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January 20, 2012 4:19:54 PM

Hello,

I was hoping somebody could give me some feedback regarding a soon to be ordered/built rig to satisfy my needs for 3d rendering/animation and possibly some simulation. Spftware wise, I use Maya, Zbrush, Realflow, MAX, AfterEffects, ect. I think I have a pretty good idea of the parts (could always use some more knowledge though), I'm wondering if anybody has any knowledge regarding fitment of some of my components (specifically my linked mobo/cpu cooler/GPU having fitment issues.)

Anyhow, here's my setup so far.

Case: Corsair 600T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: Asus Maximus IV
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: I7 2600K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: PNY Quadro 2000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: Corsair 1050W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: 16gb G.Skill
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD: 128gb SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
with 1TB 7200RPM drive

I'm leaning towards the quadro card since I won't be playing games on the machine. If you have any suggestions, I'd be more than happy to hear them. Especially regarding mobo/GPU/SSD. I'm hoping to order this within the next week or 2.

Thanks for the help!

Edit: Here's the other info you all might request...


Approximate Purchase Date: Within a week

Budget Range: $2000-ish. Cheaper never hurt.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: 3D Animation/Rendering, Movies, Internet

Parts Not Required: keyboard, monitor, mouse, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: probably going to use Newegg as much as possible

Country: USA

Parts Preferences: Intel/Nvidia, open to suggestions

Overclocking: Absolutely. Hoping to get the 2600K up to 4.6 or so.

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: Dual 1920 x 1200

Additional Comments: Would like to eventually transition to full water cooling. Thanks for your help!

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January 20, 2012 5:17:42 PM

I think you're headed in the right direction. The Quadro should help with the rendering, and makes sense since you're not playing games.

The Asus ROG motherboard seems a bit pricey considering you're doing mostly work. Most mid to high end mobos should be able to do 4.6 on an i7. You're call, just my 2 cents.

I don't think you need 1000W unless you plan on running a second Quadro in there. You're just simply not using enough power to warrant that purchase.
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January 20, 2012 6:35:41 PM

Hey, a fellow Boiler eh? Always good to see (I graduated from Purdue in 2010). I'm trying to leave room for future upgrades with the case/PSU but I agree its overkill and will probably scale the PSU back to 7-800 watts for now.

My biggest concern is having the GPU and the Corsair H100 cooler fit on a mobo together. Anybody have mobo suggestions? Although, I have a feeling its probably going to come down to trial and hopefully few errors.

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January 20, 2012 6:47:08 PM

I agree with boiler, your video card only pulls 62W max so you could easily go down to a 650W power supply and still have plenty to spare. I'm not sold on the H100 cooling as Corsair has had a ton of problems with them. Just check their own forums http://forum.corsair.com/v3/forumdisplay.php?f=155 You don't need water cooling on that CPU anyhow. If you like Corsair products though maybe consider their A70 air cooler. I like the Scythe Mugen 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Your SSD looks solid.
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January 20, 2012 7:19:53 PM

Oh wow. I didn't realize people were having so many issues with the H100. Looks like I'll be finding an alternative route for cooling.

I don't have any real allegiance to Corsair, even though my build might suggest otherwise. I would like to to transition towards liquid cooling (sound being the main reason, but its something I've always wanted to play with) but wouldn't mind using air cooling for awhile.

Feedback from the Scythe Mugen 3 looks great, unless people don't plan for the size. I think it would work fine in my case though. Are there any other heatsinks somebody recommends looking at?

Thanks for your input!
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January 20, 2012 7:44:00 PM

Look into a server board with 2 xeon processors. Should give you 6 cores and 12 threads of processing power. You may have to drop the quadro and/or the SSD to keep in budget, but it would give you a lot of bang for your buck! If you can wait, the Sandy Bridge based Xeons should be out any day now, and will give you 8/16 on the core/thread count, but I dont have an aproximate release date (I thought they were going to come with the SB-E chips, but no luck yet).

Stay away from OCing as you need parallelism over raw core speed, and OCing may bring system instability. A small OC is fine, but you can do a small OC on a 2600 instead of the 2600K if you choose to stick with a 'civilian' mobo and a single processor.

The quadro card will be awesome for what you want to do, but I would sacrifice it for duel CPUs if came to a choice between the two. Also the new AMD CGN architecture is supposed to be better than CUDA for high end applications, so that is something to look into. Not to mention that the next gen nvidia cards are literally right at our doorstep, so it may not be bad to wait either way on that one.

The PSU is WAY overkill for your system. Once you finalize your build then use a PSU calculator to figure out the PSU size, and then add 50W to it "just to be sure". My guess is that a 500-550W would be fine for the build you posted. With power quality is more important than quantity.

16GB of ram is a great starting place, but going with a server board will allow for 24/48GB, or even a SB-E series CPU would let you hold 32+GB using 4GB sticks, and for what you are doing I would highly suggest something along those lines. A server board will support ECC as well, which is handy for those large project.

