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November 20, 2011 2:21:05 AM

Ok, so im trying to build a gaming computer, (havent ever before but im pretty good with computers.) and i have all of my parts chosen (havent bought any yet) except for the video card and cannot chose, heres my parts list, is it a good build? and please let me know which graphics card i should get, i want to be able to play games like skyrim, battlfield 3, crysis 2, and new vegas on at least 1080p max settings.

Processor: i5 2500k

Motherboard: ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z LGA 1155 Intel Z68

RAM: 8gb ddr3 @ 1600 mhz

Graphics Card: ????????


what card should i get, im not wanting to spend to mouch money on it either. THANKS

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November 20, 2011 2:30:54 AM

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November 20, 2011 2:31:48 AM

You need to provide more details. Whats the wattage on your powre supply? What is your budget for the card. I cannot reccomend anything until you have given this info. Are you interested in dual/tri/quad card setups?Whats the resolution on your monitor?
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November 20, 2011 2:38:06 AM

sorry,
my screens max resolution is 1900x1080p

my power supply is a: COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS700-PCAAE3-US 700W ATX 12V v2.3 Active PFC Power Supply.

My budget is anywher too 300 prefferabbly less so i can have more money to spend on games.

at first i wish to only have a single card, but overtime ill probably run two or three cards.
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November 20, 2011 2:40:36 AM

Illest said:
sorry,
my screens max resolution is 1900x1080p

my power supply is a: COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS700-PCAAE3-US 700W ATX 12V v2.3 Active PFC Power Supply.

My budget is anywher too 300 prefferabbly less so i can have more money to spend on games.

at first i wish to only have a single card, but overtime ill probably run two or three cards.

nvidia gtx 560 ti, get one now, sli later.
amd's 6950, same.
or wait till q3 2012, build a new system with the new pcie 3 cards.
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November 20, 2011 2:43:02 AM

alright here is a reccomendation.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
great card alot of power. be advised though the newer version of this card is coming out in a few weeks but it will likely cost 300 or so.also your power supply should be able to handle two of these bad boys in SLI. you can also try this card but its 350$. with this card you probably wont have to add second one for a long time. should run all your games on high settings. here it is
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 20, 2011 2:44:29 AM

I would suggest a 560ti (under $250). Best you could get for $300 is 2 GTX460's in SLI, but your power supply can't support that ( you need 4 pci-e connectors).
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November 20, 2011 2:44:34 AM

ill probably go with the 6950, but when is the realease of the new cards and do you by chance know the price range?
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November 20, 2011 2:46:33 AM

de5_Roy said:
nvidia gtx 560 ti, get one now, sli later.
amd's 6950, same.
or wait till q3 2012, build a new system with the new pcie 3 cards.

i wouldnt reccomend the 6950 unless you get the 1GB version. 2 Gb is more than enough for any 1080p single monitor setup. also the 6950 is a really long card and you may have trouble fitting it into a midtower case if you have one
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November 20, 2011 2:46:56 AM

theitaliansico said:
alright here is a reccomendation.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
great card alot of power. be advised though the newer version of this card is coming out in a few weeks but it will likely cost 300 or so.also your power supply should be able to handle two of these bad boys in SLI. you can also try this card but its 350$. with this card you probably wont have to add second one for a long time. should run all your games on high settings. here it is
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


That card is the best thing he can get for under $300 but he can't run 2 cards because their aren't enough PCI-E connectors. You need 2 per card and his PSU only has 2.
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November 20, 2011 2:47:21 AM

the gtx 560 looks great italinsico but isnt the radeon hd 6950 a better card, the benchmarks seem to be higher.. ?
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November 20, 2011 2:47:24 AM

xdmds said:
I would suggest a 560ti (under $250). Best you could get for $300 is 2 GTX460's in SLI, but your power supply can't support that ( you need 4 pci-e connectors).

theres always molex adapters :) 
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November 20, 2011 2:48:21 AM

xdmds said:
That card is the best thing he can get for under $300 but he can't run 2 cards because their aren't enough PCI-E connectors. You need 2 per card and his PSU only has 2.

molex adapters???
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November 20, 2011 2:49:27 AM

oh hah ur posting before i even finished my last one,,, my case will be able to hold it with room to spare, its very large, custom built. but i am planning on getting a better monitor around christmas so i will be able to play on 2650x1600 after december
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November 20, 2011 2:51:00 AM

Illest said:
the gtx 560 looks great italinsico but isnt the radeon hd 6950 a better card, the benchmarks seem to be higher.. ?

here is a comparison of the two cards. keep in mind the 6950 is closer to 300 and he needs at least 60 bucks to buy skyrim. Here is a comparision of the two.
http://www.hwcompare.com/8889/geforce-gtx-560-ti-vs-rad...
im sort of an nvidia fan boy though :lol: 
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November 20, 2011 2:53:15 AM

Illest said:
sorry,
my screens max resolution is 1900x1080p

my power supply is a: COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS700-PCAAE3-US 700W ATX 12V v2.3 Active PFC Power Supply.

