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January 10, 2012 8:10:47 PM

Hi people.

Would like to very much finally build my own pc. Am very tired of the cookie cutter crap I've been buying that last ten years off the shelf. I want to build this rig NOW...The aim is to build a platform that will last for a very long time, with room for upgrades as need be.

Use: Some pc gaming (hardcore high end specs not a must). HD movies, Photo shopping, web surfing, burning DVDs movies etc
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Not needed: speakers, keyboard, lcd monitor, mouse, Hard drive (1 TB Barricuda sata drive @ 7200) newly installed in an old system i keep running will be used. Planning on going with Windows 7 - 64bit for an OS.

No qualms about where I buy parts as long as they are legit customer service oriented companies (lots of amazon experience but just trying the pc parts market)

Parts: I hate the size of a full case but bought a slimline desktop before and hated how limited I was in everything. Suggestions are great here as I have read some decent stuff about Mid Towers. AMD CPU is my preference as I read alot saying they are the best bang for the buck. Want ability to consider some Crossover and SLI though I dont see this as anything I will be doing right away. Overclocking not a big priority though I see myself experimenting in both these areas down the road. I want something fast and capable with room to grow if i need.

As of now I have looked at the following and appreciate any comments...

Motherboard:
http://www.amazon.com/CrossFireX-Motherboard-Crosshair-...

not for a starter build?

GPU:
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-6850-Video-100315...

ideas?

CPU:
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Processor, Black Edition

4, 6, 8 cores? I know the more cores are for serious users... heard an unlocked 4 core at 3.5+ ghz would be good...thoughts?

GPU:
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Enthusiast-Certified-Comp...

Not sure just how much would be adequate...need enough for the system and enough for future needs.

Would also like two DVD writer / recorders...and any ideas on the need for a wireless card?

USB 3.0 a must for future gadgets.

Likely 8 GB min RAM with 16MB being a serious option if its not true overkill.

any and all additional suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure I'm missing some stuff so Ill check back. thx.

P.S.
Ultimately the $1000 budget is very negotiable. I can go higher without a problem. I just dont want to get crazy...the idea is to get quality components, with a new system capable of handling most things WELL and not some build off the shelf loaded with crap software or setups I dont need. Upgradeability, ease of maintenance and longevity are my goals.



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January 10, 2012 8:50:53 PM

Upgradable is kind of an urban legend in computers. Sure AMD allows you to upgrade with their motherboards (which are much nicer over Intel's in my opinion) but there really isn't any point. You upgrade your CPU with AMD and its bottlenecked because you have an older motherboard. Better off sticking with the best you can get for the money and forget about upgrading all together.

You would be much better off going with Intel. Even using the Core i3 would have its advantages over an AMD option. I've been using the i3 which is a dual core processor and it takes whatever I throw at it. Its entirely up to you which company you go with. If you were to go with AMD you should grab the six core but I still recommend Intel as the i5 meets or beats the six core despite being a quad core processor.

List some of the games you play and other programs besides photoshop and I'll help you out
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January 10, 2012 9:36:51 PM

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CPU:
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Processor, Black Edition

4, 6, 8 cores? I know the more cores are for serious users... heard an unlocked 4 core at 3.5+ ghz would be good...thou


Honestly I think it's kind of pointless to be on AMD right now. If that's you personal preference that's fine but the Z68 is clearly superior to any AMD system right now.

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Not sure just how much would be adequate...need enough for the system and enough for future needs.


650 will be plenty - maybe go with 750 just to be on the safe side but you definitely want to make sure you get a PSU that is certified 80+ bronze or better. Silver or gold would be way better.

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Would also like two DVD writer / recorders...and any ideas on the need for a wireless card?


DVD writers are like next to nothing anymore - you can get a good, quality LITE-ON for like $20.

And as for the wifi card you can just get a cheapo USB adapter once you get the build completed - that will be fine.

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You would be much better off going with Intel. Even using the Core i3 would have its advantages over an AMD option. I've been using the i3 which is a dual core processor and it takes whatever I throw at it. Its entirely up to you which company you go with. If you were to go with AMD you should grab the six core but I still recommend Intel as the i5 meets or beats the six core despite being a quad core processor.


I agree - I've been really impressed with my i3 build so far. And having a couple of extra cores in a CPU certainly doesn't make much if any of a difference.
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January 10, 2012 10:41:06 PM

You dont need 4 GPU slots if your on a budget.
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January 10, 2012 11:53:18 PM

OutOfDate123 said:
You dont need 4 GPU slots if your on a budget.




and your suggesting what board?
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January 10, 2012 11:54:35 PM

BohleyK said:
Upgradable is kind of an urban legend in computers. Sure AMD allows you to upgrade with their motherboards (which are much nicer over Intel's in my opinion) but there really isn't any point. You upgrade your CPU with AMD and its bottlenecked because you have an older motherboard. Better off sticking with the best you can get for the money and forget about upgrading all together.

