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November 15, 2011 7:19:28 AM

Hi everyone :hello: 

I am buying my computer by the end of this week :D  and I need to now ASAP what GPU configuration I should get.

I will be gaming at 1080p on a 24" monitor ( http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VS248H/ ) and would like to know your opinions.

What should I get?

2 x 560 Ti's in SLI.

1 x 580 with no plans of future SLI.

I want to max (I mean MAX out to the limits) out every current game and future games (BF3, MW3, Skyrim ect...). So taking into account my monitor resolution, would you suggest a 580 or 2 x 560 Ti's in SLI?

Thanks and please bomb bard me with opinions, links and comments.

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November 15, 2011 11:29:39 AM

Thanks, would you suggest the monitor or get a better one?

So should I just get a 580?
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 11:36:24 AM

Get 2 x 560ti 2gb models , faster and better than a single GTX 580 and will keep you good for awile, the 2gb vram will come in handy with the newer games.
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November 15, 2011 11:56:41 AM

Thanks, I have just been reading up on both configurations and I am going to take the plunge and get 2 x 560 Ti's in SLI.

I only have one more question.

1) What is the BEST 560 Ti to run in SLI, money is not a problem, I just want to know the BEST in terms of cooling, performance and speed (I don't care about noise I just want to know the best).

Thanks.
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 12:14:00 PM

I find the ASUS, Gigabyte and the MSI versions of the 560ti the best , the cooling on all 3 of them is excellent and they all overclock really well.
Have a look at all 3 models and compare them , its down to personal perference , but whichever you choose , you cant go wrong.
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November 15, 2011 12:21:34 PM

Which 3 models?

Hawk?
SOC?
Direct CU II?
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 12:24:14 PM

Yup exactly those 3
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 12:25:11 PM

If it helps , I say get the MSI Hawk , heard they overclock the best and other users swear by them.
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November 15, 2011 12:35:48 PM

Yeah thanks. I was considering the Hawk.


Does it have the best cooling though? I wanf something that runs really cool.

Thanks.
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November 15, 2011 12:43:53 PM

I have a Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti SOC (single) and it runs great, highest factory overclock out of the box by a fair margin and is nice and cool - currently I'm getting about 5C about ambient, with the lowest fan speed (idle). I'd definately recomend it.
ED: The Windforce X2 is very similar to the Twin Frozr II or III, both in design and performance.
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 12:45:10 PM

I have the Gigabyte also and its the fastest one of the lot.
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November 15, 2011 8:08:34 PM

Ok, so alot of it is cleared up for me, I just don't know what GPU!

SOC vs Hawk? In the end, which card is really worth it?

So confused.

Thanks.
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a b U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 9:01:00 PM

I don't think the SOC or the Hawk models have 2GB of RAM. If you were to SLi two 1GB models then you would be limited to that VRAM which is not enough for Skyrim or BF3.

Here are the two 2GB cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Either of those cards would be a great choice, maybe the eVGA cards are tiny bit better because they exhaust the heat outside the case but you probably can't overclock them as much as MSI card with their excellent Twin Frozr cooler.
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November 15, 2011 9:09:12 PM

I have read that I don't need more than 2GB of Vram for a single monitor at 1080p.

Won't 2GB in total suffice? Read this: http://www.overclock.net/t/1153604/battlefield-3-vram-u... and the post by xPwn.

Thanks and recommendations on cards will be nice, it is such a difficult decission for me to make.

SOC vs Hawk, SOC vs Hawk?

Please help me!
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a b U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 9:14:06 PM

The VRAM won't stack if you SLi two 1GB cards, you are still left with 1GB for each card.

There are plenty of reviews and forum posts, etc. showing that BF3 uses more than 1GB of VRAM and Skyrim can use up to 1.28GB; and we're talking on a single HD monitor. If money is no issue, you should get the 2GB cards for future proof, especially if you want to add in some nice Skyrim high-res texture mods.

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November 15, 2011 9:24:24 PM

But won't the 1GB of Vram stack up to make 2GB, I don't need 4GB of Vram that is like giving a child $50 to buy a bag of candy.

I am confused and would like more input from others too.

Thanks for the reply Warmacblu.
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a b U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 9:26:42 PM

The VRAM will not stack.
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November 15, 2011 9:36:58 PM

Well is it worth getting this card for the extra $100 then (not SLI)?

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Will this MAX out both games on the highest settings? I will not plan to do SLI if I go with this. I want a card that will do most of todays games at 60+ FPS and future game for around 2 years.

So 560 Ti Hawks in SLI vs 580 3GB Lightning Extreme Edition (remembering my resolution, and I will not do multi monitors, just one for gaming)?

Thanks!
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a b U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 9:48:29 PM

A single GTX 580 will not max BF3 at 1900x1200 using Ultra settings, you will need two of them.

2 GTX 560 Ti's may not max out BF3 at 1900x1200 using Ultra settings, you may need to step up to two GTX 570's (Tom's recommendation for the nVIDIA camp)

I personally do not want to deal with the hassle of SLi, especially since I can afford to purchase a fast enough GPU every other year or so. Since you want to max out BF3, you will need to purchase at least 2 GTX 570's, take a look at Tom's BF3 analysis and make a decision based on that.
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November 15, 2011 10:01:12 PM

Are you sure? Thanks for the info.

I wanted to get 560 Ti's in SLI hoping that it will MAX out BF3.

I really do't know what to do now?
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November 15, 2011 10:17:06 PM

Just to let you know, I will be playing at 1920x1080 so will a single 580 3GB XE suffice?

