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January 14, 2012 2:02:21 PM

Hello, I am building a computer for my grandmother and I was wanting a second opinion on this setup.i checked everything for compatibility to the best of my ability but I'm far from being an expert. I haven't bought anything yet. Also if possible is there anyway to cut cost on this and get it closer to 400$. She doesn't need a gpu as she doesn't play any games that would require more than the intigrated hd2000.






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January 14, 2012 2:05:09 PM

Buy her a computer from DELL or something. They are made for this kind of thing.
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January 14, 2012 2:09:34 PM

I agree.

Granny doesn't need a i5-2500, Z68 and a SSD.

How bout a i5-2300 and a H61? Or a i3-2100 and a H61?

What is she going to do a with a 32GB SSD hd??? Wouldn't a 500GB standard hd make a lot more sense?? Yes I know standard hd's are a little expensive right now, but she's gonna have to buy one anyways because 32GB will last her what a week?

You could do i3-2120/H61/Memory for under $200.
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January 14, 2012 2:13:49 PM

@ raidinn I would but I couldn't find any that we're of the same level parts for even close to 400$ and I think she will really benefit from an ssd
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January 14, 2012 2:15:16 PM

Oh sorry I forgot to mention that she already has a compatible 1 tb hdd
And she wants one that will last, and she does a lot of multi tasking
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January 14, 2012 2:16:37 PM

Two things you should never be cheap on in a PC is the motherboard and power supply. You OK on the motherboard but I suggest you change the power supply to a Antec 380D green.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The SSD you have is to small plus you should get a SATA 3 drive. Windows 7 will take on its own 25GB's so I suggest a more roomy 64GB with the Crucial M4.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 14, 2012 2:50:08 PM

@ elbert Hmmm well I already have a DVD drive and a hdd. I could get the psu you reccomended, but I wouldn't be able to get the larger ssd as im getting into too much cost. ( I could use the small one for just a boot drive) or would it be better to cut down on the CPU or mobo and get a bigger ssd and use as boot drive and storage for most of her programs
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January 14, 2012 3:02:48 PM

I don't think your Grandma will notice the difference of an SSD of any size.
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January 14, 2012 3:05:50 PM

SSD and a i5-2500 and Z68 in Grandma's computer is absolutely ridiculous. lol

It would run exactly the same with a H61/i3 at half the cost. A 32gb SSD is going to be full as soon as you load Windows and God knows she doesn't need a quad core cpu.

What is granny going to do with a quad core that a dual core w/hyperthreading can't do just as fast??
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January 14, 2012 3:07:39 PM

@ vigilant She types on computers for a living and boot time and windows responsiveness in really important to her
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January 14, 2012 3:31:13 PM

geekapproved said:
SSD and a i5-2500 and Z68 in Grandma's computer is absolutely ridiculous. lol

It would run exactly the same with a H61/i3 at half the cost. A 32gb SSD is going to be full as soon as you load Windows and God knows she doesn't need a quad core cpu.

What is granny going to do with a quad core that a dual core w/hyperthreading can't do just as fast??



So would you reccomended a i3 2125 ( with the hd 3000 graphics) and the asrock h61icafe with different ram and a larger ssd
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January 14, 2012 3:32:50 PM

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Chasefooo - what hacking site or internet terrorist group does your GRANDMOTHER belong to needing a rig like that.?


Haha she just wants a really fast computer that can run anything and she has money to spend
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January 14, 2012 3:48:26 PM

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nothing strong than an i5-2400 and a good H61 motherboard will do fine like stated above.
and the i5-2400 is only because she wants or you want to spend the money..


Little bit of both she wants the fastest thing on the block, but I guess we do live in Amish country....
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January 14, 2012 4:13:51 PM

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still an i5-2500K and Z68 is too much...
for her anyways.


Alright Im gonna go with the i3 2125 and the h61 asrock with the crucial 64 gb ssd
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January 14, 2012 4:14:28 PM

Best answer selected by Chasefooo.
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January 14, 2012 4:59:20 PM

I am going to own my grand kids on Battlefield 35 (or whatever else is out then) when I am a grandpa. Just sayin.
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January 14, 2012 5:41:41 PM

Haha or final fantasy 9K-5
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January 14, 2012 7:44:01 PM

Due to a budget increase, her decision, I will now be going with.



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January 14, 2012 8:14:04 PM

Can you get the EarthWatts 430 for the same price as the 380? Often times they are very close and if so you might as well take the step up.

Also, OCZ SSDs have some of the highest failure rates (they are probably giving you the deal because they can't sell them retail). Just wanted to alert you to that before you buy it. Crucial M4 has very low failure rates.

If your grandma wants to get heavy into the productivity apps, you might want a 64 bit version of windows and want to move up to 8GB of Kingston or Crucial RAM instead of the 4GB you have listed. It is usually not too expensive to step up from 4 to 8 and it can make a lot of things much easier for the PC.
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January 14, 2012 8:52:15 PM

Raiddinn said:
Can you get the EarthWatts 430 for the same price as the 380? Often times they are very close and if so you might as well take the step up.

Also, OCZ SSDs have some of the highest failure rates (they are probably giving you the deal because they can't sell them retail). Just wanted to alert you to that before you buy it. Crucial M4 has very low failure rates.

If your grandma wants to get heavy into the productivity apps, you might want a 64 bit version of windows and want to move up to 8GB of Kingston or Crucial RAM instead of the 4GB you have listed. It is usually not too expensive to step up from 4 to 8 and it can make a lot of things much easier for the PC.


Ok thanks I'll look for the psu and a better ssd, about the ram, she doesn't do much in the productivity section if she ever does Want to I'll get her two more sticks
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January 14, 2012 8:58:50 PM

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don't really need a Z68 if your NOT overclocking but it's not my money...
what GPU (graphics card) and you stated you have a HDD to carry over right.?


