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April 27, 2012 9:59:41 AM

Hello,
I planning to build a PC under 500 USD. I am confused between AMD and Intel. while Amd ( FX4100 and A8) offer more cores intel core i3 2100 has less cores. Also, is the cost of motherboard for AMD and Intel same? I am also thinking of buying discrete GPU ( ATI HD 6770). Please help. PC will be used for mediocre gaming ( Latest games and medium settings). which PSU will I need? Please help.
April 27, 2012 4:39:45 PM

Hello,
Guys, help me.
Now I am confused between A8 vs FX 4100 vs core i3 2100. Which one should I go for. Considering future upgrades, will FM1 socket be a dead end? As I am thinking of buying ATI 6770 if budget permits, will FX 4100 have advantage over A8 APU as I will be having a discrete GPU.
I am new to all this.
Waiting. :-) :hello: 
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April 27, 2012 4:53:06 PM

Intel would be the best bet if you plan on upgrading in the future. Dual cores are fine for gaming as long as your not maxing all the settings on every game you play but Quads are better if you have a little extra cash.

For the PSU I would go for a 500-600W with an amp rating of higher than 35A on the 12v rail.

Overall my choice would be this- Intel if you want a higher end system but don't mind spending more money than you would need to, or AMD- if you're on a budget and would like to save more and still have a sufficient enough system to run games and programs at the specs you want them to.

Note- AMD is better imo for eyefinity setup if you wanna to do a dual, triple, quad, or a six monitor setup.

Note 2- List the website or place where you plan to purchase the parts from, it will make it easier for most of us to set you up with a configuration and at the same time find an appropriate price for your needs.
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April 27, 2012 5:14:57 PM

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CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.27 @ Compuvest)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-VS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital AV 320GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.78 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 380W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $500.98

You could drop the video card to an HD 6790 or 6770 if you hate mail-in-rebates like me, but you'll get less performance. Hope you've got peripherals and a copy of windows already...
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April 27, 2012 5:36:12 PM

I would go for a higher power supply just to have more headroom for your components. Heres a configuration for you straight from newegg if your interested.

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX-$119.99

MSI 760GM-P23 (FX) AM3+ AMD 760G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard $52.99

Patriot G Series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model PGV38G1333ELK-$42.99

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive-$84.99

OCZ ZS Series 550W 80PLUS Bronze High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandy Bridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom-$69.99

LITE-ON Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - OEM-$18.99

SILVERSTONE Precision Series PS05-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Tool-less Installation Design Computer Case-$44.99

ASUS EAH6770 DC/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 6770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card-$124.99

Total- $559.92 without shipping (all from newegg)

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April 27, 2012 5:36:27 PM

jessterman21 said:
Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.27 @ Compuvest)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-VS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital AV 320GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.78 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 380W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $500.98

You could drop the video card to an HD 6790 or 6770 if you hate mail-in-rebates like me, but you'll get less performance. Hope you've got peripherals and a copy of windows already...


your math is crap, the price is not out the door but rather lacks shipping and relies on MIR which is not an actual price but rather a six month later price.
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April 27, 2012 5:41:29 PM

dirtyferret said:
your math is crap, the price is not out the door but rather lacks shipping and relies on MIR which is not an actual price but rather a six month later price.


How's my config I setup? It's better and a lot easier to purchase from all at one location since shipping will be cheaper. But Mine doesn't include shipping so I'm not really sure.
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April 27, 2012 5:53:29 PM

dirtyferret said:
your math is crap, the price is not out the door but rather lacks shipping and relies on MIR which is not an actual price but rather a six month later price.

YOUR math is crap! :kaola:  I mentioned the MIR - and shipping is mostly free on these items.

All my info was taken from http://pcpartpicker.com/
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April 27, 2012 6:00:23 PM

zero888 said:
How's my config I setup? It's better and a lot easier to purchase from all at one location since shipping will be cheaper. But Mine doesn't include shipping so I'm not really sure.

And it's way over bloodmage's budget...

The i3 is better than the Phenom at games, and the LGA 1155 platform allows for up to an i7-3770K upgrade in the future. The Antec EA-380D can support up to an HD 7850 with no problems, and that's plenty of gaming power.

