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Anonymous
July 1, 2005 6:04:11 AM

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I do realize TDMA is dying. Anyone know if any of this merging of the blue
and orange networks applies to TDMA? Any blue TDMA customers out there with
any merge experience? I'd love to hear about it ...

Thanks,

Henry

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July 1, 2005 9:55:41 AM

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Hybyd2 wrote:
> I do realize TDMA is dying. Anyone know if any of this merging of the blue
> and orange networks applies to TDMA? Any blue TDMA customers out there with
> any merge experience? I'd love to hear about it ...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Henry
>
>


When Orange acquired Blue, it included everything blue - no exceptions.

--
jer
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July 1, 2005 10:51:18 AM

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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:04:11 GMT, "Hybyd2"
<hybyd2REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:

>I do realize TDMA is dying. Anyone know if any of this merging of the blue
>and orange networks applies to TDMA? Any blue TDMA customers out there with
>any merge experience? I'd love to hear about it ...

All AT&T Wireless whether GSM or "TDMA" now are cingular and even have
the cingular operator identification on handsets.

- -
Anonymous
July 1, 2005 2:24:31 PM

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Up until last week when I dumped Cingular for Verizon, my phone still showed
AT&T Wireless on the gsm side, and AT&T on the TDMA.

-Ken
"Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:04:11 GMT, "Hybyd2"
> <hybyd2REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >I do realize TDMA is dying. Anyone know if any of this merging of the
blue
> >and orange networks applies to TDMA? Any blue TDMA customers out there
with
> >any merge experience? I'd love to hear about it ...
>
> All AT&T Wireless whether GSM or "TDMA" now are cingular and even have
> the cingular operator identification on handsets.
>
> - -
>
July 1, 2005 3:22:07 PM

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"Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
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> Hybyd2 wrote:
>> I do realize TDMA is dying. Anyone know if any of this merging of the
>> blue and orange networks applies to TDMA? Any blue TDMA customers out
>> there with any merge experience? I'd love to hear about it ...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Henry
>
>
> When Orange acquired Blue, it included everything blue - no exceptions.
>
> --
> jer
> email reply - I am not a 'ten'

Yes, I do realize that. But on a practical / technical basis I wonder if
they've been doing anything other than migrating blue TDMA users to orange
GSM (in some places divestiture required them to turn over to a different
company). From a prepaid reselller who ought to know: "To the best of my
knowledge there are no plans to merge the two networks. In fact I have been
told that "[merging the two networks] is not going to happen.". Note the
above is strictly TDMA which the reseller sells. Hence my orginal question.
If anyone of knows of specifics of orange and blue TDMA merging (naturally,
which are not company confidential), I'd love to hear about them.

Thanks,

Henry
July 1, 2005 3:22:08 PM

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Russell wrote:
> "Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
> news:11ca89ac0susjb7@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Hybyd2 wrote:
>>
>>>I do realize TDMA is dying. Anyone know if any of this merging of the
>>>blue and orange networks applies to TDMA? Any blue TDMA customers out
>>>there with any merge experience? I'd love to hear about it ...
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Henry
>>
>>
>>When Orange acquired Blue, it included everything blue - no exceptions.
>>
>>--
>>jer
>>email reply - I am not a 'ten'
>
>
> Yes, I do realize that. But on a practical / technical basis I wonder if
> they've been doing anything other than migrating blue TDMA users to orange
> GSM (in some places divestiture required them to turn over to a different
> company). From a prepaid reselller who ought to know: "To the best of my
> knowledge there are no plans to merge the two networks. In fact I have been
> told that "[merging the two networks] is not going to happen.". Note the
> above is strictly TDMA which the reseller sells. Hence my orginal question.
> If anyone of knows of specifics of orange and blue TDMA merging (naturally,
> which are not company confidential), I'd love to hear about them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Henry
>
>

Well, my Cingular buds tell me TDMA is being merged along with GSM -
they call it a re-homing process - which implies TDMA and GSM cell sites
are being swung to an orange switch. Yes, TDMA is shrinking as GSM
grows, but that doesn't mean TDMA is being left behind. Blue customers
have been merged into orange subscriber databases for quite a while now
- prepaid included.

--
jer
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July 1, 2005 3:22:08 PM

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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:22:07 GMT, "Russell"
<russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:

> From a prepaid reselller who ought to know: "To the best of my
>knowledge there are no plans to merge the two networks. In fact I have been
>told that "[merging the two networks] is not going to happen.". Note the
>above is strictly TDMA which the reseller sells.

