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May 5, 2012 1:01:32 PM

Hey guy's. Basically I own a Dell Optiplex 390 Small Forn Factor machine, and are currently using the Intergrated Intel HD graphics. I want to upgrade, I see this nice card thats cheap. A ASUS Radeon 6570 and am thinking of buying it. here's the problem, ny machine has a poor PSU, 240W to be exact, and I dont know how much Power the card will need, but I'm gathering it'll be a little more than that, haha. Since my machines a small form factor, I'm limited in PSU's, I basically need help finding a PSU that will work with my PC. Thankyou.

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May 5, 2012 2:28:26 PM

You need a low profile card also. The regular size wont fit your pc's case. I dont think the 6570 comes in a low profile format
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a c 157 ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 1:30:53 AM

As long as you have a PCIex16 slot, the physical room, and the card is low-profile, it should be fine with the small PSU. The card doesn't need an external PCIe power cable; drawing all its power from the 75W PCIe buss. And the HD 6570 only draws a maximum of approx. 50W.
May 6, 2012 1:01:04 PM

clutchc said:
As long as you have a PCIex16 slot, the physical room, and the card is low-profile, it should be fine with the small PSU. The card doesn't need an external PCIe power cable; drawing all its power from the 75W PCIe buss. And the HD 6570 only draws a maximum of approx. 50W.

Alright mate, I sorta understood. If I attach some photo's of the machine will you be able to tell me whether it'd work? Like, it was a birthday present so I don't really want to go mess it up by not providing enough power..
I opened up the case, and checked for room and it seems there's enough room, this is my first ever graphics card. I also got told the card requires 400W, then got told that it probably wouldn't run it, but wouldn't risk it. I don't know what to do, please help!


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a b ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 1:56:08 PM

i went here:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=b...
it shows the options to configure your rig and saw you could "upgrade" the video to a HD 6450 which runs @ 30 watts where as the 6570 runs @ 50 watts.

i doubt 20 watts will be a deal breaker.

ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB Now: $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but in case you find out it can
GIGABYTE GV-R645D3-512I Radeon HD 6450 512MB $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(and dell charges $99 to put one in :non:  )
May 6, 2012 2:39:22 PM

Anonymous said:
i went here:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=b...
it shows the options to configure your rig and saw you could "upgrade" the video to a HD 6450 which runs @ 30 watts where as the 6570 runs @ 50 watts.

i doubt 20 watts will be a deal breaker.

ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB Now: $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but in case you find out it can
GIGABYTE GV-R645D3-512I Radeon HD 6450 512MB $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(and dell charges $99 to put one in :non:  )

Thankyou mate, so would you say I can run the 6570? They over exaggerate on the requirements aha! What would you say/do?
Anonymous
a b ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 2:50:32 PM

Oako123 said:
Thankyou mate, so would you say I can run the 6570? They over exaggerate on the requirements aha! What would you say/do?

lets do some math :) 

70% of that 240 watt PSU is 168 (i am using 70% to deal with low quality subjectively so not to stress it)

65 watts for your CPU, which it likely wont hit.
50 watts for you GPU
10 watts for a HD
5 watts for DVD/CD drive
8 watts for motherboard chipset
5 watts for RAM ( over estimated)
148 watts TOTAL, no stress :) 
a c 157 ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 3:10:18 PM

Oako123 said:
Alright mate, I sorta understood. If I attach some photo's of the machine will you be able to tell me whether it'd work? Like, it was a birthday present so I don't really want to go mess it up by not providing enough power..
I opened up the case, and checked for room and it seems there's enough room, this is my first ever graphics card. I also got told the card requires 400W, then got told that it probably wouldn't run it, but wouldn't risk it. I don't know what to do, please help!
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/20120506131223.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/20120506131304.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/20120506135116.jpg/

Looking at your pics, I don't see any problem physically using a low-profile ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP). (Other than a snug fit) I don't see any power issues either. The low-profile low power cards like that one were made for those kind of machines. If you need further assurance, here's a PSU calculator you can use:
http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/
You're not going to 'fry' anything by using too much card, anyway. The system would simply shut down or reboot. But you won't have any problem. I do have one caveat, however. In that small case with limited air flow, I would prefer a card with a fan rather than one with passive cooling.

I say, go for it. It should be a good little card for gaming @ 1680x1050 and lower with most of the 'eye candy' turned on.
May 6, 2012 3:31:58 PM

clutchc said:
Looking at your pics, I don't see any problem physically using a low-profile ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP). (Other than a snug fit) I don't see any power issues either. The low-profile low power cards like that one were made for those kind of machines. If you need further assurance, here's a PSU calculator you can use:
http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/
You're not going to 'fry' anything by using too much card, anyway. The system would simply shut down or reboot. But you won't have any problem. I do have one caveat, however. In that small case with limited air flow, I would prefer a card with a fan rather than one with passive cooling.

I say, go for it. It should be a good little card for gaming @ 1680x1050 and lower with most of the 'eye candy' turned on.

Thankyou very, very much mate. You've helped me make up my mind very easily, I'll be ordering one very soon! Thankyou to the other guy as well, both of your help is extremely appreciated!x
a b ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 3:43:43 PM

The pictures of the low profile cards normally show them in normal mode. Make sure the card you buy comes with the 2 short low profile adapters, what you will do is unscrew the standoffs that hold the PCI-E plate on and install the shorter one. Then there is a second plate that the VGA output screws into. This will go into the slot next to the one used by the card. I put a couple pictures of what I mean below. This what it will look like head-on before you install the low profile brackets



This is what it will look like after you install them.



side view




As you can see the VGA is on a flexable cable to allow it to fit next to the card.

its a pretty easy upgrade. you will be blown away at the improvements you will see.