I agree, however - I'd advise purchasing everything from Newegg - they're the best! Though you'll be hard-pressed to find a 7200rpm hard drive with enough space - at under $75. You could drop the CPU to a $75 Pentium: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and you would still tie the Phenom in games: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
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April 27, 2012 6:23:02 PM

zero888 said:
How's my config I setup? It's better and a lot easier to purchase from all at one location since shipping will be cheaper. But Mine doesn't include shipping so I'm not really sure.


at least you state you don't include shipping. too many idiots state a low price on an item but fail to notify the first time buyer what an MIR is. a $150 video card out the door might make more sense to a buyer then a $170 card with a $30 MIIR.
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April 27, 2012 7:43:58 PM

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The i3 is better than the Phenom at games, and the LGA 1155 platform allows for up to an i7-3770K upgrade in the future. The Antec EA-380D can support up to an HD 7850 with no problems, and that's plenty of gaming power. http://www.lzxin.info/g.php

Um yes - that's what I said. :heink: 

Here are a few other good video card choices that will keep you in budget with shipping. They perform about the same, but a little worse than an HD 6850.

XFX HD 6790
HIS HD 7770
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April 27, 2012 8:23:43 PM

You could do it. With newegg you will need combos to get it done. Even still you will be hard pressed to get 500 w/o mir.

I'd save till you are closer to 650.00 or 700.00.
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April 27, 2012 8:27:34 PM

I just built a co-working a low-medium performance computer for $535 (including windows 7, no including monitor, keyboard or mouse)

I used (and I don't remember exactly but feel free to use this as a baseline):

Dual core Phenom II
Radeon 5670
pretty basic mother board
2x2Gigs of 1333Mhz of Ram
a 430w PSU (I think...)
and 2 hard drives in JBOD format (one was used and the other was new, wanted to give her at least 500GB of space..)
DVD drive.

now her's was pretty basic, she told me she wanted to play duke nukem and zelda (rolls eyes) on it so I went basic with the option to upgrade... it's possible but difficult to build a system that cheap. I'd suggest seeing if you can get Win7 from your school or something at a discounted rate (my college does that). figure out what the lowest PSU you need is and go +100w above that. all your parts are going to have to be sub $100 though, I'd suggest getting a Black phenom dual core and a mobo that can unlock CPUs. may get nothing, may get a quad.

GOOD LUCK MAN!

EDIT: I actually think I used a dual core Althon... the Regor... 3.0Ghz OC to 3.2... just liked the number
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April 27, 2012 10:30:43 PM

loops said:
You could do it. With newegg you will need combos to get it done. Even still you will be hard pressed to get 500 w/o mir.

I'd save till you are closer to 650.00 or 700.00.


Go with this. At least you have some room for shipping costs and what not.
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April 27, 2012 10:36:40 PM

jessterman21 said:
And it's way over bloodmage's budget...

The i3 is better than the Phenom at games, and the LGA 1155 platform allows for up to an i7-3770K upgrade in the future. The Antec EA-380D can support up to an HD 7850 with no problems, and that's plenty of gaming power.

I agree, however - I'd advise purchasing everything from Newegg - they're the best! Though you'll be hard-pressed to find a 7200rpm hard drive with enough space - at under $75. You could drop the CPU to a $75 Pentium: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and you would still tie the Phenom in games: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...


But wouldn't it be worthwhile to get a Quad core for other things such as video editing, rendering, etc. etc.. I'm not saying that the i3 is not worth it because it is, however I think for his budget a quad core would be a more reasonable way to go ( you may even find a dual core be and quite possibly unlock it to 4 cores, but that's pretty much a gambling).

-Another thought would be looking into APU's. However that doesn't really give you the option to upgrade in the future.
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April 28, 2012 12:59:35 AM

zero888 said:
But wouldn't it be worthwhile to get a Quad core for other things such as video editing, rendering, etc. etc.. I'm not saying that the i3 is not worth it because it is, however I think for his budget a quad core would be a more reasonable way to go ( you may even find a dual core be and quite possibly unlock it to 4 cores, but that's pretty much a gambling).

-Another thought would be looking into APU's. However that doesn't really give you the option to upgrade in the future.

Well sure, in that case a quad core would be advisable, but even the new Pentiums will easily handle the most intense Web browsing sessions as well as multitasking. As long as one of those tasks isn't video encoding or the like.
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April 28, 2012 1:16:11 AM

If you are going to go with AMD spend the $$ and get the best Phenom II you can. The FX's were a flop and piledriver is still a ways off and most likely wont be much better. So there wont be alot of upgrade options.