TDMA networks have been merged as well. For all practical purposes
AT&T Wireless no longer exists in any way.
- -
Anonymous
July 1, 2005 3:52:25 PM

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Why bother merging what you are shutting down? Although many times
corporations have done things I do not understand.

Russell wrote:
> "Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
> news:11ca89ac0susjb7@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Hybyd2 wrote:
>>
>>>I do realize TDMA is dying. Anyone know if any of this merging of the
>>>blue and orange networks applies to TDMA? Any blue TDMA customers out
>>>there with any merge experience? I'd love to hear about it ...
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Henry
>>
>>
>>When Orange acquired Blue, it included everything blue - no exceptions.
>>
>>--
>>jer
>>email reply - I am not a 'ten'
>
>
> Yes, I do realize that. But on a practical / technical basis I wonder if
> they've been doing anything other than migrating blue TDMA users to orange
> GSM (in some places divestiture required them to turn over to a different
> company). From a prepaid reselller who ought to know: "To the best of my
> knowledge there are no plans to merge the two networks. In fact I have been
> told that "[merging the two networks] is not going to happen.". Note the
> above is strictly TDMA which the reseller sells. Hence my orginal question.
> If anyone of knows of specifics of orange and blue TDMA merging (naturally,
> which are not company confidential), I'd love to hear about them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Henry
>
>
July 1, 2005 8:18:04 PM

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"Ken V" <kenvtNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:V-

> Up until last week when I dumped Cingular for Verizon, my phone still
> showed
> AT&T Wireless on the gsm side, and AT&T on the TDMA.
>

I'm ready to switch out of Cingular, when my old ATTWS contract expires in
three weeks.

How do you like Verizon? What did they charge to set up an account?
Anonymous
July 1, 2005 8:18:05 PM

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My wife gets a 6% discount through her work with verizon so that helped. The
signal coverage is great and you can't beat the 2 Samsung a670 camera flip
phones for $49 total after rebate. I also saved by combining two separate
Cingular accounts into one family share Americas choice plan. I had to pay a
$20 per line activation on a 2 year plan.

I would have renewed with Cingular, but the arrogance I was hit with in the
Cingular Store was unbelievable....the first thing the guy tells me is "Oh
your an AT&T customer....I say funny, my bill has been saying Cingular for
months....it went down hill from that point..and I left the store.

I'm finding that tons of my friends also have Verizon, so calls between
Verizon users are FREE anytime which is great.

-Ken



"Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ken V" <kenvtNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:V-
>
> > Up until last week when I dumped Cingular for Verizon, my phone still
> > showed
> > AT&T Wireless on the gsm side, and AT&T on the TDMA.
> >
>
> I'm ready to switch out of Cingular, when my old ATTWS contract expires in
> three weeks.
>
> How do you like Verizon? What did they charge to set up an account?
>
>
July 2, 2005 1:53:53 AM

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"Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:22:07 GMT, "Russell"
> <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> From a prepaid reselller who ought to know: "To the best of my
>>knowledge there are no plans to merge the two networks. In fact I have
>>been
>>told that "[merging the two networks] is not going to happen.". Note the
>>above is strictly TDMA which the reseller sells.
>
> TDMA networks have been merged as well. For all practical purposes
> AT&T Wireless no longer exists in any way.
> - -

Could you explain the basis for this statement, Joseph? My evidence based
on the TDMA phones I own is to the contrary.

Anyone know if Florida has been merged? I don't live there but own prepaid
phones in that area code - hence my interest.

Russell
July 2, 2005 1:53:54 AM

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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:53:53 GMT, "Russell"
<russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4kiac19brd824hk2lb1lan96pkpsf1a312@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:22:07 GMT, "Russell"
>> <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From a prepaid reselller who ought to know: "To the best of my
>>>knowledge there are no plans to merge the two networks. In fact I have
>>>been
>>>told that "[merging the two networks] is not going to happen.". Note the
>>>above is strictly TDMA which the reseller sells.
>>
>> TDMA networks have been merged as well. For all practical purposes
>> AT&T Wireless no longer exists in any way.
>> - -
>
>Could you explain the basis for this statement, Joseph? My evidence based
>on the TDMA phones I own is to the contrary.
>
>Anyone know if Florida has been merged? I don't live there but own prepaid
>phones in that area code - hence my interest.

