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Which of these CPUs is best for 3d software rendering? 2500K or 1100T

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April 30, 2012 6:25:04 AM

Hi, I'm building a new system because trying to work on an athlon x2 240 involves too much self harm.

I have been reading around, and it seems that the 2500K is generally better in all regards despite having 2 less cores.

My main priority is rendering time in max, so regarding that, which cpu would be the better buy?

Thanks
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April 30, 2012 6:43:07 AM

Which programs do you plan on using?
April 30, 2012 7:11:41 AM

I will be using 3ds max, and several adobe programs. When I said "My main priority is rendering time in max" I meant "rendering time in 3ds max" sorry about that.
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April 30, 2012 7:45:11 AM

molo9000 said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bul...

The 1100T outperforms the i5-2500k in the 3ds max test here.

Guess it simply has superior floating point performance.


*sigh*

I was afraid the 1100T would come out on top, I spent ages researching the right motherboard to get with the 2500K now I gotta start again :/ 

You wouldn't happen to know an AMD board that is the equivilent to the GA-Z77X-UD3H do you? Or the G1-Sniper M3?
April 30, 2012 7:55:40 AM

childofthetao said:
*sigh*

I was afraid the 1100T would come out on top, I spent ages researching the right motherboard to get with the 2500K now I gotta start again :/ 

You wouldn't happen to know an AMD board that is the equivilent to the GA-Z77X-UD3H do you? Or the G1-Sniper M3?


The 1100T is only faster by a very small amount. You could still go with the 2500K or 3570K. That's what I'd do.
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April 30, 2012 7:56:11 AM

Where did you find an 1100T for sale? I'd love to have one.
April 30, 2012 8:22:24 AM

nekulturny said:
Where did you find an 1100T for sale? I'd love to have one.


It was on a british website (I'm in england), I would give you the link my brother seems to have cleared my history, sorry I can't find it, but just googling it seems to give me a lot of options.

I will be sticking with intel though, AMD just seems like cheaper tech.
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April 30, 2012 8:23:07 AM

Decent board that won't break the bank

http://www.cclonline.com/product/60859/GA-990XA-UD3/Mot...

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The 1100T is only faster by a very small amount. You could still go with the 2500K or 3570K. That's what I'd do.


I love this when the Intel fanboi's find their CPU is 1FPS better in a game they scream from the rooftops how it owns everything and you should consider nothing else but here where their golden idol is clearly beaten by an AMD its dismissed as "small".

Well if your doing ALOT of rendering that "small difference" will soon add up to a large difference.
April 30, 2012 8:41:45 AM

wr6133 said:
Decent board that won't break the bank

http://www.cclonline.com/product/60859/GA-990XA-UD3/Mot...

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The 1100T is only faster by a very small amount. You could still go with the 2500K or 3570K. That's what I'd do.


I love this when the Intel fanboi's find their CPU is 1FPS better in a game they scream from the rooftops how it owns everything and you should consider nothing else but here where their golden idol is clearly beaten by an AMD its dismissed as "small".

Well if your doing ALOT of rendering that "small difference" will soon add up to a large difference.


That's true actually, a six hour render (on the 1100T) would take about 50 minutes longer on the 2500K.

Could you recommend me a different board? I was planning on getting the GA-Z77X-UD3H which is £130, because I plan on overclocking to the max and that board can get the best intel cpu up to 4.7ghz, so do you know an AMD equivalent?

Damn it, I can't find the 1100T from that site I had before, it was only £130, maybe a little less.

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April 30, 2012 8:57:44 AM

The board I linked I currently use with a Phenom II X6 clocked up to 4GHZ its a good board. AMD boards generally just cost less and give more there are pricier ones out there like these

http://www.cclonline.com/product/62749/GA-990FXA-UD3/Mo...

http://www.cclonline.com/product/60857/GA-990FXA-UD5/Mo...

Those 2 are largely aimed at the extreme gaming market, the cheaper 990xa-ud3 will allow you to OC just as well (and it even supports SLi if you decide to game)
April 30, 2012 9:25:38 AM

Mitunch: That's a 1090T, and that price is... well, I'm speechless at that price LOL I'm not paying almost £300 for a 1090T when I found an 1100T for £130 a few days ago.

Why the hell are 100T's so rare? How does that make sense? I'm quite annoyed by this, I literally have no choice but to get a different CPU. Why are they so rare, does anyone know?
April 30, 2012 10:23:35 AM

childofthetao said:
*sigh*

I was afraid the 1100T would come out on top, I spent ages researching the right motherboard to get with the 2500K now I gotta start again :/ 




it happens lol
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April 30, 2012 10:52:08 AM

does it need to be a BE phenom? i see 95W versions of the 1045t & 1055t for under £100 on scan & other sites. lower clock rate than a 1100t sure, but only 95w compared to 125w for the 1100t. as long as mobo you buy isn't a complete piece of junk should be able to crank 1045t to same speed as 1100t :D 

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1045t-s...
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April 30, 2012 11:01:39 AM

1045T I believe has a locked multiplier hence it being cheap the limited ability to OC it means it's not that desirable. The 1090T though has an unlocked multiplier so that one could be clocked to or beyond 1100T specs.