My budget is anywher too 300 prefferabbly less so i can have more money to spend on games.

at first i wish to only have a single card, but overtime ill probably run two or three cards.

no way you will run 3 card on that psu youll
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November 20, 2011 2:54:33 AM

i wouldnt bring in the cost of skyrim as a problem, no matter which way i go ill get it, that was just a preffered budget not neccesarivly my max
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November 20, 2011 2:56:13 AM

Illest said:
i wouldnt bring in the cost of skyrim as a problem, no matter which way i go ill get it, that was just a preffered budget not neccesarivly my max

then go with gtX 570. you should be able to SLi witht the pwoer supply i just reccomended. not the one you have
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November 20, 2011 2:56:15 AM

oh well i can get a different power supply, like i said i havent bought anything yet. im doing product research baisically as you guys are informing me on this thread haha... sorry im not a pro at computers
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November 20, 2011 2:58:11 AM

Illest said:
oh well i can get a different power supply, like i said i havent bought anything yet. im doing product research baisically as you guys are informing me on this thread haha... sorry im not a pro at computers

look at the power supply i jsut reccomended its great for dual highend setups. two GT 570's in that badboy will be great! one for now will play all of your game on high
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November 20, 2011 3:00:25 AM

Illest said:
oh hah ur posting before i even finished my last one,,, my case will be able to hold it with room to spare, its very large, custom built. but i am planning on getting a better monitor around christmas so i will be able to play on 2650x1600 after december

if you're planning on playing at that res and your case and psu can handle them - dual 6950 with 2gb ddr5 vram would be good. the 2 gb vram will help you play at that resolution with aa turned up. but, you'd miss nvidia exclusive stuff such as physx, 3d, nvidia's tessallation, fxaa etc. nvidia has better driver support as well and suffers from less microstuttering in sli than amd cards do in cfx. but nvidia cards have less vram than amd's and usually consume more power on load such as gaming.
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November 20, 2011 3:00:42 AM

the gtx 570 was the first card i was looking at, but its 100 more than the hd6950 and dosnt the 6950 have a much higher texel rate, and a lower power consumption.
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November 20, 2011 3:02:14 AM

de5_Roy said:
if you're planning on playing at that res and your case and psu can handle them - dual 6950 with 2gb ddr5 vram would be good. the 2 gb vram will help you play at that resolution with aa turned up. but, you'd miss nvidia exclusive stuff such as physx, 3d, nvidia's tessallation, fxaa etc. nvidia has better driver support as well and suffers from less microstuttering in sli than amd cards do in cfx. but nvidia cards have less vram than amd's and usually consume more power on load such as gaming.

yeah the 2GB will be great for that res so if thats what your planning then go with 6970 or 6950. i would reccomend 6970 its one of amds best probably second best right now as far as gaming cards. i origannly thought you were playing 1920x1080 so 1gb was enough but for that res defintely at least 1500mb (1.5GB). you can also get the GTX 560 ti with 2Gb and the GTX 570 with 2.5 gb all depends on how much your willing to spend
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November 20, 2011 3:04:09 AM

de5_roy , sorry i am confused on what you said what exactly is "vram" and what do you mean by aa tuned up? sorry for my lack of knowledge hah
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November 20, 2011 3:09:05 AM

Illest said:
de5_roy , sorry i am confused on what you said what exactly is "vram" and what do you mean by aa tuned up? sorry for my lack of knowledge hah

