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November 20, 2011 7:03:24 PM

I know the GTX 560 Ti 448 is coming up in a couple of days, I'd like to know what you guys think is my best move atm as I'd like to updrage my current GPU.

Current GPU/PSU/Monitor
Sapphire 5850
CORSAIR TX750 V2 750W
24inch Asus 1900x1080

Other parts
Intel Core i5-2500K
ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB
Crucial M4 128gb SSD

So here are my current options

1 - Wait for the GTX 560 Ti 448 and buy it
2 - Keep my 5850 and upgrade when 7000 series come out
3 - Try to find another 5850 for CX (would probably have to get it from ebay which might be risky!)
4 - Get a 560 Ti or 6950 1gb now


So what do you guys think?

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November 20, 2011 7:18:56 PM

u allready have a beast of a graphics card... if u want to upgrade now i suggest u get a 6970 cause gtx 560 ti wont give u much of a performance boost over the 5850... but i guess u should wait to see what the 7xxx radeon carrds brings to the table.
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November 20, 2011 7:26:59 PM

I went from a 1gig 5850 to a 2gig 6950 and it was a good improvement in game playability,(1920x1200). If you can wait for the 7k series ( Feb. ? ) it may be worth it.
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November 20, 2011 7:34:09 PM

@geofelt
A GTX 560ti or HD 6950 is a nice jump from HD 5850 ? you think so ?
@OP, answers for your Options:-
1- The upgraded GTX 560ti is said to be performing such as a GTX 570, so we're talking here here about 23% performance increase.
2- The mid range HD 7K series (78xx) were reported to come this Xmas, but you'll not experience a much performance increase from the current HD 69xx series except for the power consumption and the heat issues as they use the 28nm process.
The High end HD 79xx series is equipped with the XDR2 Rambus memory which is twice faster than GDDR5, besides the 1 GHz GPU frequency, 28nm process, a High end HD 7950 is said to be performing close to/better than HD 6990.
But they will be pushed to Q1 2012 to compete with nVidia's high end GPUs.
3- As you said, it will be risky, heat and power consumption will be a serious problem, Also the CF scaling of HD 6k series is better than HD 5K series.
4- My personal advice is to wait a little bit for the new HD 7K series and grab a high end one, your Current HD 5850 is doing good in most situations.
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November 20, 2011 7:40:53 PM

@ilysami
re: @geofelt
A GTX 560ti or HD 6950 is a nice jump from HD 5850 ? you think so ?

On tom's graphics hierarchy chart, the GTX560ti is about 4 tiers higher than a 5850.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-ca...

My mistake, I was looking at the mobile 5850.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
November 20, 2011 7:45:48 PM

GTX 560ti is about 10-11% faster than the HD 5850, which i believe that a good OCing can achieve the same performance/close to the GTX 560ti.
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November 20, 2011 7:49:40 PM

I currently am using a 5850 myself, but I'm waiting for the 7000series. I m also playing on the same res as you and I get good frames for BF3, Skyrim on high. Unless you want to play best up-to-date games on ultra settings, it really isn't worth it to upgrade now.
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November 20, 2011 7:51:37 PM

ilysaml is right, I think you wait till 7000 series come.
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November 20, 2011 7:56:31 PM

At this point in time I would wait for the HD 7000 series as well. It should be out next month. This HD 5850 should stil be powerful enough to hold you over until then.
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November 20, 2011 7:59:41 PM

@geofelt
I guess Tom's chart was more related to price not performance.
Anyway, performance charts here, look at the difference between the GTX 560ti and the HD 5850, 4 FPS between the Twin Frozer and the HD 5850, 2 FPS difference between HD 5850 and the other model.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...
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November 20, 2011 8:23:53 PM

ilysaml said:
@geofelt
I guess Tom's chart was more related to price not performance.
Anyway, performance charts here, look at the difference between the GTX 560ti and the HD 5850, 4 FPS between the Twin Frozer and the HD 5850, 2 FPS difference between HD 5850 and the other model.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...


No, I think tom's is a general gaming performance indicator chart.

Looking at your link, the 5850 fares well vs. the GTX560ti. Only a 10% or so difference.
But, looking at the charts for some of the other games resolutions and settings, there are more disparate results.
Also, their tests include some non reference cards so that might make a difference also.
One would assume that all the benchmarks were made with powerful cpu's to eliminate that as a restriction.

In the end, if a gamer plays just one game, the benchmarks of that game can be used to select a card. Otherwise, different games favor amd/nvidia differently , so the best card is somewhat of a guess.

Regardless, It pays to get the strongest card one is willing to pay for, and don't look back.