Also this Card is about to be a Newegg.com shell shocker deal I would check it out today.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... HD 6570 with 2GB DR3 RAM its normally $84.99 (If your outside the US this won't help)

a c 157 ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 3:44:00 PM

Oako123 said:
Thankyou very, very much mate. You've helped me make up my mind very easily, I'll be ordering one very soon! Thankyou to the other guy as well, both of your help is extremely appreciated!x

One correction on my part: I originally thought that card had passive cooling. Looking closer, I see I was wrong. It does have a fan... My bad. You're good to go.
a c 157 ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 3:50:42 PM

As to the recommendation above, if you have a modern monitor with DVI or HDMI... leave the VGA connector off. No sense adding more air restriction than necessary in that small case.
a b ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 3:52:48 PM

clutchc said:
As to the recommendation above, if you have a modern monitor with DVI or HDMI... leave the VGA connector off. No sense adding more air restriction than necessary in that small case.


Good idea, the ports are all blocked by default by the factory. more airflow is better.
Anonymous
a b ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 4:55:38 PM

if you have an open slot next to it, your gold. huge heatsink! :o 
a b ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 4:56:12 PM

Oako123 said:
I'm thinking of getting this card lads, does this look alright and will it fit? I don't want to buy it, and then for it to not fit:( 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-Radeon-HD-6570-PCI-Express...



Looks good.

One thing about Asus Cards, Dont be alarmed if the fan gets real loud right when you start the computer for a few seconds. its a reverse fan mode that blows the dust off the card. (very nice feature)

My buddy thought something was wrong with his. XD
a c 157 ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 4:56:49 PM

Oako123 said:
I'm thinking of getting this card lads, does this look alright and will it fit? I don't want to buy it, and then for it to not fit:( 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-Radeon-HD-6570-PCI-Express...

Yes, that is the card we've (you've) been talking about. Should fit fine and give good frame rates at medium settings. Btw, What is the resolution of your monitor?
Here's something you may be interested in watching... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r1LRYzXNGo
a c 157 ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 4:59:14 PM

Anonymous said:
if you have an open slot next to it, your gold. huge heatsink! :o 

Its heat sync is deceiving. It isn't all that wide. Check out the pic of it end-on at Newegg's site: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Barely wider than the slot cover.
May 6, 2012 5:07:53 PM

clutchc said:
Its heat sync is deceiving. It isn't all that wide. Check out the pic of it end-on at Newegg's site: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Barely wider than the slot cover.

So guy's, I measure the height of my machine (landscape view) and it come in at about 3.6/7 inches. The whole card itself is 4.6 inches, yet that's with the low profile bracket not added, so with the DVI slot, HDMI slot and the PCI slot all together, minus the PCI slot when the bracket's on, that should be like, what, taking off an extra inch and a half?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
May 6, 2012 5:09:27 PM

clutchc said:
Yes, that is the card we've (you've) been talking about. Should fit fine and give good frame rates at medium settings. Btw, What is the resolution of your monitor?
Here's something you may be interested in watching... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r1LRYzXNGo

Oh, I'm not using a monitor, I'm using my 32" TV and connected it via HDMI so yeah, I can always run it on a smaller resolution anyway.
Anonymous
a b ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 5:14:39 PM

clutchc said:
Its heat sync is deceiving. It isn't all that wide. Check out the pic of it end-on at Newegg's site: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Barely wider than the slot cover.

ah! thanks i didn't use the image views on new egg until you said something.
a c 157 ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 5:16:22 PM

Oako123 said:
Oh, I'm not using a monitor, I'm using my 32" TV and connected it via HDMI so yeah, I can always run it on a smaller resolution anyway.

If it's a 720p HDTV, you should be in great shape. If it's a 1080p HDTV, you may have to back off on some of the settings to get smooth frame rates in demanding games. But it will be a MAJOR improvement over what you have now. Enjoy.
May 6, 2012 5:19:24 PM

clutchc said:
If it's a 720p HDTV, you should be in great shape. If it's a 1080p HDTV, you may have to back off on some of the settings to get smooth frame rates in demanding games. But it will be a MAJOR improvement over what you have now. Enjoy.

I measured the height of my machine (landscape view) and it come in at about 3.6/7 inches. The whole card itself is 4.6 inches, yet that's with the low profile bracket not added, so with the DVI slot, HDMI slot and the PCI slot all together, minus the PCI slot when the bracket's on, that should be like, what, taking off an extra inch and a half?
a c 157 ) Power supply
May 6, 2012 5:25:30 PM

Oako123 said:
I measured the height of my machine (landscape view) and it come in at about 3.6/7 inches. The whole card itself is 4.6 inches, yet that's with the low profile bracket not added, so with the DVI slot, HDMI slot and the PCI slot all together, minus the PCI slot when the bracket's on, that should be like, what, taking off an extra inch and a half?

I think you're over-worrying the situation. The lo-profile bracket will replace the full-height bracket. Unplug the VGA socket from the card's header and Leave off the add-on VGA bracket. The card will then fit nicely into the case. There are standards that case and card manufacturers abide by. It will fit fine.
May 6, 2012 5:30:40 PM

clutchc said:
I think you're over-worrying the situation. The lo-profile bracket will replace the full-height bracket. Unplug the VGA socket from the card's header and Leave off the add-on VGA bracket. The card will then fit nicely into the case. There are standards that case and card manufacturers abide by. It will fit fine.

Thankyou very much man, your a big help and you deserve a thumbs up!(a)
Cheers again man, thanks!
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