Video RAM (VRAM) means in general all forms of random access memory (RAM) used to store image data for a computer display
AA stands for antialiasing which in a computer is the software technique for diminishing jaggies - stairstep-like lines that should be smooth
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November 20, 2011 3:09:14 AM

imo right now is not the best time to build a new system. the hardwares are going to come out in a few months that promise better performance and efficiency.
upcoming stuff:
cpus - ivy bridge, pile driver, trinity apu
gfx - amd's radeon hd 7xxx, nvidia's 6xx , pcie 3.0
intel's z79, 78, h7x chipsets that support usb 3.0, pcie 3.0, more sata iii etc
7xxx is slated to come out in december - mobile version first, then desktop version to follow in january 2012. nvidia's will be out a bit later. ivb is supposed to be released in march-april 2012.
what are your current system specs? if they're adequate and you can be patient, i say wait a bit, see how things play out then decide.
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November 20, 2011 3:10:20 AM

would the difference in playability be worth the extra $100 between the 6950 and 6970? though and the gtx 560 ti 2gb its almost the same price as the 6950 but wouldnt the 6950 be the better quality with the setup?
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November 20, 2011 3:10:25 AM

de5_Roy said:
imo right now is not the best time to build a new system. the hardwares are going to come out in a few months that promise better performance and efficiency.
upcoming stuff:
cpus - ivy bridge, pile driver, trinity apu
gfx - amd's radeon hd 7xxx, nvidia's 6xx , pcie 3.0
intel's z79, 78, h7x chipsets that support usb 3.0, pcie 3.0, more sata iii etc
7xxx is slated to come out in december - mobile version first, then desktop version to follow in january 2012. nvidia's will be out a bit later. ivb is supposed to be released in march-april 2012.
what are your current system specs? if they're adequate and you can be patient, i say wait a bit, see how things play out then decide.

plus SSD's are gonna get cheaper. I would wait at least 3-4 months and build a system then.
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November 20, 2011 3:11:47 AM

Illest said:
would the difference in playability be worth the extra $100 between the 6950 and 6970? though and the gtx 560 ti 2gb its almost the same price as the 6950 but wouldnt the 6950 be the better quality with the setup?

yes because the 6950 has special technology for high resoultion gaming and multidisplay setups so yes. Its worth it to get a 6970 in my opinion
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November 20, 2011 3:12:59 AM

Illest said:
de5_roy , sorry i am confused on what you said what exactly is "vram" and what do you mean by aa tuned up? sorry for my lack of knowledge hah

no prob, i am not that knowledgable either :) 
vram is video ram - the kind of memory the gpu (gfx chip) accesses to store video related data like textures etc.
gddr5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR5
anti aliasing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_aliasing
both articles are quite in-depth and will give you the info you need.
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November 20, 2011 3:13:50 AM

here is a comparison of the 6950 to 6970 you see about a 10-20 fps difference betweent the two cards. 6970 you may have trouble crossfiring i heard AMD crossifre isnt nearly as great as SLI for gaming
http://www.hwcompare.com/6326/radeon-hd-6950-2gb-vs-rad...
IN addition 4gb of VRAM is meant for like 3 monitors not one single monitor even if its at 2650x1600
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November 20, 2011 3:14:57 AM

de5_roy thats just it i currently dont have a gaming pc i gues i can hold out with xbox360 until then but would those new software really make a difference on the curent game playability, i know that they will exceed the requirments for current games and for future games but would the build with parts now still be able to meet those requirements?
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November 20, 2011 3:17:09 AM

Illest said:
would the difference in playability be worth the extra $100 between the 6950 and 6970? though and the gtx 560 ti 2gb its almost the same price as the 6950 but wouldnt the 6950 be the better quality with the setup?

this is the best gfx card for money article of november
the review of each card is linked, the last page has prices and a hierarchy chart describing their standings.
you should google gtx 560 ti 2gb reviews and see if that card handles 1600p gaming well.
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November 20, 2011 3:20:11 AM

theitaliansico said:
here is a comparison of the 6950 to 6970 you see about a 10-20 fps difference betweent the two cards. 6970 you may have trouble crossfiring i heard AMD crossifre isnt nearly as great as SLI for gaming
http://www.hwcompare.com/6326/radeon-hd-6950-2gb-vs-rad...
IN addition 4gb of VRAM is meant for like 3 monitors not one single monitor even if its at 2650x1600

um.. what do you mean by 4gb vram? even if you cfx or sli 2x 2gb gfx cards your effective gfx memory is still 2 gb. the main advantage is using 2 gpus in tamdem to process video data. that's why for multi gfx setups to game at resolutions higher than 1080p, more vram is usually recommended.
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November 20, 2011 3:25:39 AM

de5_Roy said:
um.. what do you mean by 4gb vram? even if you cfx or sli 2x 2gb gfx cards your effective gfx memory is still 2 gb. the main advantage is using 2 gpus in tamdem to process video data. that's why for multi gfx setups to game at resolutions higher than 1080p, more vram is usually recommended.