I'm only going by my "AT&T Wireless" IS-136 handsets both of which
changed over a month ago from AT&T to CINGULAR (all upper case.) I
assume that if it hasn't happened eventually it will that all areas
will have Cingular or CINGULAR on handsets.
- -
July 2, 2005 3:35:28 PM

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"Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:53:53 GMT, "Russell"
> <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:4kiac19brd824hk2lb1lan96pkpsf1a312@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:22:07 GMT, "Russell"
>>> <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From a prepaid reselller who ought to know: "To the best of my
>>>>knowledge there are no plans to merge the two networks. In fact I have
>>>>been
>>>>told that "[merging the two networks] is not going to happen.". Note
>>>>the
>>>>above is strictly TDMA which the reseller sells.
>>>
>>> TDMA networks have been merged as well. For all practical purposes
>>> AT&T Wireless no longer exists in any way.
>>> - -
>>
>>Could you explain the basis for this statement, Joseph? My evidence based
>>on the TDMA phones I own is to the contrary.
>>
>>Anyone know if Florida has been merged? I don't live there but own
>>prepaid
>>phones in that area code - hence my interest.
>
> I'm only going by my "AT&T Wireless" IS-136 handsets both of which
> changed over a month ago from AT&T to CINGULAR (all upper case.) I
> assume that if it hasn't happened eventually it will that all areas
> will have Cingular or CINGULAR on handsets.
> - -

Joseph, of I go by your email address, you're in Seattle. Can I ask whether
you're a TDMA prepaid customer or a direct former AT&T blue TDMA customer?
One thing I'm not sure is whether the phone now saying CINGULAR instead of
AT&T is an indication that the merge is complete. While saying AT&T is a
sure indication that no merge has occurred I don't believe more needs to be
done at the infrastructure level than getting the towers to emit CINGULAR.

Interestingly, my prepaid reseller now appears to be getting information
about the merge - they've yet to divulge anything but they say they hope to
do so soon.

Russell
July 2, 2005 3:35:29 PM

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On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:35:28 GMT, "Russell"
>Joseph, of I go by your email address, you're in Seattle. Can I ask whether
>you're a TDMA prepaid customer or a direct former AT&T blue TDMA customer?
>One thing I'm not sure is whether the phone now saying CINGULAR instead of
>AT&T is an indication that the merge is complete. While saying AT&T is a
>sure indication that no merge has occurred I don't believe more needs to be
>done at the infrastructure level than getting the towers to emit CINGULAR.
>
>Interestingly, my prepaid reseller now appears to be getting information
>about the merge - they've yet to divulge anything but they say they hope to
>do so soon.
>
>Russell
>

Speaking of Seattle. We just came back from a 4,000 mile trip, which
included taking Stevens Pass from the Seattle area to Wenachee. Up on
the pass my wife's phone, which started life on the AT&T network had
full signal. My V551 which started on Cingular had no signal at all.
That seemed rather strange.

Dick
July 2, 2005 3:35:29 PM

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On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:35:28 GMT, "Russell"
<russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:

>Joseph, of I go by your email address, you're in Seattle. Can I ask whether
>you're a TDMA prepaid customer or a direct former AT&T blue TDMA customer?

I'm prepaid "AT&T Wireless" TDMA through the reseller Beyond Wireless.
My phone has an Arlington, Texas area code/phone number but I don't
think that makes any difference as far as what the network indicates.

>One thing I'm not sure is whether the phone now saying CINGULAR instead of
>AT&T is an indication that the merge is complete. While saying AT&T is a
>sure indication that no merge has occurred I don't believe more needs to be
>done at the infrastructure level than getting the towers to emit CINGULAR.
>
>Interestingly, my prepaid reseller now appears to be getting information
>about the merge - they've yet to divulge anything but they say they hope to
>do so soon.

Well, Beyond Wireless never said anything so I wouldn't know.
- -
July 2, 2005 4:22:10 PM

