460 SuperOverclock - ran to 930MHz without problem and without voltage tweaking as single card - after 930MHz it drops off the cliff so to speak
temps never 60c - I so wish I could have found another (I had to use MSI N460 Hawk for my SLI, although I did get a decent price)


chaz

 

[jeffredo]

I did think this but someone posted recently suggesting the GTX 560 (non ti) had different architecture which at the time I thought was incorrect,

but also my Gigabyte rocks - GTX 460 SuperOverclock - ran to 930MHz without problem and without voltage tweaking as single card - after 930MHz it drops off the cliff so to speak
temps never 60c - I so wish I could have found another (I had to use MSI N460 Hawk for my SLI, although I did get a decent price)


chaz

Every card is different (including stock voltage) and your results really aren't typical. Most GTX 460s do well to make it into the mid 800 Mhz range without a tweak - especially reference cooler cards (like mine).

 

[Cruzieman]

so I opened up my tower and checked out my psu. It looks like I have a 400w power supply. do you think that is enough? If i were to get into overclocking my cpu would that add a lot of power consumption into the system?

also, how dramatic is the difference between pci-e 1 and 2? I don't think my motherboard has a pci-e 2 slot, but i did read that they are fully backward and forward compatible, so at least either of the cards would run.

thanks everybody,
-Chris