If you decide to go intel you will be sacrificing initial performance as you would only be getting a dual core in your price range. How ever with the 1155 platform the upgrade option is there down the road if you choose.
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April 28, 2012 3:52:17 AM

Benchmarks show that a 2core Intel core i3 beats FX 4100 easily which is a 4 core.
I thought about Phenom II, but isn't it a aging processor? Which socket it supports?
And about future upgrades, I would think of upgrading CPU and then to crossfire if motherboard permits.
So if i go for FX which supports AM3+ will I be able to upgrade to Piledriver? Or should I go for 1155 platform?
I think Piledriver looks promising.
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April 28, 2012 4:00:54 AM

zero888 said:
Intel would be the best bet if you plan on upgrading in the future. Dual cores are fine for gaming as long as your not maxing all the settings on every game you play but Quads are better if you have a little extra cash.

For the PSU I would go for a 500-600W with an amp rating of higher than 35A on the 12v rail.

Overall my choice would be this- Intel if you want a higher end system but don't mind spending more money than you would need to, or AMD- if you're on a budget and would like to save more and still have a sufficient enough system to run games and programs at the specs you want them to.

Note- AMD is better imo for eyefinity setup if you wanna to do a dual, triple, quad, or a six monitor setup.

Note 2- List the website or place where you plan to purchase the parts from, it will make it easier for most of us to set you up with a configuration and at the same time find an appropriate price for your needs.



Yes I too think 500W will suffice. As you said Quads are better, FX 4100 is a quad. So, shouldn't I go for it?
The price of intel core i3 2100 and AMD FX 4100 is almost same. My work will be gaming on medium settings and heavy web browsing and multitasking. Eg:- Minimizing Crysis and watching a youtube video or playing crysis whle waiting for a youtube video to load or scanning for viruses while surfing or watching a movie.
I would think of future upgrading my processor in future. Like piledriver or Haslem( if it comes in couple of years). Also, crossfire will be an option.

About website, actually I am from India. I posted 500 USD just because it would be easy for you all guys to know my budget. I would be buying parts from a local dealer, who sells parts almost at the same price at newegg.
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April 28, 2012 4:05:08 AM

jessterman21 said:
Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.27 @ Compuvest)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-VS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital AV 320GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.78 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 380W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $500.98

You could drop the video card to an HD 6790 or 6770 if you hate mail-in-rebates like me, but you'll get less performance. Hope you've got peripherals and a copy of windows already...


Actually I am from India. I posted 500 USD so that it will be easy to understand for you guys. So, i can't ship from newegg, but the prices of a local dealer here in India is almost same. You can still post links for me to get an idea and specs.
I am planning to buy HD 6770 only.
I have got Windows 7 and the other stuff.
Thanks. :-)
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April 28, 2012 4:05:50 AM

For 500 bucks initial build if you wanna xfire/OC later down the road you'd have to pick up a new mobo, new PSU which will leave you with $100+ dollars of backup parts waiting to be used once again. Someone suggested earlier that you should save until you reach $700 or so before you take the plunge.

To answer your latest question, AM3+ will support Piledriver. All you would need to do is flash mobo BIOS to the newest revision.

My suggestion, wait until you get more money then drop it on an 1155 platform z77 mobo/bigger PSU for xfire. A proper setup for future xfire capability. Also I'm assuming you'd need windows correct unless you got a free/cheap way to get one yes? Add another $100 to that 500. Cheers and GL
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April 28, 2012 4:09:35 AM

jessterman21 said:
And it's way over bloodmage's budget...

The i3 is better than the Phenom at games, and the LGA 1155 platform allows for up to an i7-3770K upgrade in the future. The Antec EA-380D can support up to an HD 7850 with no problems, and that's plenty of gaming power.

I agree, however - I'd advise purchasing everything from Newegg - they're the best! Though you'll be hard-pressed to find a 7200rpm hard drive with enough space - at under $75. You could drop the CPU to a $75 Pentium: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and you would still tie the Phenom in games: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...