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Russell wrote:
> "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:lfkbc1lm0j0kr8ptjrp7gjb4du3feseumd@4ax.com...
>
>>On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:53:53 GMT, "Russell"
>><russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4kiac19brd824hk2lb1lan96pkpsf1a312@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:22:07 GMT, "Russell"
>>>><russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From a prepaid reselller who ought to know: "To the best of my
>>>>>knowledge there are no plans to merge the two networks. In fact I have
>>>>>been
>>>>>told that "[merging the two networks] is not going to happen.". Note
>>>>>the
>>>>>above is strictly TDMA which the reseller sells.
>>>>
>>>>TDMA networks have been merged as well. For all practical purposes
>>>>AT&T Wireless no longer exists in any way.
>>>>- -
>>>
>>>Could you explain the basis for this statement, Joseph? My evidence based
>>>on the TDMA phones I own is to the contrary.
>>>
>>>Anyone know if Florida has been merged? I don't live there but own
>>>prepaid
>>>phones in that area code - hence my interest.
>>
>>I'm only going by my "AT&T Wireless" IS-136 handsets both of which
>>changed over a month ago from AT&T to CINGULAR (all upper case.) I
>>assume that if it hasn't happened eventually it will that all areas
>>will have Cingular or CINGULAR on handsets.
>>- -
>
>
> Joseph, of I go by your email address, you're in Seattle. Can I ask whether
> you're a TDMA prepaid customer or a direct former AT&T blue TDMA customer?
> One thing I'm not sure is whether the phone now saying CINGULAR instead of
> AT&T is an indication that the merge is complete. While saying AT&T is a
> sure indication that no merge has occurred I don't believe more needs to be
> done at the infrastructure level than getting the towers to emit CINGULAR.
>
> Interestingly, my prepaid reseller now appears to be getting information
> about the merge - they've yet to divulge anything but they say they hope to
> do so soon.
>
> Russell
>
>


As to whether a phone displays Cingular or ATTWS is simply a matter of
what the alpha tag for a given cell is programmed to provide. The alpha
tag has nothing to do with it's official merge status, and is provided
to all subscribers on the cell regardless of their service level. Both
companies (and now the one) have cells in strategic locations that have
alpha tags displaying the name of the business for which the cell is
provided - typically a microcell inside a bank or other large business
structure. It wouldn't be unusual for the alpha tag of two adjacent
cells to display two separate alpha tags, and the phone display will
switch from one to the other if a hand-off occurs.

--
jer
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Anonymous
July 2, 2005 5:01:56 PM

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"Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ken V" <kenvtNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:V-
>
> > Up until last week when I dumped Cingular for Verizon, my phone still
> > showed
> > AT&T Wireless on the gsm side, and AT&T on the TDMA.
> >
>
> I'm ready to switch out of Cingular, when my old ATTWS contract expires in
> three weeks.
>
> How do you like Verizon? What did they charge to set up an account?
>
>

Check with others in your area to see how Verizon coverage is in your area.
Verizon charges a $20 per line activation fee so you can figure on that.
The Samsung phone deal is pretty sweet but I don't know how much longer it
will be in effect. If it expires they will probably replace it with
something equally as good.

One factor in your decision may be the number of people that you know, who
presently have Verizon Wireless. Like everyone else, they are offering free
calling to in network customers and if all your friends and family have VZW,
that can be a considerable savings. I subscribe to the minimum family plan
for our area, I think the most account minutes I have used in a month is
about 40. I have used well over 200 weekend or IN calling minutes, everyone
in my family is a VZW customer.
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"Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:35:28 GMT, "Russell"
>>Joseph, of I go by your email address, you're in Seattle. Can I ask
>>whether
>>you're a TDMA prepaid customer or a direct former AT&T blue TDMA customer?
>>One thing I'm not sure is whether the phone now saying CINGULAR instead of
>>AT&T is an indication that the merge is complete. While saying AT&T is a
>>sure indication that no merge has occurred I don't believe more needs to
>>be
>>done at the infrastructure level than getting the towers to emit CINGULAR.
>>
>>Interestingly, my prepaid reseller now appears to be getting information
>>about the merge - they've yet to divulge anything but they say they hope
>>to
>>do so soon.
>>
>>Russell
>>
>
> Speaking of Seattle. We just came back from a 4,000 mile trip, which
> included taking Stevens Pass from the Seattle area to Wenachee. Up on
> the pass my wife's phone, which started life on the AT&T network had
> full signal. My V551 which started on Cingular had no signal at all.
> That seemed rather strange.
>
> Dick

The V551 is GSM (I believe). Does your wife also have a V551 or some other
GSM phone which would be logical if you're on the same family plan?

Russell
July 2, 2005 9:28:59 PM

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"Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:35:28 GMT, "Russell"
> <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Joseph, of I go by your email address, you're in Seattle. Can I ask
>>whether
>>you're a TDMA prepaid customer or a direct former AT&T blue TDMA customer?
>
> I'm prepaid "AT&T Wireless" TDMA through the reseller Beyond Wireless.
> My phone has an Arlington, Texas area code/phone number but I don't
> think that makes any difference as far as what the network indicates.
>

Thanks for the information, Joe. I'm in a slightly different situation with
the same reseller as you - but as I mention in the paragraph below
displaying CINGULAR does not necessarily mean you're operating on the merged
network.

