r300/r1800 print matching

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"Piemanlager" <simon.nospamevans2@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I have two R300 and an R1800 all connected to my PC. The two R300 were
> connected first then I added the R1800 a couple of weeks ago.
> Can some one explain, in simple terms, why I prints off the R1800 that
match
> my monitor, but with my R300's i get a much darker prints?
There is something wrong with the R300 profile?
Jim

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"Jim" <j.n@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Piemanlager" <simon.nospamevans2@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>> I have two R300 and an R1800 all connected to my PC. The two R300 were
>> connected first then I added the R1800 a couple of weeks ago.
>> Can some one explain, in simple terms, why I prints off the R1800 that
> match
>> my monitor, but with my R300's i get a much darker prints?
> There is something wrong with the R300 profile?


How do i check?


> Jim
>
>

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"Piemanlager" <simon.nospamevans2@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote in message
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>> "Piemanlager" <simon.nospamevans2@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>>>I have two R300 and an R1800 all connected to my PC. The two R300 were
>>>connected first then I added the R1800 a couple of weeks ago.
>>> Can some one explain, in simple terms, why I prints off the R1800 that
>>> match my monitor, but with my R300's i get a much darker prints?
>>
>> Dark prints are usually a case of double-profiling
>
> Whats double proofing?
>
> thanks

I don't know double-proof but double-profiling is what I call it when color
managemenbt has been applied twice. This message here set me right

http://groups-beta.google.com/grou [...] 260cafef30


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Hi there.

You are correct it is not your Monitor Profile, that is causing the problem,

It is because you are converting twice, once in PS and again in the Printer.
You also seem to be using the wrong profile.

From what I can gather, most people do the following.

In Print with Preview

Source Space - should be Document, and the profile showing should be the
one PS is using as its Work Space, sRGB or Adobe RGB.

Print Space - should be the Epson Printer Profile, specific to the paper you
are about to print on. ( 2200 Premium Glossy)

Intent - Relative Colourimetric or Perceptual according to taste.

Use Black Point.

In the Printer Driver Dialogue.

Set Colour Ink, Orientation as usual.

In Media drop down list - choose the paper you are about to use.

Go to Custom then Advanced and choose "No Colour Management".

Uncheck High Speed, Smooth edges, Finest Detail, etc and select 2880Dpi.

Then click Print.

PS will now do the conversion from its Working Space (sRGB) to the Printer's
Profile, and send that Data to the printer, which will print what PS has
sent without making any colour conversions. This should give as accurate a
Print as is possible.

OR - There is a different way.

In PS Select Document in Working Space as before, but in Print Space select
Colour Management by Printer.

In the Printer dialogue you will then be able to choose any of the Fancy
options, but "Automatic" will probably give you a very reasonable result.

Whatever you do, do not combine both of these ways, because then PS will do
the conversion and when the Printer gets the Data it will apply another
similar set of conversions to that info, and you will get wrong colours.

ICM is Windows version of Colour Management, and you do not need another set
of conversions being applied.

Hope this helps, but CM is a difficult subject, and the obvious choices are
often not the correct ones.

Roy G

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> I'm not too critical about color but I'd like my prints to be close to
> what the monitor displays. The problem is, only one of my three printers
> is out of whack so I suspect monitor calibration is not going to help.

> Using a Dell laptop the colors and brightness on my screen are very close
> to what my Canon i850 prints (source file is JPEG large from a Canon 1D).
> I tried on my wife's Canon i450 and the same thing - a very close match
> with my monitor.

> But when I send the same file to my brand new Epson 2200, the print is
> much, much darker.

> Just for tests, I took the same file and boosted the "Brightness" control
> in Photoshop CS by a value of 25 and then the Epson was somewhat closer,
> in brightness but not color, to what I see on the screen and what the
> Canon prints.

> So is monitor calibration really going to help? I think instead I need
> some sort of curve for my printer, while my monitor is fine. If I did
> calibrate the monitor to match the Epson printer, my screen would probably
> be so dark it would be hard to see the menus.

> Here is my workflow:

> For 13x19 print on Epson Professional Media Premium Glossy Photo Paper,
> resized image by cropping to 11x17.

> From Photoshop CS , boost Brightness by value of 25.

> Choose Print with Preview. Click on Page Setup.

> Click on Printer and choose Epson 2200 and click OK

> Set paper size to Super B (13x19 in), choose Orientation landscape and
> click OK.

> I set width to 17. inches

> Choose Color management: Document sRGB

> Print space: Profiles: RGB IEC61966-2.1, Intent: Relative Colormetric

> Check box for Use Black Point Compensation

> Click Print button

> Verify again printer is correct

> Color management choose ICM

> ICC profile choose 'Applied by printer software', Epson Standard,
> Perceptual, SP2200 Premium Glossy_PK

> Uncheck Fast printing and edge smoothing

> Paper and quality options: Sheet, Premium Glossy Photo Paper, SuperPhoto -
> 2880dpi, Super B, Landscape, print preview.

> On Page Layout tab choose Centered

> Click OK to begin printing.


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Awesome, just awesome. I've got great prints now!

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