really i always thouhgt on crossfire it adds them together sorry man
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November 20, 2011 3:26:43 AM

by waiting until the new setups come out though, how much of a price range difference do you expect there to be because the setups now are more within my combfortable budget.
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November 20, 2011 3:29:29 AM

Illest said:
de5_roy thats just it i currently dont have a gaming pc i gues i can hold out with xbox360 until then but would those new software really make a difference on the curent game playability, i know that they will exceed the requirments for current games and for future games but would the build with parts now still be able to meet those requirements?

almost all the major games have their own console port. their quality might be questionable but you still get to play the games. the pc platform does offer the ability to play at very high resolution, upgradability and tweaking. moreover, the consoles are approaching their limits while pc hardware has long surpassed console's capabilities.
when you upgrade to a new system you want to make sure it gives you the best performance for the money you spent. that's why i recommended wating for the new hardware.
no one can say that the new stuff will outperform the current stuff because there are no information available. the current ones such as sandy bridge, gtx 560 ti, 570, radeon hd 6870-6970 - they are older, more mature, driver optimized and have abundant performance data available.
otoh amd's fx cpus are new but amd kinda screwed up them and they underperform in gaming despite being new.
not everything will perform better just because it is new.
but, by the time new stuff comes out the current stuff will become a bit cheaper and if you do not like the new ones, hopefully you can buy the old ones (the current components) at a cheaper price.
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November 20, 2011 3:34:43 AM

true, unless they discontinue but im sure ill be able to find one though, by when i said i can hold out with xox 30 i didnt mean i was going to go purchase on i already have one, that wouldnt be smart to buy a console while saving for a pc haha. But also i was just under the assumption that the new products will be better, because thats generally what the companys would aim for isnt it? Who would purposley make a new product that isnt as good as the old one?
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November 20, 2011 3:43:59 AM

Illest said:
by waiting until the new setups come out though, how much of a price range difference do you expect there to be because the setups now are more within my combfortable budget.

right now available info is based on rumors and leaked slides. some sites report that new cards will launch at $300, mid range at $250 something. the prices would be similar to the one that current cards had at launch.
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November 20, 2011 3:47:25 AM

Illest said:
would the difference in playability be worth the extra $100 between the 6950 and 6970? though and the gtx 560 ti 2gb its almost the same price as the 6950 but wouldnt the 6950 be the better quality with the setup?


You decide:

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

$ 240.00 6950 Frozr OC (484/759) $ 0.50 - $ 0.63
$ 320.00 6970 (526/825) $ 0.61 - $ 0.78
$ 215.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.43 - $ 0.50
$ 340.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.65 - $ 0.78

The factory OC'd 6950 gets 484 fps to the 560's 495 so call it a draw, well except it costs $25 more.....the 6970 gets 525 fps, a 6% increase in speed for a whopping 58% increase in price....not a very good ROI in my opinion.

However, if two cards in your future, the $430 twin 560 Ti's outperform the twin 6950's by over 100 fps and even outperform the $680 6970's.

However,there's a new hybrid 560/570 coming out in 9 days which reportedly will sell for the same price as the old 560 Ti

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/21520/nvidia_s_geforce_gt...

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November 20, 2011 3:56:49 AM

oh sweet ill look into that fore sure but for now im mostlikley going to go with the 6950 oc'd version and later if i have to ill make a switch
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November 20, 2011 4:00:29 AM

Illest said:
true, unless they discontinue but im sure ill be able to find one though, by when i said i can hold out with xox 30 i didnt mean i was going to go purchase on i already have one, that wouldnt be smart to buy a console while saving for a pc haha. But also i was just under the assumption that the new products will be better, because thats generally what the companys would aim for isnt it? Who would purposley make a new product that isnt as good as the old one?

i meant that you can still play new games on your current console while you wait for the new gfx cards and other components.
new products are promised by their manufacturers to be better, but that is not always the case. amd's fx was hyped to be the best cpu at everything - in reality it underperformed quite a lot. especially for gaming.
no one makes an inferior product on purpose. but companies are known to market stripped down versions of their flagship products at a lower price.

@JackNaylorPE: i didn't know that the new card was going to be a 560/570 hybrid, i thought it was something like a 565 ti or something. thanks for the info and the link. :) 
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