Lack of sharpness with Canon

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"Alan McGrath" <alanm@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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> Why Canon insist on their approach defeats me, I would have thought it was
> up to the camera owner to determine what they wanted.
Helps hide the lack of consistency and quality in their lenses.
>
> Does anyone know of a series of settings that would make the G6 capable of
> producing sharp photos ex camera?
trade it in on an olympus or nikon.
>
> Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
> Alan
>
>

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"Alan McGrath" <alanm@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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>I have owned several Canon cameras and have always been disappointed with
>their lack of sharpness "out of camera". I have recently bought an
>Olympus D580, I also have a Canon Powershot G6, and I find the Olympus
>shots are much sharper that the Canon on the same subject with the same
>lighting. I realise that the difference is due to Canon's less aggressive
>"in camera" processing but what I want is a camera that will give me sharp
>photos "ex-camera" without any post processing in the computer before
>printing.
>
> Why Canon insist on their approach defeats me, I would have thought it was
> up to the camera owner to determine what they wanted.
>
> Does anyone know of a series of settings that would make the G6 capable of
> producing sharp photos ex camera?
>
> Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
> Alan
>
>

Hi there.

You have answered your own question.

"I would have thought it was up to the camera owner to determine what they
wanted."

That is exactly what Canon are doing, and Olympus are not doing.

You decide how much sharpening is applied afterwards in Canon. Olympus
decide how much sharpening is applied in Camera, you have no control.

Roy G

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>That is exactly what Canon are doing, and Olympus are not doing.

That's an unjustified generalisation. In fact I would suggest exactly
the reverse if you want to be picky and compare *like* cameras within
brands.

The D580 is a $160 camera so of course it's not going to have lots of
adjustments, and will be aimed at a *completely different audience* to
the G6, at $700ish.

In a more direct comparison, the Canon G6 has -, 0 and + settings for
sharpness - that's 3 (THREE) settings. A similarly priced and specced
Olympus camera (C-7000) has settings from -5 to +5. How many is that?
11. That would be...ELEVEN.

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<chrlz@go.com> wrote in message
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> >That is exactly what Canon are doing, and Olympus are not doing.
>
> That's an unjustified generalisation. In fact I would suggest exactly
> the reverse if you want to be picky and compare *like* cameras within
> brands.
>
> The D580 is a $160 camera so of course it's not going to have lots of
> adjustments, and will be aimed at a *completely different audience* to
> the G6, at $700ish.
>
> In a more direct comparison, the Canon G6 has -, 0 and + settings for
> sharpness - that's 3 (THREE) settings. A similarly priced and specced
> Olympus camera (C-7000) has settings from -5 to +5. How many is that?
> 11. That would be...ELEVEN.
>


Help.

Don't get at me.

I do not use Canon or Olympus, and I certainly don't use in Camera
Sharpening, nor do I know or care which of those Cameras is the more
expensive.

The OP said Canon should allow the user to choose.

He did not say he had chosen to use a high level of "Sharpening" in his Oly,
but could not select as high a level of sharpening in his Canon.

If he had said that I would not have bothered to answer his post.

Sharpening should be the very last stage in any post processing that is
going to be done, so that should rule out using "In Camera" sharpening, if
image quality is important.

Roy G

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"Alan McGrath" <alanm@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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>I have owned several Canon cameras and have always been disappointed with
>their lack of sharpness "out of camera". I have recently bought an
>Olympus D580, I also have a Canon Powershot G6, and I find the Olympus
>shots are much sharper that the Canon on the same subject with the same
>lighting. I realise that the difference is due to Canon's less aggressive
>"in camera" processing but what I want is a camera that will give me sharp
>photos "ex-camera" without any post processing in the computer before
>printing.
>
> Why Canon insist on their approach defeats me, I would have thought it was
> up to the camera owner to determine what they wanted.
>
> Does anyone know of a series of settings that would make the G6 capable of
> producing sharp photos ex camera?
>
> Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
> Alan
>
I mostly agree. I was looking at a 4 mp A85 to replace my 3 mp Fuji 6800z.
At the camera store, The salesman allowed me to use my CF card in the A85 to
do comparison shots to take home and compare. The 3mp 6800z blew the 4mp
Canon away. I could not recover by sharpening. There was not enough detail
in the image to bring it close to the 6800z. I tried using a smaller
aperture. I did not notice much of an improvement. Later, I decided on the
Finpix A330 (cheapo compact). Its image quality outsines the 6800z!