You would be much better off going with Intel. Even using the Core i3 would have its advantages over an AMD option. I've been using the i3 which is a dual core processor and it takes whatever I throw at it. Its entirely up to you which company you go with. If you were to go with AMD you should grab the six core but I still recommend Intel as the i5 meets or beats the six core despite being a quad core processor.

List some of the games you play and other programs besides photoshop and I'll help you out




BF3 mostly at this point...
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January 10, 2012 11:55:57 PM
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January 11, 2012 12:12:41 AM

aznshinobi said:
i5 2500K + Corsair LP 8GB DDR3 1600 $255
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Asrock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 $122
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OCZ ZS 750w $100 ($20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Gigabyte 560 Ti $210
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate 500GB + Antec 300 Illusion $123 ($8 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
SanDisk Ultra 120GB $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Windows 7 64-bit $88
http://www.discountmountainsoftware.com/miwi7hoprfuv6.h...
LG DVD Burner $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Total: $1051 before rebates

Assuming you don't have OS of course.



My biggest question is in reference to the motherboard and please excuse my ignorance....I see no GPU....this runs stand alone on integrated graphics at a high output?
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January 11, 2012 12:38:11 AM

trickplay461 said:
My biggest question is in reference to the motherboard and please excuse my ignorance....I see no GPU....this runs stand alone on integrated graphics at a high output?


The GPU is a GTX 560TI - I don't really like the choice of Gigabyte though, I'd be more inclined to go with EVGA even though they're a bit more expensive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And then I can see where the onboard video that the Asrock has which could pose a problem. This might be a better choice:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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SanDisk Ultra 120GB $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820171545


Sandisk? Really? I know HD prices are ridiculous but I don't think they're the most reliable SSD maker out there.
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January 11, 2012 12:44:48 AM

@g-unit
There is no onboard video that the Asrock has... If you say that the Extreme3's onboard could post a problem, then all Z68's would have that issue... The Asrock just supports the iGPU the SB chips have...

As for the GPU, it's the 560 Ti, It's listed there. pretty clearly below the PSU. You can go with the EVGA if you want, the Gigabyte has a better cooler than the EVGA and is cheaper, though it's your opinion.

Sandisk review:
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4403/sandisk_ultra_120...
Verdict: Reliable

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January 11, 2012 12:46:20 AM

for ssd use crucial and do not make the mistake in your life with $1000 budget to choose amd get the i5-2500k
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January 11, 2012 12:48:43 AM

^ Yeah too bad that the M4 $50 more, how is the Sandisk not good enough? For the price it offers great performance and price/gig is great. Plus it's not that bad, it's pretty reliable.
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January 11, 2012 12:51:26 AM

aznshinobi said:
@g-unit
There is no onboard video that the Asrock has... If you say that the Extreme3's onboard could post a problem, then all Z68's would have that issue... The Asrock just supports the iGPU the SB chips have...

As for the GPU, it's the 560 Ti, It's listed there. pretty clearly below the PSU. You can go with the EVGA if you want, the Gigabyte has a better cooler than the EVGA and is cheaper, though it's your opinion.

Sandisk review:
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4403/sandisk_ultra_120...
Verdict: Reliable


I'd definitely take that drive over the Agility 3.

But as for the Asrock board it does have onboard DVI, VGA and HDMI ports per the specs on Newegg. And yes mine has onboard video and it has the same problem, any time I load the defaults I have to tell it to disable the onboard video if there's a GPU present, otherwise Windows won't load the GPU drivers.

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January 11, 2012 12:57:10 AM

^ Many people have that issue with ALL Z68/H67/H61 boards, most of the Z68/H67/H61 boards have VGA, DVI and HDMI ports for those people who will just use the on the die graphics in the SB chips, it's not like they're going to make you install a PCI card that has HDMI just to use the SB chips iGPU.

You're also using an AMD board per your specs in your sig, or are you using an Intel rig?
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January 11, 2012 2:54:39 AM

aznshinobi said:
^ Many people have that issue with ALL Z68/H67/H61 boards, most of the Z68/H67/H61 boards have VGA, DVI and HDMI ports for those people who will just use the on the die graphics in the SB chips, it's not like they're going to make you install a PCI card that has HDMI just to use the SB chips iGPU.

You're also using an AMD board per your specs in your sig, or are you using an Intel rig?


I have two computers - the one in my sig is my main gaming system/home computer, the Z68 system I'm talking about is my computer that I use as a workstation.

