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January 17, 2012 4:26:28 PM

I'm about to buy a new PC, these are the components:

AMD Phenom II x4 960T
Asrock 970 Extreme4
8Gb Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600MHz
Leadtek Hurricane GTX 560 Ti
Seasonic SS-500ET
Thermaltake Commander MS-I

1) I can't go with intel, CPU+Mobo would cost a lot more and i won't be able to afford this GPU.
2) I can't go with MSI/EVGA/whatever version of the card because it's more expensive, and i couldn't afford it.
3) In Serbia, we don't have antec and corsair PSUs, so they aren't an option
4) Haf 912 is a great budget case in the US, but it's grossly overpriced where i live ( Serbia ), so that isn't an option. We also don't have antec ( like i said ), so i can't get the 300.

Anithing i should change ( besides the 4 things i listed above )?

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January 17, 2012 4:42:16 PM

Everything is fine.
January 17, 2012 5:29:55 PM

Looks like a solid build to me as well.
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January 17, 2012 5:36:28 PM

What's your budget and is there a store that you do buy from? We can probably suggest good parts for the money if we have those two things.
January 17, 2012 6:08:55 PM

Budget = 500€
Store... Well, i'll buy most of the components from emmi.rs, except the mobo, which i will get from atom.rs

Itsvet.com has the list of all components avaiable for online purchase in Serbia ( click "komponente" ), but the prices are a little off, around 5-15 euros less than they really are.

EDIT: Meh, it's a good build, i'll go for it. Ty.
January 17, 2012 7:01:45 PM

Sorry for the double post, but i need answers quickly as i am about to order. There are 3 versions of gtx 560 ti avaiable:

http://www.emmi.rs/grafičke-kartice-(vga)-vga-geforce-gtx560-ti-leadtek-hurricane-dualfan-1.11.html?productId=19233

http://www.emmi.rs/grafičke-kartice-(vga)-vga-geforce-gtx560-ti-msi-1gb-ddr5.11.html?productId=19287

http://www.emmi.rs/grafičke-kartice-(vga)-vga-geforce-gtx560-ti-msi-hawk-oc-1gb-ddr5.11.html?productId=17034

Which one is the best? If they don't differ much i'll stay with leadtek and save some money, but if there is noticable difference between them ( in both performance and quality ) i can add some money and buy the more expensive one. Now, this seems pretty weird to me, the MSI Hawk which i'm pretty sure is better than the regular msi gtx 560 ti is cheaper than it. Is it better?

January 17, 2012 7:14:46 PM

http://www.emmi.rs/grafi%C4%8Dke-kartice-(vga)-vga-geforce-gtx560-ti-msi-hawk-oc-1gb-ddr5.11.html?productId=17034

^I think that one, better cooling + higher OC. I don't speak the language it's written it, but it seems that way from what I can tell. Also, good brand IMO.
January 17, 2012 7:16:19 PM

Yep. That's what i'm getting then.
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January 17, 2012 7:22:20 PM

Linguo_bastardo said:
Yep. That's what i'm getting then.


If there is a difference in price, you should know that the memory controller on the CPU is 1333Mhz. You can run the ram at 1600 Mhz, but that would be an overclock setting and it will default to DDR3 1333 speed. So if DDR3 1333 memory is cheaper/ better timings than I would go with that.
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January 17, 2012 7:59:31 PM

Linguo_bastardo said:
There is no price difference, and i have no idea what those timings mean. This 8GB 1600Mhz that i plan to buy has these timings: Cl9-9-9-24. It's this one:

http://www.emmi.rs/ram-memorije-memorija-dimm-ddr3-2x4g...

They also have this one:

http://www.emmi.rs/ram-memorije-memorija-dimm-ddr3-2x4g...

They don't seem to have 1333MHz RAM, but i've looked at some other stores, the latency is the same everywhere, 9-9-9-24



OK, no problem. Just wanted you to be aware when your ram isn't running at its rated speed.
January 17, 2012 9:28:52 PM

Seems fine. I say go with a good tower cooler though to overclock the CPU. Not sure what's available there :D 
January 18, 2012 1:09:09 PM

I'll go with msi's twin frozr II gtx 560 ti. The Hawk does perform better, but reviews say it's loud, and i hate loud. It also consumes less power. I'll reuse my Cooler Master Vortex + CPU cooler and 2 1200rpm 12cm recom coolers. They were very cheap but get the job done.