>>One thing I'm not sure is whether the phone now saying CINGULAR instead of
>>AT&T is an indication that the merge is complete. While saying AT&T is a
>>sure indication that no merge has occurred I don't believe more needs to
>>be
>>done at the infrastructure level than getting the towers to emit CINGULAR.
>>

Russell
Anonymous
July 2, 2005 9:39:31 PM

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It is alleged that Ken V claimed:

; I would have renewed with Cingular, but the arrogance I was hit with in the
; Cingular Store was unbelievable....the first thing the guy tells me is "Oh
; your an AT&T customer....I say funny, my bill has been saying Cingular for
; months....it went down hill from that point..and I left the store.

Just wait until you have to deal with Verizon Wireless customer
service.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

"It's good to have things back to normal." (Lt. Cmdr. Ivanova, B5
"Eyes")
Anonymous
July 3, 2005 3:57:08 AM

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> Check with others in your area to see how Verizon coverage is in your area.
> Verizon charges a $20 per line activation fee so you can figure on that.
> The Samsung phone deal is pretty sweet but I don't know how much longer it
> will be in effect. If it expires they will probably replace it with
> something equally as good.

>
> One factor in your decision may be the number of people that you know, who
> presently have Verizon Wireless. Like everyone else, they are offering free
> calling to in network customers and if all your friends and family have VZW,
> that can be a considerable savings. I subscribe to the minimum family plan
> for our area, I think the most account minutes I have used in a month is
> about 40. I have used well over 200 weekend or IN calling minutes, everyone
> in my family is a VZW customer.

Wow...my plan runs between 3000 and 7000 minutes per month with two phones, with
on the phones used mainly in Canada. It's a strike contrast.

TH
Anonymous
July 3, 2005 4:07:30 AM

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Dick wrote:

> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:35:28 GMT, "Russell"
> >Joseph, of I go by your email address, you're in Seattle. Can I ask whether
> >you're a TDMA prepaid customer or a direct former AT&T blue TDMA customer?
> >One thing I'm not sure is whether the phone now saying CINGULAR instead of
> >AT&T is an indication that the merge is complete. While saying AT&T is a
> >sure indication that no merge has occurred I don't believe more needs to be
> >done at the infrastructure level than getting the towers to emit CINGULAR.
> >
> >Interestingly, my prepaid reseller now appears to be getting information
> >about the merge - they've yet to divulge anything but they say they hope to
> >do so soon.
> >
> >Russell
> >
>
> Speaking of Seattle. We just came back from a 4,000 mile trip, which
> included taking Stevens Pass from the Seattle area to Wenachee. Up on
> the pass my wife's phone, which started life on the AT&T network had
> full signal. My V551 which started on Cingular had no signal at all.
> That seemed rather strange.
>
> Dick

What kind of phone does your wife have?

TH
July 3, 2005 4:07:31 AM

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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 00:07:30 -0400, Tropical Haven <email@example.net>
wrote:
>
>Dick wrote:

>> Speaking of Seattle. We just came back from a 4,000 mile trip, which
>> included taking Stevens Pass from the Seattle area to Wenachee. Up on
>> the pass my wife's phone, which started life on the AT&T network had
>> full signal. My V551 which started on Cingular had no signal at all.
>> That seemed rather strange.
>>
>> Dick
>
>What kind of phone does your wife have?
>
>TH

It's a Nokia 6010. Both are GSM of course. When we travel, signal
strengths on the two phones are usually pretty equal. This one time
it was completely different. Don't know what carriers were showing on
the phones at the time. Normally, they both show Cingular.

Dick
July 3, 2005 3:06:32 PM

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On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 23:57:08 -0400, Tropical Haven <email@example.net>
wrote:

>Wow...my plan runs between 3000 and 7000 minutes per month with two phones, with
>on the phones used mainly in Canada. It's a strike contrast.

Who are you striking?

- -
Anonymous
July 3, 2005 5:00:33 PM

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"Hybyd2" <hybyd2REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
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>I do realize TDMA is dying. Anyone know if any of this merging of the blue
>and orange networks applies to TDMA? Any blue TDMA customers out there
>with any merge experience? I'd love to hear about it ...


Cingular bought ALL of AT&T Wireless, AMPS, TDMA, and GSM.

I have not had a problem to speak of. I had an AT&T GSM plan and a DOR plan.
I did change them both to Cingulars GSM for the rollover minutes. But not
because of service problems.
Anonymous
July 3, 2005 5:04:55 PM

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"Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Hence my orginal question. If anyone of knows of specifics of orange and
> blue TDMA merging (naturally, which are not company confidential), I'd
> love to hear about them.

I know that they merged all of the systems, AMPS, TDMA and GSM.