Unlocked Thubans 1100T, 1090T & 960T are getting rare hence the high prices in some places, demand is still high on them and people try to cash in.
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April 30, 2012 11:15:25 AM

ya, i know about the locked multi's, just putting the idea out there since the BE Phenoms are in such short supply. have owned a couple athlon x3's & phenom x4, all where capable of hitting 3.7+ even on a cheapo asrock board with 4+1 voltage regulation. the 1045t could be just as capable, maybe even more so of overlclocking than the 1100t, you never know, it's just luck of the draw that you get a decent chip.
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April 30, 2012 11:56:09 AM

Heres a great mobo i have it and the 1100t OCd to 4ghz

Asus M5A99X EVO, AMD 990X, S AM3+, DDR3, SATA III - 6Gb/s, RAID SATA, PCIe 2.0 (x16), ATX

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-m5a99x-evo-amd-990x...(x16)-atx

If your OCing i recc this cooler aswell.

Be Quiet Dark Rock PRO BK016 CPU Cooler for All Intel & AMD CPU

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/be-quiet!-dark-rock-pro-bk016-cpu-cooler-socket-lga775-1155-1156-1366-2011-am2-am2plus-am3-754-940

Good luck finding the 1100t.
April 30, 2012 12:31:26 PM

Good luck indeed, I will be happy with either an 1100T or a 1090T, but actually finding somewhere that has them in stock AND at a normal price will take more luck than I currently have it seems.

I didn't realize that the 1100T and the 1090T were practically identical :/ 

That's a good looking board there uther, I was going to get the Sabertooth but I think I'll save myself 20 quid and go for that one.



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April 30, 2012 12:31:30 PM

What motherboard do you have now?
Sometimes a bios update is all that is needed to run the Thuban chips.
April 30, 2012 12:32:12 PM

Oh and I'll be getting the Thermalright Silver Arrow, that should do nicely.
April 30, 2012 12:33:05 PM

I'm not sure what motherboard it is, but it is quite old and I would just rather get a new one.
April 30, 2012 1:18:26 PM

You sir are a life saver! I had given up hope of finding one, I was eyeing this bundle, thinking a 1090T was out of the question!

I assume that bundle is NOT the better choice, right?
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April 30, 2012 2:30:50 PM

I'd avoid Llano for your needs its pretty low end (basically athlon with added graphics)

I think the bundle I linked is over priced at 349 i doubt he will see many bids... put this way its a £60 mobo with £40 RAM so he values his CPU at £249 he is either greedy as hell or a bit clueless

I think the 1100T at £153 is the best I can find anywhere right now or if you don't mind second hand that 1090T at £140.99. Personally I would pay the extra for the brand new 1100T and the piece of mind that it hasnt been abused by somebody with little idea of OC'ing.
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April 30, 2012 2:33:24 PM

and the other issue with Llano is it uses socket FM1 which is very soon to be replaced with socket FM2 so its a dead socket. If you get a Phenom II and an AM3+ board you always have the possibility of Piledriver CPU's in the future when they release
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April 30, 2012 3:05:28 PM

You all asked why the Phenom 1090T and 1100T's are so expensive... AMD took them off the market for the most part since, they were better than the Bulldozer Chips.

A good Mobo to overclock would have to be Sabertooth 990FX. From where i have seen, its the #1 AMD board in the states and the ROG is right behind it
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April 30, 2012 3:07:02 PM

The Asus M5A99X EVO overclocks just as well as the Sabertooth.
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April 30, 2012 3:10:57 PM

Rockdpm said:
You all asked why the Phenom 1090T and 1100T's are so expensive... AMD took them off the market for the most part since, they were better than the Bulldozer Chips.

A good Mobo to overclock would have to be Sabertooth 990FX. From where i have seen, its the #1 AMD board in the states and the ROG is right behind it



AMD stopped making them, for some strange reason, last November. Just pulled the plug on all the Phenom line. Big mistake, imo. It was a good chip.
April 30, 2012 3:21:59 PM

yes go for Asus motherboard Sabertooth 990fx/Crosshair formula V

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April 30, 2012 3:54:40 PM

egilbe said:
AMD stopped making them, for some strange reason, last November. Just pulled the plug on all the Phenom line. Big mistake, imo. It was a good chip.