The specs on my workstation (it was an upgrade from a 2007 Core 2 Duo machine) are:

- Cooler Master HAF 912
- Corsair TX750
- Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3P
- 16GB Corsair XMS 3 RAM at 1600MHz
- Intel Core i3-2120
- Crucial M4 64GB SSD
- Samsung Spinpoint 1TB
- EVGA Geforce GTX 470 1.2GB
- LG BD-R Burner
- AFT Flash Technology Flash Card Reader
- Windows 7 Pro
- Acer 24" VH243H Widescreen HD Monitor
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January 11, 2012 2:59:33 AM



This will more than handle anything you throw at it for quite some time.
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January 11, 2012 7:41:00 PM

BohleyK said:
This will more than handle anything you throw at it for quite some time.




Thx for all the replies peeps. Im leaning toward the I-7 CPU....question...better gpu card between these two?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

besides the obvious price difference?


Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

this is the motherboard I'm considering going with instead with the I7
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January 11, 2012 7:43:32 PM

I also forgot...why the scan disk SSD?
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January 11, 2012 7:44:40 PM

... Those cards are not even in the same catagory. The 560 Ti is in the upper mid range while the 6850 is considered lower mid range now.

Why are you leaning towards the i7? It's about $60 more for practically the same performance, Also the Asrock EXtreme3 Gen3 Z68 is more than enough for you. Even professional use of Photoshop the i5 2500K is more than enough, you wouldn't even notice the Hyper threading difference if you were using the 2600K.
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January 11, 2012 7:45:30 PM

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Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

this is the motherboard I'm considering going with instead with the I7


You don't need the i7 - stick with getting the i5. And put the money in getting a better GPU, maybe something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The motherboard is pretty similiar to the one I have (I have the UD3P model) and it's been really excellent. Both of the cards you have are good choices, the 560 is a bit better quality, but I'd go with a better brand like EVGA over one of the big motherboard manufacturers.
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January 11, 2012 8:12:04 PM

Like so many others have said; go for an i5 intel. I've always been a fan of nvidia products, they've not let me down while I had a magnitude of problems with ATI/AMD.
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January 13, 2012 5:58:09 PM

Thanks again all for the replies. I have done some more digging and have decided to go ahead and make the final tweaks to my purchase plan...

CPU intel I5 2500K -
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BOX80623I52500K-Core-i5-250... $220


Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-Z68XP-UD3-1155-Intel-... - $ 155

PSU
Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 Series 750-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified High Performance Modular Power Supply CP-9020003-NA
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005E98FVS?tag=sus003-20 - $125

RAM

Kingston Technology HyperX 16 GB Kit (4x4 GB Modules) 16 Quad Channel Kit 1600 (PC3 12800) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM KHX1600C9D3K4/16GX -
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-Modules-KHX16... $84

Cooling Needs
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10... $27

GPU
Radeon XFX HD 6970 2 GB Graphics Card
http://www.amazon.com/Radeon-XFX-6970-Graphics-Card/dp/... $350


Any ideas on the compatibility of these parts? Better GPU for the money? Still need a case and a few other minor items but the price is still in the ball park ...im looking at this rig to last me quite a bit of time...thx again for any iput.
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January 13, 2012 10:11:59 PM

For the PSU this will save you money but still give you the same performance, in fact save you $25 before rebates and $25 more after.
http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-80PLUS-Bronze-Performance-com...

The Memory you don't need 16GB at all. Even if you did, that's pretty expensive 16GB ram, Quad channel isn't supported by Z68.
Save $14 with 2 of these kits
http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Signature-PC3-12800-Heats...
Or $10 with 2 of this kit
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-1600MHz-KHX16...

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January 13, 2012 11:56:27 PM

aznshinobi said:
For the PSU this will save you money but still give you the same performance, in fact save you $25 before rebates and $25 more after.
http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-80PLUS-Bronze-Performance-com...

The Memory you don't need 16GB at all. Even if you did, that's pretty expensive 16GB ram, Quad channel isn't supported by Z68.
Save $14 with 2 of these kits
http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Signature-PC3-12800-Heats...
Or $10 with 2 of this kit
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-1600MHz-KHX16...



I have no idea how I pasted the wrong link in there...its very obvious the "the quad channel" mem will not do...thx! I appreciate the savings in the PSU but I want to go with a modular unit. I saw no comment on the GPU...good there? is there something better in that price range? With a mid tower and a few accessories I will prob go over the 1K price by a bit but thats fine...I will def look into grabbing that ram ya sent links for...I thought more ram was better and I figured 16gb was overkill but nice to have if I ever do need it.
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January 14, 2012 12:05:18 AM

If you want to go modular then this is only $102 after promo if you can use newegg It's an 850w too
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR here's a different option still cheaper but off amazon
http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Fully-Modular-80PLUS-Performa...
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January 24, 2012 12:29:16 AM

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