About future upgrade, I would think of upgrading in couple of years. AMD supports AM3+ sockets, will I be able to upgrade?
Motherboard should support crossfire, else a powerful a single GPU in future. Yes, if budget permits. :-)
320 GB HDD would be enough for me or max 500 GB
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April 28, 2012 4:15:18 AM

ohyouknow said:
For 500 bucks initial build if you wanna xfire/OC later down the road you'd have to pick up a new mobo, new PSU which will leave you with $100+ dollars of backup parts waiting to be used once again. Someone suggested earlier that you should save until you reach $700 or so before you take the plunge.

To answer your latest question, AM3+ will support Piledriver. All you would need to do is flash mobo BIOS to the newest revision.

My suggestion, wait until you get more money then drop it on an 1155 platform z77 mobo/bigger PSU for xfire. A proper setup for future xfire capability. Also I'm assuming you'd need windows correct unless you got a free/cheap way to get one yes? Add another $100 to that 500. Cheers and GL


I won't think of OC. But, crossfire, yes. I would think of upgrading my processor in couple of years.
I have got windows 7. No problem about that.
To sum up, my mobo should support future processor upgrade and GPU upgrade. All if budget permits.

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April 28, 2012 4:18:15 AM

And a beefy PSU most importantly. Get a good PSU and MOBO if you want to upgrade graphics cards etc. 600-700 wattage range quality brand.
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April 28, 2012 7:32:12 AM

bloodmage7 said:
I won't think of OC. But, crossfire, yes. I would think of upgrading my processor in couple of years.
I have got windows 7. No problem about that.
To sum up, my mobo should support future processor upgrade and GPU upgrade. All if budget permits.


In response to your previous post, yes the Phenom II is somewhat of an aging processor. That being said with it's 4 true cores it will greatly out perform an i3 in basically everything that isn't single threaded. If you want to build it and keep it go with the Phenom II as it will be faster than anything intel has to offer at that price point. If you want to upgrade go with the 1155 platform but don't waste $125.00 on an i3 just to upgrade it later. Save your $$ and get a good intel quad and go from there.
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April 28, 2012 12:40:07 PM

cmi86 said:
In response to your previous post, yes the Phenom II is somewhat of an aging processor. That being said with it's 4 true cores it will greatly out perform an i3 in basically everything that isn't single threaded. If you want to build it and keep it go with the Phenom II as it will be faster than anything intel has to offer at that price point. If you want to upgrade go with the 1155 platform but don't waste $125.00 on an i3 just to upgrade it later. Save your $$ and get a good intel quad and go from there.


What's the difference between Phenom II and FX series. 4100 is a quad. Piledriver will support AM3+.
And which Intel quad are you talking about?
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April 28, 2012 1:18:32 PM

Maybe next time start your thread with "I'm in India." I appreciate the USD conversion, but hardware is usually priced higher overseas.
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April 28, 2012 3:38:38 PM

jessterman21 said:
Maybe next time start your thread with "I'm in India." I appreciate the USD conversion, but hardware is usually priced higher overseas.


Okay. I am newer to all this. I thought USD conversion will help you all. That's it. Yeah, there is a price difference. Its higher over here. :-(
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April 28, 2012 4:25:16 PM

bloodmage7 said:
What's the difference between Phenom II and FX series. 4100 is a quad. Piledriver will support AM3+.
And which Intel quad are you talking about?


The FX's are not TRUE quads/hex's/octo-cores. They are arranged into modules containing 2 integer processing units with a shared floating point processor. So an FX-4100 "quad" core consists of 2 modules, 4 integer processing units and 2 floating point processors. On the other hand a TRUE quad such as a Phenom II contains 4 cores/ 4 integer processing units and 4 floating point processors, all cores have their own dedicated resources unlike the FX. As far as an intel quad goes I would pick something from the i5 line , maybe a 2400/2500K as I can assume the prices will be dropping soon with the release of ivy.
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April 28, 2012 5:47:16 PM

cmi86 said:
The FX's are not TRUE quads/hex's/octo-cores. They are arranged into modules containing 2 integer processing units with a shared floating point processor. So an FX-4100 "quad" core consists of 2 modules, 4 integer processing units and 2 floating point processors. On the other hand a TRUE quad such as a Phenom II contains 4 cores/ 4 integer processing units and 4 floating point processors, all cores have their own dedicated resources unlike the FX. As far as an intel quad goes I would pick something from the i5 line , maybe a 2400/2500K as I can assume the prices will be dropping soon with the release of ivy.