EDIT: Still... I don't know if i should sacrifice the performance for a lower sound... What do you think?
January 18, 2012 1:49:19 PM

You can always just OC if you want more video card performance.

The difference between the 2 you are talking about is only because one is OCd, AFAIK.
January 18, 2012 2:43:58 PM

I don't plan on OCing the GPU... I'll get the Hawk, and a better PSU, Seasonic SS-520GM. I may not need it, but it sure as heck won't hurt.
January 18, 2012 3:45:53 PM

If it is OCd using the built in settings it is still OCd either way. Just sayin.

I would rather not pay $20 or whatever the difference is to a company for what I could do in all of like 2 minutes.
January 18, 2012 3:53:18 PM

Ok. Twin Frozr II it is. So, this is the final build:

AMD Phenom II x4 960t
Asrock 970 Extreme4
8GB Kingston Genesis Grey DDR3 1600MHz
MSI Twin Frozr II GTX 560 Ti
Seasonic SS-520GM
Thermaltake Commander MS-I

Can't wait! Thank you for your help!
January 18, 2012 4:12:09 PM

The MSI video card will come with a program called MSI Afterburner which will make OCing unbelievably simple if you do want to do it.
January 18, 2012 4:13:00 PM

Ok.

EDIT: What about intel? I made an intel build which should equal if not better than this PC ( in gaming ):

i3 2100
Asus P8Z68-V LX ( I know it has no SLI, but i probably wouldn't even use it anyway )
4GB Kingston Genesis Grey DDR3 1600MHz ( had to downgrade to 4 because of the more expensive mobo and CPU )
MSI Twin Frozr II GTX 560 Ti
Thermaltake MS-I
Seasonic SS-520GM

I will go with this unless someone states a good reason not to. I will also upgrade to ivy bridge in a year or two.
January 19, 2012 11:34:39 AM

Well, the performance would be almost the same, but you can overclock the phenom and it has 4 cores so it would make BF3 and new games run better. But if you're gonna upgrade to ivy, get the i3.
January 19, 2012 1:09:37 PM

The 960T is a thuban 6 core processor with two cores disabled and the ASRock 970 board can potentially unlock the other two if they weren't disabled after testing revealed flaws.

So you are really looking at a 4, maybe 5, maybe 6 core processor vs the i3-2100. If all 6 did unlock, you would be looking at something closer to a 1090T.

Anandtech didn't have benchmark scores for the 960T, so here is a 965 vs the i3 in a series of tests

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=289

and here is the 1090T vs the i3 in the same tests

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=289

The i3 does better in apps that don't take advantage of extra cores and the AMD chips win sometimes by 2x in apps that do.

If you want to leave yourself open for Ivy Bridge, though, I can understand that.
January 25, 2012 8:07:47 PM

I haven't bought the pc yet ( i dunno wtf i'm waiting for ) , and there's a small discount on MSI's Radeon HD 6950 2gb, so it costs almost the same as the 560 ti. I don't know what to buy! Do i need the 6950 if i game at 1680x1050? Will it be more future-proof?
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January 25, 2012 8:22:00 PM

In the sytem builder marathons on this site last year Toms built a $500 machine using an i3 2100 and a $500 machine using an AMD quad

The AMD machine smashed the i3 everywhere , except gaming where it was a little behind . And then they overclocked the phenom[ which you cant do to the i3] and then it beat the intel there too .
The i3 is not the budget cpu choice for gamers , [ or anything really ]

Benchmarks like anandtechs on clean machines that no one would build ..like a way expensive graphics card in a budget board with a budget cpu ..... are worse than meaningless . They are misleading .

The AMD quad wins in the real world , and by a very decent margin
January 26, 2012 2:09:50 PM

I know, i will go with the phenom, but what about the GPU?
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