Thanks.
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a b U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 10:22:00 PM

I haven't seen any comparisons between the 3GB LXE versus the 1.5GB LE for BF3 but in most games the 3GB of memory is not useful because rendering limitations are reached before then. If you were gaming on multiple displays, then the 3GB version might be useful.

Check out this superb review:

http://www.behardware.com/articles/844-1/geforce-gtx-58...
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November 15, 2011 10:36:11 PM

Thanks for the link but it doesn't entirely helpful for my situation. I will be gaming at 1080p and 1920x1080p.

I was very happy with 560 Ti SLI but then you said that 1GB + 1GB doesn't add up to 2GB :( 

Could you provide me a link for ^THAT^

Thanks and if I were going to get 560 Ti's in SLI would you recommend the Hawk?

Thanks!
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a b U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 10:44:55 PM

That's a good review to show that even at those very high resolutions, the 3GB doesn't benefit much; just imagine on a lower resolution.

Just search Google and you will find that the VRAM does not stack.

The MSI Hawk cards are great, you can't go wrong with those.
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November 15, 2011 10:51:55 PM

Ok so 2 x MSI 560 Ti's in SLI (Hawk edition) vs the MSI 580 (Hawk edition)?

Thanks, and remember I want MAX performance on the games.
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November 15, 2011 11:03:45 PM

I know but I like looks of Hawk edition and it doesn't come in 2GB variations. Will 1GB x 2 suffice for my needs? Also they don't have the 2GB models at my store www.pccasegear.com

I don't really understand Vram but would like to.

So this is what I am pending on:

2 x MSI 1GB 560 Ti's in SLI (Hawk edition).

Will it MAX out on 1080p at 1920x1080 or do I need the extra Vram for Skyrim, BF3, MW3 ect?

Thanks monsta and Warmacblu for the help.
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 11:07:29 PM

The vram issue is starting to make sense now , the latest games are starting to push over 1gb.
There isnt much difference in the Hawk and the Twin frozr, a 2gb model would allow you to push your settings further in the games that pass the 1gb vram.
Its up to you , I see in the reviews that the 1gb model does the trick but others argue that 1gb isnt enough now.
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 11:21:54 PM

I wouldnt get the 6950's for some reason the drivers aren't ustilising the xfire too well at the moment, games like BF3 are favouring the Nvidia cards. A lot of gamers are not very happy with ATI and their drivers right now.
Go with the Msi Twin Frozr 560ti 2GB, you will love the performance in SLI right now with the latest games, or you could wait till the end of the month when they Release the new model 560ti that has more cores.
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 11:24:59 PM

BTW the Twin Frozr and the Hawk look almost identical
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November 15, 2011 11:34:42 PM

Ok, I will consider what you are saying. Sadly my store doesn't stock the Twin Frozr 2GB model :( 

What would you say about 1 570 and later another 570 or would it be overkill for my resolution, 1080p?

This one in particular: http://au.msi.com/product/vga/N570GTX-Twin-Frozr-III-Po...

Or this one: http://au.msi.com/product/vga/N570GTX-Twin-Frozr-III-Po...

And what is the difference between the two? Is it that one is factory overclocked? In other words could I over clocked the non OC one to the same level as the OC one with the same tepms and power consumption?

Thanks!
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 15, 2011 11:58:21 PM

A 570 would also be great, and adding another later wouldn't be overkill , you would have an awesome gaming rig that could play anything you throw at it.
The only difference with the 2 is an overclock, you can achieve the overclock yourself really. After Burner is a great overclocking utility that comes with the MSI cards you can adjust everything , from core, voltage and fan settings.
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November 16, 2011 12:56:07 AM

Thanks, so you would recommend 570 for the added ~250mb of Vram which would give me a further 500mb of Vram.

So SLI 560 Ti's would give 2GB?

And SLI 570 will give me 2.5GB?

Am I right in saying this, and what would the overall performance boost be between 560 Ti's in SLI and 570 in SLI.

Thank you for your time and patience, I have really enjoyed your comments and input monsta.
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a b U Graphics card
November 16, 2011 1:03:01 AM

... VRAM does not stack ... does ... not ... stack ...
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November 16, 2011 1:08:57 AM

Ok, thanks for that Warmacblu.

Now I am seriously considering 570 in SLI vs 6970 CrossFire?

I like the looks of 6970's and there clock speeds, maybe monsta and Warmacblu could help me on this one.
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a b U Graphics card
November 16, 2011 1:12:54 AM

I am thinking of doing this in a few months when I hear more about the next gen cards:

Buy a single GTX 570 or 580 and see if I am satisfied with the performance from those cards. If I am not then I will add another one in SLi or wait until Kepler and sell off the GTX 570 / 580 and purchase a GTX 670 / 680.

If I were you, why not try a single GTX 570 or even a 580 and if you are not satisfied with the performance, then add another one down the road.
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 16, 2011 1:14:13 AM

Go with the 570, too many driver issues with the ATI cards with BF3
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November 16, 2011 1:16:18 AM

Ok 570 it is, but it the 1.25GB Vram enough?

Thanks!
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a c 92 U Graphics card
November 16, 2011 1:20:14 AM

Yup should be fine , better than 1GB
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November 16, 2011 1:22:31 AM

Its like everything is so easy to pick when building a PC, then you get to the GPU and its like OMG what do I do and what do I get!

What PSU should I have 2 570's in SLI?

Thanks monsta.
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a b U Graphics card
November 16, 2011 1:23:46 AM

Minimum 750 watt. I would highly recommend a good quality 800 - 1000 watt power supply for any high end SLi configuration.
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