In some areas where Cingular aquired the "other" frequency spectrum, they
installed new dual band antennas on towers to consolidate sites into one
"ground structure" where they had two sites on the same tower or close by
towers.

For instance in Southern LA, Cingular had the cellular frequencies and
aquired the PCS frequencies in the deal. In Northern LA it was reversed.

Cingular also has been changing out buildings at sites to get more floor
space for the migration of the two systems to a common ground struture.
Anonymous
July 3, 2005 6:48:29 PM

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cingular would definitely want to launch gsm on all of it's licensed
spectrum. But that does not mean that they want to or would launch tdma
on all of it's spectrum. It definitely does not mean that they have
launched analog on PCS. Only digital is allowed on PCS.


John S. wrote:
> "Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:zH9xe.14422$pa3.1057@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>
>>Hence my orginal question. If anyone of knows of specifics of orange and
>>blue TDMA merging (naturally, which are not company confidential), I'd
>>love to hear about them.
>
>
> I know that they merged all of the systems, AMPS, TDMA and GSM.
>
> In some areas where Cingular aquired the "other" frequency spectrum, they
> installed new dual band antennas on towers to consolidate sites into one
> "ground structure" where they had two sites on the same tower or close by
> towers.
>
> For instance in Southern LA, Cingular had the cellular frequencies and
> aquired the PCS frequencies in the deal. In Northern LA it was reversed.
>
> Cingular also has been changing out buildings at sites to get more floor
> space for the migration of the two systems to a common ground struture.
>
>
Anonymous
July 4, 2005 5:35:02 AM

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Well, technically, I don't see why a carrier couldn't use AMPS on 1900 mHz if it
was willing to invest enough money into the development. But from an economical
standpoint, it wouldn't make any sense. It would be like Compaq coming out with
a new home PC, running on vacuum tubes. Possible, but not plausible.

TH

> cingular would definitely want to launch gsm on all of it's licensed
> spectrum. But that does not mean that they want to or would launch tdma
> on all of it's spectrum. It definitely does not mean that they have
> launched analog on PCS. Only digital is allowed on PCS.
>
> John S. wrote:
> > "Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:zH9xe.14422$pa3.1057@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> >
> >>Hence my orginal question. If anyone of knows of specifics of orange and
> >>blue TDMA merging (naturally, which are not company confidential), I'd
> >>love to hear about them.
> >
> >
> > I know that they merged all of the systems, AMPS, TDMA and GSM.
> >
> > In some areas where Cingular aquired the "other" frequency spectrum, they
> > installed new dual band antennas on towers to consolidate sites into one
> > "ground structure" where they had two sites on the same tower or close by
> > towers.
> >
> > For instance in Southern LA, Cingular had the cellular frequencies and
> > aquired the PCS frequencies in the deal. In Northern LA it was reversed.
> >
> > Cingular also has been changing out buildings at sites to get more floor
> > space for the migration of the two systems to a common ground struture.
> >
> >
July 4, 2005 12:05:10 PM

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Tropical Haven wrote:
> Well, technically, I don't see why a carrier couldn't use AMPS on 1900 mHz if it
> was willing to invest enough money into the development. But from an economical
> standpoint, it wouldn't make any sense. It would be like Compaq coming out with
> a new home PC, running on vacuum tubes. Possible, but not plausible.
>
> TH


While it may be technically possible for AMPS to exist on 1900, the FCC
may have issues with it. A carrier's license includes how the frequency
is to be used, ie, type of signal, modulation, xmitter power, gain and
elevation of antenna, propagation pattern, time of day, etc. I'm not an
RF engineer, nor do I play one on the internet, but if a carrier's
intended use as explained in their application creates a risk of
interference to others, the application could be denied. Maybe there's
something about the 1900 band that precludes it's use for AMPS service.


--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Anonymous
July 4, 2005 6:00:34 PM

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It could not use analog on PCS, because the FCC will not allow it.