I'm not picking on Canon. I have one of their DSLRs. Their DSLRs produce the
finest quality images I've seen. Their compacts need work.
John

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"JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote in message
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> "Alan McGrath" <alanm@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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>>I have owned several Canon cameras and have always been disappointed with
>>their lack of sharpness "out of camera". I have recently bought an
>>Olympus D580, I also have a Canon Powershot G6, and I find the Olympus
>>shots are much sharper that the Canon on the same subject with the same
>>lighting. I realise that the difference is due to Canon's less
>>aggressive "in camera" processing but what I want is a camera that will
>>give me sharp photos "ex-camera" without any post processing in the
>>computer before printing.
>>
>> Why Canon insist on their approach defeats me, I would have thought it
>> was up to the camera owner to determine what they wanted.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a series of settings that would make the G6 capable
>> of producing sharp photos ex camera?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>
>> Alan
>>
> I mostly agree. I was looking at a 4 mp A85 to replace my 3 mp Fuji 6800z.
> At the camera store, The salesman allowed me to use my CF card in the A85
> to do comparison shots to take home and compare. The 3mp 6800z blew the
> 4mp Canon away. I could not recover by sharpening. There was not enough
> detail in the image to bring it close to the 6800z. I tried using a
> smaller aperture. I did not notice much of an improvement. Later, I
> decided on the Finpix A330 (cheapo compact). Its image quality outsines
> the 6800z!
>
> I'm not picking on Canon. I have one of their DSLRs. Their DSLRs produce
> the finest quality images I've seen. Their compacts need work.
> John
>
I have however seen output from an HP, one of the inexpensive models. In
order to make the picture look good in at least "default mode," the picture
out of the camera had excessive sharpening - you could actually blow the
image up a little in Irfanview and see the artifacts. That's why I like
option of "digital darkroom" post-camera. You can control it yourself. I
know there are preference of others, stated well by the original poster. I
respect what he said and why he said it, but there are drawbacks if one
isn't careful.

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Is the Nikon 6MP camera as sharp as the Canon 8MP since Nikons filter over
the image chip is less aggressive.



"Churchill, Dave" <david_j_churchill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote in message
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>> "Alan McGrath" <alanm@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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>>>I have owned several Canon cameras and have always been disappointed with
>>>their lack of sharpness "out of camera". I have recently bought an
>>>Olympus D580, I also have a Canon Powershot G6, and I find the Olympus
>>>shots are much sharper that the Canon on the same subject with the same
>>>lighting. I realise that the difference is due to Canon's less
>>>aggressive "in camera" processing but what I want is a camera that will
>>>give me sharp photos "ex-camera" without any post processing in the
>>>computer before printing.
>>>
>>> Why Canon insist on their approach defeats me, I would have thought it
>>> was up to the camera owner to determine what they wanted.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a series of settings that would make the G6 capable
>>> of producing sharp photos ex camera?
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>> I mostly agree. I was looking at a 4 mp A85 to replace my 3 mp Fuji
>> 6800z. At the camera store, The salesman allowed me to use my CF card in
>> the A85 to do comparison shots to take home and compare. The 3mp 6800z
>> blew the 4mp Canon away. I could not recover by sharpening. There was not
>> enough detail in the image to bring it close to the 6800z. I tried using
>> a smaller aperture. I did not notice much of an improvement. Later, I
>> decided on the Finpix A330 (cheapo compact). Its image quality outsines
>> the 6800z!
>>
>> I'm not picking on Canon. I have one of their DSLRs. Their DSLRs produce
>> the finest quality images I've seen. Their compacts need work.
>> John
>>
> I have however seen output from an HP, one of the inexpensive models. In
> order to make the picture look good in at least "default mode," the
> picture out of the camera had excessive sharpening - you could actually
> blow the image up a little in Irfanview and see the artifacts. That's why
> I like option of "digital darkroom" post-camera. You can control it
> yourself. I know there are preference of others, stated well by the
> original poster. I respect what he said and why he said it, but there are
> drawbacks if one isn't careful.
>

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Thank you for your comments.

You seem to have missed the point I was trying to make. I WANT a camera
that will give me sharp photos ex camera without having to do any post
camera processing. When I used film I was able to select the type of film
I used as the occasion demended. If I wanted high speed I loaded a high
speed film, if I wanted sharp detail I loaded a film I knew would produce
what I was after, in digital Canon force me to do post camera processing
which I don't want to do. I believe they should have a firmware patch that
would convert their cameras to be capable of producing sharp photos ex
camera.

Maybe someone can come up with a suitable patch!

Thanks again for your input.

Alan

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"Alan McGrath" <alanm@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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> I have recently bought an Olympus
> D580, I also have a Canon Powershot G6, and I find the Olympus shots are
> much sharper that the Canon on the same subject with the same lighting. I
....
> Does anyone know of a series of settings that would make the G6 capable of
> producing sharp photos ex camera?
....

Alan:

Forgive if this was obvious, but what sharpness setting are you using with the
G6 and the D580? Have you set the G6 sharpness to its maximum?


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