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$220 after rebate, duel CPUs, good sound card (you dont need it, but it is cheaper right now than the one without the sound card lol), and lots of connectivity and RAID capability

Processors: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2x$560= $1120

Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2x$114 = $228 for 24GB

Totals $1568, with $432 to spend on a case, power supply, good GPU (not a quadro on that budget though), HDD/SSD, DVD, and aftermarket coolers of your choice

Best of luck!
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January 20, 2012 7:45:39 PM

That graphics card is OOOLLLLD! You'd be better off buying a current gaming card with 2GB+ RAM for the same money.
And to all the haters, I know a gaming card isn't 'made' to do these types of programs well, but are you going to tell me that a 2 year old card will outperform a current 500 dollar gaming card in ANYTHING?
And lower that PSU to 700-800w. Also, you don't need such an expensive case. You can find cases for 80-100 dollars which are much smaller, and provide equal or better ventilation.
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January 21, 2012 11:06:21 AM

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Hey, a fellow Boiler eh? Always good to see (I graduated from Purdue in 2010).

Boiler up! I'm graduating this semester. Also applied to grad school here, so we'll see if I ever get out of West Lafayette ;) 


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I'm trying to leave room for future upgrades with the case/PSU but I agree its overkill and will probably scale the PSU back to 7-800 watts for now.

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I agree with boiler, your video card only pulls 62W max so you could easily go down to a 650W power supply and still have plenty to spare.

I actually didn't know that it draws that little power (verified on Nvidia's site), but that's significantly less than almost all gaming GPUs. Since you can afford it, I'd recommend sticking with Corsair HX series PSU (the lowest they make is a 750W) as they are top-of-the-line. No reason to drop down to a CX/TX series at lower quality (though, the Rev. 2 TX series is pretty good).


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My biggest concern is having the GPU and the Corsair H100 cooler fit on a mobo together. Anybody have mobo suggestions? Although, I have a feeling its probably going to come down to trial and hopefully few errors.
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Keep in mind that the Quadro 2000s are single slot GPUs. They're tiny compared to dual-slot gaming GPUs. Your cooler won't be an issue (the H100 is just a small block/pump assembly on the CPU - significantly smaller than an air cooler) as long as you have a place in your case to mount the double rad.


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Oh wow. I didn't realize people were having so many issues with the H100. Looks like I'll be finding an alternative route for cooling.

The Corsair CLCs are pretty good for what you get, but if you're looking to transition to real water, I'd stick with air or just start out with a kit. Read through the stickies in the liquid cooling section before getting started - we hope to see you over there soon ;) 

Also, I'm not sure if you can watercool a quadro. Might be an interesting project :) 

As for air CPU coolers, the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ is one of the best, and only for $20-30. I used one on my i5-2500K and my i7-930. I've seen some CPUs pushed well over 4.5 on them with push-pull fans (may cause a space issue with the RAM)


A SB-E setup might be worth looking into, but only if you're doing really heavy work. Otherwise the i7 should be perfect.



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That graphics card is OOOLLLLD! You'd be better off buying a current gaming card with 2GB+ RAM for the same money.
And to all the haters, I know a gaming card isn't 'made' to do these types of programs well, but are you going to tell me that a 2 year old card will outperform a current 500 dollar gaming card in ANYTHING?

Actually, yes it will outperform a comparable gaming card. The GTX series does not use OpenGL, which is actually a big deal. That allows for much better graphics acceleration, which is why the Quadro series is used what it's used for.
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January 26, 2012 1:41:27 AM

First of all, thanks for all the feedback and help.

After some discussion with come co-workers and IT employees I think I'm going to stay with the 2600K processor. I think 90% of the work I'm doing will be handled fine by the I7 and if I were to go the dual CPU route, I'd want to spend more money than I should.

As for the GPU, I'm going to make the move for the Quadro 2000. For my purposes, I think it's the best route. I'd love to say I can wait until the next generation, but I don't think that's going to happen.

Power supply has been switched to the HX750. H100 Cooler has been replaced by the 212+. Everything else is the same.

Does anybody think the Sound Blaster X-fi card is worth it? I don't mind spending the extra money since I usually always have music playing when working and would appreciate the increased sound quality. However, since the mobo already has integrated support for 8 channel audio and an optical out, I'm not sure if it's worth saving a couple CPU processes.

Again, thanks for your help!
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January 26, 2012 2:12:26 AM

A sound card really pays off if you're using high-quality headphones/speakers (especially 5.1). The built in audio is usually pretty good, but a true sound card provides better amplification and surround sound. If you're not sure one way or the other, you can always try out the onboard sound and see if it meets your need. If not, you can just plug in a sound card in between boot ups ;) 

Just FYI - you'll want to use the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Youtube installation video. The instructions are a bunch of crap with no pictures (unless they've changed).
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January 26, 2012 2:23:54 AM

Enough said Boiler. My Klipsch's will surely appreciate it. I'm probably going just get it from the start.

Thanks for the heads up about the 212+. I had read that in reviews as well.

Thanks again for the help, and hopefully I'll have some pictures soon. :) 
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January 26, 2012 2:24:17 AM

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January 26, 2012 2:29:54 AM

Klipsch? Then I'd definitely be investing in a dedicated card ;) 
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January 26, 2012 11:43:08 AM

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