Full disclosure... I erroneously was looking at the mobile 5850 in the chart.
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a c 105 U Graphics card
November 20, 2011 8:25:19 PM

A couple of things to think about. the first being the price of the 7k series. I read an article a few days ago ( in German ) that the cards are going to be very expensive.... if paying $700 or so for a 6990 equiv is okay with you... ???

another thing is the architecture of the cards. The 6k series is leaps over the 5k series. you need to stop looking at benchmarks that proclaim the only thing that matters are FPS. a 1gig 5850 blows in comparison to a 2gig 6950.

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a c 143 U Graphics card
November 20, 2011 8:30:20 PM

With all respect to your opinion, I wouldn't get the GTX 560ti for 10% increase while i can get another HD 5850 and increase 40-90% performance boost depending on the game.

When you say the "Strongest" you don't mean the GTX 560ti, do you ?
Generally, GTX 560ti Over the HD 5850 is not a good jump, No Argument Here.
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a c 266 U Graphics card
November 20, 2011 8:49:59 PM

There are no wrong answers here. The graphics card market is very competitive. You mostly get what you pay for.
That is likely to be true of the 7000 series, and kepler too.

The manufacturers will sell the cards for what the traffic will bear. So long as they cover their manufacturing costs,(and that is one benefit of 28nm to them) the higher the price, the better their profits. In time, that lower cost will lead to lower market prices, and we will get more for our money.

By strongest, I mean, buy the (best/strongest/most powerful/whatever) card your budget and conscience/wife will allow.
No doubt, there are diminishing returns as you get into higher performing cards. If money is of no concern, get the best. If you have a budget, stick to that budget.

As to cf, one has to be aware of microstuttering, particularly with lower powered cards. Here is a good article on that:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...
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a c 143 U Graphics card
November 20, 2011 8:57:05 PM

I'm aware of microstuttering, but unfortunately the majority don't know what it is or where it can be seen, and mix it with normal stuttering.

And for me, enabling VSync can help to prevent microstuttering by enforcing a fixed regular frame update rate no matter how quickly the next frame is or isn't ready the framerate will always be at 60.
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November 20, 2011 9:00:53 PM

ilysaml said:
With all respect to your opinion, I wouldn't get the GTX 560ti for 10% increase while i can get another HD 5850 and increase 40-90% performance boost depending on the game.

When you say the "Strongest" you don't mean the GTX 560ti, do you ?
Generally, GTX 560ti Over the HD 5850 is not a good jump, No Argument Here.


A jump to 560ti from a 5850 is 20% increase unless from now on we see only alien vs predator benchies. source: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...
But I agree with ilysaml a 20% on performance upgrade is not worth it. Since 5850 is a nice card I suggest you should wait for southern islands or kepler gpus.
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November 20, 2011 9:17:13 PM
a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2011 9:25:53 PM

The 448 seems like it will be a good card. There is little disabled on the 570 to create the 448. I would wait a week/ 8 days and see how it does in reviews.
Somethng tells me it will totaly displace the 6950 (unless in CF) and the 570.

If the price really is the same as the regular 560ti. I can't see how anybody is going to buy anything but this card at least untill the high end 7 series comes out.
How powerfull could the 78XX series be ?
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November 20, 2011 9:36:48 PM

And there are no games that favor AMD?
1st of all.
Even on the links you gave there two of them they are more than 20%:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-review... = more than 20% increase. 47 vs 38.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-review... = more than 20% increase. 23 vs 19.

Also what I linked before is a result of all benchmarks that tom's hardware did on the same link you posted before. The only difference is that you posted only an AMD favored game Aliens vs predator. source: while I posted a mix of amd and nvidia favored games result made by tom's hardware...

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...
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November 20, 2011 10:01:05 PM

Wow thanks for the answers guys, really appreciated!! A friend of mine just offered to buy my 5850 so I think I'm going to get the upgraded 560Ti in a couple of days if the reviews are good.

I'd like to wait for the 7000 series but I'm not very patient and they probably are going to be expensive when they launch.

So what do you guys think?
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November 20, 2011 10:15:40 PM

donco said:
Wow thanks for the answers guys, really appreciated!! A friend of mine just offered to buy my 5850 so I think I'm going to get the upgraded 560Ti in a couple of days if the reviews are good.

I'd like to wait for the 7000 series but I'm not very patient and they probably are going to be expensive when they launch.

So what do you guys think?


I read the mobile 5850 tier, the GTX560ti is not a sufficiently large jump to be worth it.
Sorry for the mistake.

I think the 7000 cards will be essentially the same price performance as the old cards. Rumor is, that they will just be rebranded initially. AMD will make money on lower mfg costs with 28nm. The top end cards will probably be priced about the same as current cards, but deliver an increment more performance, running cooler and with less power.
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a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2011 10:16:13 PM

The first launch is going to be the 7850 and 7870 and a 7870 will likely be pretty awesome as was the 6870 (at launch).
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November 20, 2011 10:17:06 PM

spentshells said:
The 448 seems like it will be a good card. There is little disabled on the 570 to create the 448. I would wait a week/ 8 days and see how it does in reviews.
Somethng tells me it will totaly displace the 6950 (unless in CF) and the 570.