Tropical Haven wrote:
> Well, technically, I don't see why a carrier couldn't use AMPS on 1900 mHz if it
> was willing to invest enough money into the development. But from an economical
> standpoint, it wouldn't make any sense. It would be like Compaq coming out with
> a new home PC, running on vacuum tubes. Possible, but not plausible.
>
> TH
>
>
>> cingular would definitely want to launch gsm on all of it's licensed
>>spectrum. But that does not mean that they want to or would launch tdma
>>on all of it's spectrum. It definitely does not mean that they have
>>launched analog on PCS. Only digital is allowed on PCS.
>>
>>John S. wrote:
>>
>>>"Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:zH9xe.14422$pa3.1057@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hence my orginal question. If anyone of knows of specifics of orange and
>>>>blue TDMA merging (naturally, which are not company confidential), I'd
>>>>love to hear about them.
>>>
>>>
>>>I know that they merged all of the systems, AMPS, TDMA and GSM.
>>>
>>>In some areas where Cingular aquired the "other" frequency spectrum, they
>>>installed new dual band antennas on towers to consolidate sites into one
>>>"ground structure" where they had two sites on the same tower or close by
>>>towers.
>>>
>>>For instance in Southern LA, Cingular had the cellular frequencies and
>>>aquired the PCS frequencies in the deal. In Northern LA it was reversed.
>>>
>>>Cingular also has been changing out buildings at sites to get more floor
>>>space for the migration of the two systems to a common ground struture.
>>>
>>>
>
>
Anonymous
July 4, 2005 7:19:54 PM

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"Jerome Zelinske" <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> cingular would definitely want to launch gsm on all of it's licensed
> spectrum. But that does not mean that they want to or would launch tdma
> on all of it's spectrum. It definitely does not mean that they have
> launched analog on PCS. Only digital is allowed on PCS.

Your understanding of what I wrote is definatly lacking. Your understanding
of PCS is also lacking. NOTHING in the license process defines what
technology can be used on the PCS band. They could have used AMPS if the
individual carrier wanted to. They just CHOSE to use CDMA/TDMA/GSM.

What I said is that all of the AT&T system has been merged into the Cingular
system and it is now one.
Anonymous
July 4, 2005 7:21:52 PM

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"Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
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> While it may be technically possible for AMPS to exist on 1900, the FCC
> may have issues with it. A carrier's license includes how the frequency
> is to be used, ie, type of signal, modulation, xmitter power, gain and
> elevation of antenna, propagation pattern, time of day, etc.

Actually, the FCC sold the spectrum and there are no technology limitations
imposed das you describe. The carriers can use the technology any way they
want.
Anonymous
July 4, 2005 7:22:39 PM

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"Jerome Zelinske" <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> It could not use analog on PCS, because the FCC will not allow it.

You will eventually read my other postings and realize that you are
incorrect.
July 4, 2005 7:51:23 PM

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"John S." <john@mocha-n-micro-chips.com> wrote in message
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>
> What I said is that all of the AT&T system has been merged into the
> Cingular system and it is now one.

I'd be most interested in knowing the basis for this last statement. This
is in no way to imply that it's incorrect, just asking how you "know" it.

Russell
Anonymous
July 5, 2005 3:31:48 AM

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"Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "John S." <john@mocha-n-micro-chips.com> wrote in message
> news:uscye.17272$eM6.14992@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> What I said is that all of the AT&T system has been merged into the
>> Cingular system and it is now one.
>
> I'd be most interested in knowing the basis for this last statement. This
> is in no way to imply that it's incorrect, just asking how you "know" it.

I am a telecommunications consultant and am heavily involved in the merger,
technically at the switch/BTS level.
Anonymous
July 5, 2005 6:37:13 AM

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I have read your other postings and believe you are incorrect.


John S. wrote:
> "Jerome Zelinske" <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:6ibye.3565$aY6.1468@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>
>>It could not use analog on PCS, because the FCC will not allow it.
>
>
> You will eventually read my other postings and realize that you are
> incorrect.
>
>
July 5, 2005 3:07:39 PM

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"John S." <john@mocha-n-micro-chips.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%Vcye.17302$eM6.9232@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "John S." <john@mocha-n-micro-chips.com> wrote in message
>> news:uscye.17272$eM6.14992@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> What I said is that all of the AT&T system has been merged into the
>>> Cingular system and it is now one.
>>
>> I'd be most interested in knowing the basis for this last statement.
>> This is in no way to imply that it's incorrect, just asking how you
>> "know" it.
>
> I am a telecommunications consultant and am heavily involved in the
> merger, technically at the switch/BTS level.

John,

My direct interest in this is being a prepaid TDMA customer of one of the
resellers on what was the AT&T blue network. Are you saying that blue TDMA
and orange TDMA are merged in all markets? If yes, does this mean that
prepaid customers have also access to what was the orange TDMA towers? Feel
free to send me email - the "spam proofing" in my return address is fairly
obvious.

Russell
Anonymous
July 5, 2005 11:28:53 PM

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I am sorry about the attitude at the corp store. I work for an
authorized agent and would be fired if I acted like that. Cingular is
migrating all ATT customers into cingular accounts even as we become
one company. It is cheaper to run one computer system as well as all
the different departments. Cingular corporate stores have strict
rules of customer service but our small agents seem to care more about
cutomers when secret shopped. Once again I am sorry.