The z68 I founds on sale for bout 90$ I figured it would be better because of the features and the 1600 ram slots
As for now I was gonna use the i5's intigrated hd2000, would that be good enough for very light games(zelda).
And yes she has a decent 500 gb sata in her old computer
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January 14, 2012 9:06:47 PM

What is she doing with it if she types on computers for a living and she isn't using productivity apps?

Is she like a Youtube celebrity or something?

The HD2000 graphics are nothing to write home about, but they aren't the worst thing in the world either. For very undemanding stuff it should be fine.
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January 14, 2012 10:13:21 PM

Raiddinn said:
What is she doing with it if she types on computers for a living and she isn't using productivity apps?

Is she like a Youtube celebrity or something?

The HD2000 graphics are nothing to write home about, but they aren't the worst thing in the world either. For very undemanding stuff it should be fine.


oh sorry i was thinking of like after effects and such. she uses ms office alot and does a ton of multitasking. do you think it would be better to go with 1333 8 gb, or 1600 4 gb.
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January 14, 2012 10:17:22 PM

ok thank you very much :D 
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January 14, 2012 10:29:07 PM

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still an i5-2500K and Z68 is too much...
for her anyways.


Who are you to say what people need? Does anyone really "need" to get 100+ FPS in ZZZZ Game with OMG details and 10,000x5,000 resolution? Or to overclock to 12Ghz? Or a 1400MP digital camera or car that can go 215+mph for that matter?

If she doesn't mind spending the money, and is a power user (or at least notices the speed) then good for her. Wanting a fast computer/car/etc doesn't have an age or gender limit. He asked if he can shoehorn a great proc into a $400 build with an SSD and no video card - because gaming isn't important to her. So we should help with that; this is a hardware site, not just a "build the best gaming pc" site.

Also, as to the "small" SSD - Z68 enables Smart Response with a small SSD. The system will auto cache the most commonly used files to the SSD to increase performance. Not to the levels of having an SSD system drive, but far beyond what you can get with just an HDD.
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January 14, 2012 10:41:15 PM

alright, thanks
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January 14, 2012 10:45:04 PM

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calm down with your knight in shining armor act, way to dramatic and if you really paid attention to the thread I stated my opinion..
:p 


Yes, I believe you started off by saying only hackers would need a rig like that :-P

If she wants to run 20 word docs, a few excel sheets and a ppt presentation a little faster, by all means. I mean, I have a fairly nice gaming rig that sits off 90% of the time because I don't have any time to play it anymore. I don't really "need" it either, I guess.
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January 15, 2012 1:25:48 AM

Chasefooo said:
oh sorry i was thinking of like after effects and such. she uses ms office alot and does a ton of multitasking. do you think it would be better to go with 1333 8 gb, or 1600 4 gb.


Benchmark tests have shown little to no difference between 2133 RAM and 1333 RAM in most any area.

The benchmark most affected was the speed of using WinZip to zip up a 1 gig directory (or close).

On the other hand, the difference in having 4 additional GB to play around with is potentially quite large.

Each tab is like 75 MBs minimum. Times that by 10 tabs and you already have 750 MB used (I quite often have more tabs than this open at once even on my low RAM laptop). That is a full 1/4 of all the RAM on my laptop (3 GBs) not even counting what is used by the OS. Just booting up and opening my Chrome browser (set to re-open original tabs) puts me at like 75% RAM usage.

The whole 1 extra GB going to 4 GB would definitely be nice, but I would rather have 8 if I could.

A nice solid set of 2 x 4GB 1333 (preferably Crucial) RAM is all anyone really needs.

RAM is almost never the bottleneck of a system which is why people so seldomly benefit speed wise from having faster RAM, but there is a considerable advantage to having more of it, especially when you are starting from an amount that is on the low end already.

Diminishing returns kick in pretty fast though. The first and 2nd 2GB sticks are awesome, the 3rd is quite helpful, but the 4th and above not so much. It would be nice if 3GB sticks were made so I could go around suggesting people get 2 x 3GBs all the time, but the closest thing in reality is 2 x 4GBs when people stick with matched pairs (recommended).
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January 15, 2012 1:27:28 PM

It isn't that the OCZ SSDs have high failure rates in combination with 1155 motherboards, it is just that they have the highest SSD failure rates in general.

It fails equally often on everything.

The Crucial ones have the lowest failure rates. If you want more of a chance of it working right away and not having to RMA things, go with Crucial.

If you want to save money and have a greater chance of having to go through the RMA process, go with OCZ.
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January 15, 2012 6:28:57 PM

Thanks everyone for the input. It helped a lot. I love this forum
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January 15, 2012 8:16:46 PM

Raiddinn said:
It isn't that the OCZ SSDs have high failure rates in combination with 1155 motherboards, it is just that they have the highest SSD failure rates in general.

It fails equally often on everything.

The Crucial ones have the lowest failure rates. If you want more of a chance of it working right away and not having to RMA things, go with Crucial.

If you want to save money and have a greater chance of having to go through the RMA process, go with OCZ.

Guess your right as those two are just the more often purchased. The mass quantity of fails come from that combo just due to the likely hood of a 1155 with a SSD. Percentage wise I guess it would be more equal. I have to agree that the OCZ has a high fail rate no matter which motherboard.
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January 15, 2012 9:06:05 PM

well it ain't bad to buy your grandma some nice rig, well in my family were all a bf3 fan, (battlefield,call of duty,counter strike)
from me, my wife, my mom and dad, my grandma, my 2 sisters, each of us play the above games on our family gathering, of course non of us are hardcore gamers, but it ain't bad to have some nice rig to play around during gathering with some nice eye candy
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