They really want people to move to the FX line (and the newer architecture), and away from the Phenom and Athlons of last generation. The FX line's only saving grace is that AMD said they would support the AM3 socket for a couple of years yet, unlike Intel who is moving to bi-yearly socket changes.
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April 30, 2012 3:57:56 PM

AMD should have cut their losses on the FX line and continued making the Phenom II line until Piledriver was released.
May 1, 2012 6:12:35 AM

wr6133 said:
I think the 1100T at £153 is the best I can find anywhere right now or if you don't mind second hand that 1090T at £140.99. Personally I would pay the extra for the brand new 1100T and the piece of mind that it hasnt been abused by somebody with little idea of OC'ing.


Yeah, there's no way I'd get a second hand CPU at all. The 1100T at £153 will likely not be coming back in stock, so I think my only choice will the 1090T for £154. I won't be buying for a week or two yet, so I'll keep my eye out. I did email them, and they said they won't be getting any more back in stock.

So there aren't any new AMD cpu's (the fx's right?) that are as good as a 1090T?
May 1, 2012 6:25:03 AM

Oh and does anyone know how the Dark Rock Pro compares to the Silver Arrow? I know the silver arrow is really good, but the Dark Rock Pro looks much nicer, (and looks quite a bit smaller).
May 1, 2012 6:28:12 AM

And I just found the Dark Rock Pro 2, I wonder how that fairs.

Lately I've been doing nothing but researching components, man it's addictive :) 
May 1, 2012 10:12:15 AM

From this benchmark I see that the 8150 performs quite well and is better than i5 , so why not go with the 8120 or the 6100,
8120 costs 125 pound
and
6100 costs 100 pound
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product [...] d_i=468294

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product [...] d_i=468294
I would say if you cant get the x6 go with the FX8120 or FX6100, of course they may not beat the IVB, bu tthe FX are less expensive and they perform for their price.
May 1, 2012 3:24:09 PM

I think you forgot to link to the benchmark.

This benchmark (posted above) shows the 1100T outperforming the 8150 so I am very dubious about those new FX cpu's
May 1, 2012 3:48:48 PM

Now I'm wondering whether I should go for an 8120 or maybe a 8150... will this ever end?
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May 1, 2012 4:10:59 PM

I wouldn't touch FX unless I had no other choice. Your initial suggestion was good with the 6 core Phenom II's, I guess i7 is out the budget.

If you can't do the Phenom II due to unavailabilty then I would take a long hard think. Do you intend to do anything other than 3D rendering? If you answer yes to that avoid FX with a bargepole if this is simply a rendering box then maybe an 8120 highly OC'd may be a cheaper option than intel but beaware it sucks more power so if this rig is left running long term it'll cost more and if the rig has secondary uses FX will more than likely suck at them.

And ignore whoever suggested a 6100 it was a dumb suggestion on so many levels they need to go back to school it would perform under the i5 which was one of your initial choices.

I can say FX is cr@p as I formerly owned one and it was........... cr@p, there's too many though that buy it and then in an attempt to validate their awful purchase they try to push it on others.
May 1, 2012 4:38:30 PM

OP, spend a little more and get the 2600K + Z68 motherboard. I haven't checked the comparisons between that chip and the 1100t for the software that you use, but I bet the hyperthreaded i7 isn't that far behind the six-core AMD in performance and the i7 is newer tech and overclocks like a dream.


But if you absolutely can't pony up the additional funds for Intel, follow the advice of others here and DO NOT get an FX chip, get one of those Phenom II Thubans.
May 1, 2012 8:35:25 PM

What z68 board would you recommend?
May 1, 2012 9:31:04 PM

Well, I'm an ASUS man myself, I have the P8Z68-V Pro, and it has been smooth sailing so far.

Compare these two:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

I don't know what those prices come out to in pounds, or what equivalent deals you could get with either online retailers or brick and mortar shops in your neck of the woods, but you can compare the features on those boards with the AM3+ boards you were considering...
May 1, 2012 10:14:11 PM

you can buy a phenom II 960T (can usually be unlocked to 6 cores) for $125 (77 pounds) off newegg.
May 2, 2012 6:06:41 AM

ebalong said:
Well, I'm an ASUS man myself, I have the P8Z68-V Pro, and it has been smooth sailing so far.

Compare these two:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

I don't know what those prices come out to in pounds, or what equivalent deals you could get with either online retailers or brick and mortar shops in your neck of the woods, but you can compare the features on those boards with the AM3+ boards you were considering...



Do you know what the overclocking potential is on those boards?

And I have to ask this, but isn't Z68 old tech compared to Z77? When you suggested a Z68 board I was expecting boards that were not very pricey, but those two you linked to seem as expensive as z77's.

What's the overclocking potential like on those boards? I'm off to read and watch some reviews for them now.

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