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:29:01 -0400, "Ken V" <kenvtNOSPAM@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>My wife gets a 6% discount through her work with verizon so that helped. The
>signal coverage is great and you can't beat the 2 Samsung a670 camera flip
>phones for $49 total after rebate. I also saved by combining two separate
>Cingular accounts into one family share Americas choice plan. I had to pay a
>$20 per line activation on a 2 year plan.
>
>I would have renewed with Cingular, but the arrogance I was hit with in the
>Cingular Store was unbelievable....the first thing the guy tells me is "Oh
>your an AT&T customer....I say funny, my bill has been saying Cingular for
>months....it went down hill from that point..and I left the store.
>
>I'm finding that tons of my friends also have Verizon, so calls between
>Verizon users are FREE anytime which is great.
>
>-Ken
>
>
>
>"Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:01exe.66$vE5.0@trndny07...
>>
>> "Ken V" <kenvtNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:V-
>>
>> > Up until last week when I dumped Cingular for Verizon, my phone still
>> > showed
>> > AT&T Wireless on the gsm side, and AT&T on the TDMA.
>> >
>>
>> I'm ready to switch out of Cingular, when my old ATTWS contract expires in
>> three weeks.
>>
>> How do you like Verizon? What did they charge to set up an account?
>>
>>
>
Anonymous
July 6, 2005 2:06:37 AM

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Can you provide a link to the FCC site that says AMPS is not allowed on 1900 mHz in
the United States?

TH

Jerome Zelinske wrote:

> It could not use analog on PCS, because the FCC will not allow it.
>
> Tropical Haven wrote:
> > Well, technically, I don't see why a carrier couldn't use AMPS on 1900 mHz if it
> > was willing to invest enough money into the development. But from an economical
> > standpoint, it wouldn't make any sense. It would be like Compaq coming out with
> > a new home PC, running on vacuum tubes. Possible, but not plausible.
> >
> > TH
> >
> >
> >> cingular would definitely want to launch gsm on all of it's licensed
> >>spectrum. But that does not mean that they want to or would launch tdma
> >>on all of it's spectrum. It definitely does not mean that they have
> >>launched analog on PCS. Only digital is allowed on PCS.
> >>
> >>John S. wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:zH9xe.14422$pa3.1057@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hence my orginal question. If anyone of knows of specifics of orange and
> >>>>blue TDMA merging (naturally, which are not company confidential), I'd
> >>>>love to hear about them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I know that they merged all of the systems, AMPS, TDMA and GSM.
> >>>
> >>>In some areas where Cingular aquired the "other" frequency spectrum, they
> >>>installed new dual band antennas on towers to consolidate sites into one
> >>>"ground structure" where they had two sites on the same tower or close by
> >>>towers.
> >>>
> >>>For instance in Southern LA, Cingular had the cellular frequencies and
> >>>aquired the PCS frequencies in the deal. In Northern LA it was reversed.
> >>>
> >>>Cingular also has been changing out buildings at sites to get more floor
> >>>space for the migration of the two systems to a common ground struture.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
July 7, 2005 3:01:33 PM

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"Tropical Haven" <email@example.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Do you have a TDMA plan or a GSM plan?
>

TDMA. I should have converted to a GSM plan back when I was on ATTWS, but
as I recall, my existing TDMA plan was a better deal. Last July, ATTWS
offered to add some features, like more minutes, 7 PM N/W and free mobile to
mobile, if I would agree to a one year contract (by that point, my original
contract had completed its term and was now on month-to-month).

I asked how long TDMA would be up and the rep said at least 5 more
years--ten maybe. I didn't count on Cingular's refusal to treat
long-standing customers any different than someone that just came in off the
street.

I am clearly biased against Cingular. I'd do better to go elsewhere. Less
aggravation. And some degree of satisfaction in knowing that they failed to
push me around. What jerks they are.
Anonymous
July 19, 2005 3:34:25 AM

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Your best bet is to contact Cingular online and purchase a new GSM handset.
Online you will get the best price and shipping is pretty fast. They will
charge you an $18 activation fee, but you can get a free phone out of it
usually.

-Nick

"Hybyd2" <hybyd2REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
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>I do realize TDMA is dying. Anyone know if any of this merging of the blue
>and orange networks applies to TDMA? Any blue TDMA customers out there
>with any merge experience? I'd love to hear about it ...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Henry
>
!