If the price really is the same as the regular 560ti. I can't see how anybody is going to buy anything but this card at least untill the high end 7 series comes out.
How powerfull could the 78XX series be ?


donco said:
Wow thanks for the answers guys, really appreciated!! A friend of mine just offered to buy my 5850 so I think I'm going to get the upgraded 560Ti in a couple of days if the reviews are good.

I'd like to wait for the 7000 series but I'm not very patient and they probably are going to be expensive when they launch.

So what do you guys think?


I am not really sure about the price but we can expect a major jump in performance. According to a lot of sites 28nm will give 45% better clock speeds plus double transistors. That might be something like more than 100% increase at both sides (AMD and Nvidia)
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November 20, 2011 10:23:07 PM

Quote:
The HD7870 (Thames XT) with its 1536 Steam Processor (Equivalent of HD6970) clocked at a higher 950Mhz Core clock, 32 ROP’s and 2GB 256-bit wide memory interface would replace the HD6870 (Barts XT) which had 1120 Stream Processors running at 900mhz. The HD7870 has a max TDP of 120W.

This is something that I found on some sites after a bit of research. I think that they should give it a few hundreds more clock speed, but I guess they are keeping it for the 7970.
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November 20, 2011 10:25:04 PM

Memnarchon said:
I am not really sure about the price but we can expect a major jump in performance. According to a lot of sites 28nm will give 45% better clock speeds plus double transistors. That might be something like more than 100% increase at both sides (AMD and Nvidia)


Wow any ETA on the 7870?

EDIT: seems like it should lunch in January
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November 20, 2011 11:42:57 PM

geofelt said:
@ilysami
re: @geofelt
A GTX 560ti or HD 6950 is a nice jump from HD 5850 ? you think so ?

On tom's graphics hierarchy chart, the GTX560ti is about 4 tiers higher than a 5850.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-ca...


Read carefully, you mistaken the mobile version of 5850. 560Ti only 1 tier above 5850 which is not a good upgrade.
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November 21, 2011 12:10:37 AM

we_san said:
Read carefully, you mistaken the mobile version of 5850. 560Ti only 1 tier above 5850 which is not a good upgrade.


DUH!! My mistake, that was exactly my mistake. Thanks for pointing it out.
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November 21, 2011 12:11:47 AM

Buying a 560ti isn't a bad decision, but it's only going to be a reasonable move for 2-3 months when we see some higher end hardware hit (or the middle-end cards that are rumored to be coming this quarter could change things enough to make you wish you'd waited). There is always something newer/better around the corner though. The beefier 560ti intro could very well be a good opportunity to cash out of your 5850 and see a fairly significant bump in performance.

As pointed out by another poster another 5850 (perhaps an XFX card w a transferrable warranty) would be a substantially bigger performance improvement for a much lower price.
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a c 266 U Graphics card
November 21, 2011 12:22:16 AM

As we_san pointed out, I read the tier for the mobile gpu, not the discrete gpu.
I have tried to edit my posts to correct my mistake. Apologies to all.

Now... Since the GTX560ti is not a large jump in capability over the 5850, I do not think it is a great thing to do. The OP will be disappointed with a minimal gain.

With some luck the new 28nm cards will have something as strong as the GTX580 which would be a meaningful jump.
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November 21, 2011 12:47:17 AM

Yeah I'm definately not going to buy a 560Ti, I'll wait for the 448 560Ti and see from there, I'll probably end up waiting for the 7k series anyways
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a c 143 U Graphics card
November 21, 2011 12:57:21 AM

@geofelt
Now you realize what iam saying ?
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a c 266 U Graphics card
November 21, 2011 1:02:06 AM

ilysaml said:
@geofelt
Now you realize what iam saying ?

OH YES! You were absolutely correct. My mistake was looking at the mobile 5850 line, and not the 5850 on the discrete line.
Thanks to we_san finding the problem. It seemed strange that we should see such different rankings, and I am glad that it was resolved.

I tried to edit my posts to correct the mistake and apologize for whatever problems it might have caused.

In the end, I think the OP found the proper action.
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November 21, 2011 1:35:50 AM

Thanks for everything guys!!
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December 1, 2011 5:28:24 AM

Well,the hd5870 si still faster than the gtx560ti!
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December 1, 2011 6:00:09 AM

donco said:
Wow thanks for the answers guys, really appreciated!! A friend of mine just offered to buy my 5850 so I think I'm going to get the upgraded 560Ti in a couple of days if the reviews are good.

I'd like to wait for the 7000 series but I'm not very patient and they probably are going to be expensive when they launch.

So what do you guys think?



I owned a 560ti. I wouldn't recommend one. and if you buy a new card get one with more than 1gig of vram. if you don't you're foolish. as far as the stated ram on the 7000 series........ still going to be DDR5 not anything new.
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