Hhhmm, if I go for Intel I would have to wait for at least one month.
Phenom needs more power than FX.
Lets see by how much the prices drop. :-)
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April 28, 2012 10:42:48 PM

bloodmage7 said:
Hhhmm, if I go for Intel I would have to wait for at least one month.
Phenom needs more power than FX.
Lets see by how much the prices drop. :-)


Yes at stock clocks the Phenom II does require more power than the FX series, but then again its also faster than an FX clocked 1.0Ghz faster so ti think it all plays out. Plus as soon as you start overclocking the FX to match the Phenom II's performance the FX's power consumption goes through the roof surpassing the Phenom II's power draw by a good margin.
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April 30, 2012 1:35:03 PM

I think I will go for intel corei3 2100. As it shows better performance than AMD. AMD matches 2100 after overclocking in gaming. :-)
Now, I am confused about which motherboard should I choose. I want to upgrade to future processors of intel. (Ivy or Haswell . Will I be able to? if yes, which motherboard should I go for?
Also, as I am planning to buy ATI HD 6770 which supports PCIe x16 2.0. Will it work on other PCIe ports?
In all I would like to opt for a motherboard which will support the card and future processors( if possible).
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April 30, 2012 8:58:56 PM

bloodmage7 said:
I think I will go for intel corei3 2100. As it shows better performance than AMD. AMD matches 2100 after overclocking in gaming. :-)
Now, I am confused about which motherboard should I choose. I want to upgrade to future processors of intel. (Ivy or Haswell . Will I be able to? if yes, which motherboard should I go for?
Also, as I am planning to buy ATI HD 6770 which supports PCIe x16 2.0. Will it work on other PCIe ports?
In all I would like to opt for a motherboard which will support the card and future processors( if possible).


The i3 2100 outperforms a Phenom II Quad in gaming and that's about it.. The Phenom II is noticeably faster at just about every other task possible. Clock the Phenom II to 4.0Ghz (which is a cake walk) and it will perform just as well as the i3 (which cant overclock) when it comes to games. IMHO the i3 is a waste of money. It's architecture (dual core) is soon to be abandoned by the software market. Alot of current games will benefit from more cores so I can only assume this trend will continue in the next generation of games (and pretty much all software) where a quad will be MUCH faster than a dual. The only good thing about the i3 is the 1155 platform, if you want to go 1155 why piss away $125.00 for a soon to be obsolete dual core when you could just save $100 more and get a real CPU like a 2500K that wont need to be upgraded in a couple months.
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May 2, 2012 6:14:18 AM

cmi86 said:
The i3 2100 outperforms a Phenom II Quad in gaming and that's about it.. The Phenom II is noticeably faster at just about every other task possible. Clock the Phenom II to 4.0Ghz (which is a cake walk) and it will perform just as well as the i3 (which cant overclock) when it comes to games. IMHO the i3 is a waste of money. It's architecture (dual core) is soon to be abandoned by the software market. Alot of current games will benefit from more cores so I can only assume this trend will continue in the next generation of games (and pretty much all software) where a quad will be MUCH faster than a dual. The only good thing about the i3 is the 1155 platform, if you want to go 1155 why piss away $125.00 for a soon to be obsolete dual core when you could just save $100 more and get a real CPU like a 2500K that wont need to be upgraded in a couple months.


Phenom II is better than FX. Agreed. But, Phenom II is an old processor and it supports AM3 socket, while future AMD processors will support AM3+( FX series supports that).
In gaming benchmarks i3 is faster than FX. Refer:-
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-210...

The article states that it LGA 1155 will allow you to future upgrade to ivy.
I think I will go for i3 2100. Or should I wait till i5 2400 or 2500k prices drop, which I assume will drop after Ivy Bridge. How much more time will it take? Or should I go for Ivy Bridge directly?
And what about MOBO?

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May 2, 2012 12:31:05 PM

If you can fit it in your budget, get an i5. It will destroy every other CPU in gaming - besides the new i7s.
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May 3, 2012 4:21:11 AM

Intel prices rarely have large price drops and usually stay par on what they are now give or take a few bucks.

It'd be more future proof to pick up the i5 rather than the i3 as stated earlier since dual cores will be on their way out soon. Also, if you game MMO's and BF3 64 multiplayer where there are multiple people on screen a dual core will struggle more than a quad.
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