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January 23, 2012 3:23:04 AM



This is what i got so far. Just trying to get a few opinions, never built a computer before. Pretty much just trying to use it as a gaming computer.

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January 23, 2012 3:32:02 AM

Pretty good build. You might want a bit more ram and see if you can't fit an SSD into there. I can vouch for that case though, built computers for customers and it easy to work with and comes at a great price.
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January 23, 2012 3:36:11 AM

Yeah i eventually would like 12gb of ram, but figured 8gb would be enough for the time being. Is an SSD worth throwing in there does it really speed everything up? What size you recommend?
a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 3:42:52 AM

User experience will be poor in many respects.

5900 RPM hard drive is much slower than 7200 RPM drives are. I would strongly advise you use a 7200 RPM hard drive instead.

Motherboard is overkill.

XFX 650w would do better for the same price compared to the Corsair 650w.

The AMD RAM just hit the market and has a very short track record. I wouldn't buy it on that basis. It could be awesome or it could completely suck, but either way I wouldn't want to suggest you to be their test victim.

If you are going to use a 64 bit OS, almost all motherboards can handle RAM with the part number CT2KIT51264BA1339 and it has rock bottom failure rates. It is about as close to the ideal set of RAM as anything in existence.

If you have a 32 bit OS, you should stick with 2 x 2 GBs instead because that is all that will be recognized anyway.

Processor - I would rather see you get an i5-2500k and a Gigabyte 1155 motherboard to go with it instead of this processor/board. The FX series AMD processors were a flop in the marketplace, that is why there is almost never a time there is not a host of price reduction and combo deals that include them. It is the only way that sellers can offload their inventory.

Case - I would switch it out for an Antec 300 or HAF 912 instead. The bargain basement CM 430 won't do well at the main job of a case which is helping to increase the lifespawn of the parts inside it through adequate airflow and cooling. Both of the above entry level enthusiast cases are much better for systems that are going to include 6900 series cards

The XFX 6950 uses a dispersal fan which means most of the heat is going to stay in the case when it comes off the fins. The CM 430, iirc, has a top mount PSU which means all that heat has to get sucked into the PSU which will drastically decrease its lifespan.

Both of the above cases have bottom mount PSUs which means all that hot air from the video cards doesn't get sucked right into the PSU. This pretty much doubles its life expectancy.

If you are willing to spend maybe 10 - 20% more on the build you will have much better performance and life expectancy out of the system.
a c 276 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 3:49:27 AM

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Processor - I would rather see you get an i5-2500k and a Gigabyte 1155 motherboard to go with it instead of this processor/board. The FX series AMD processors were a flop in the marketplace, that is why there is almost never a time there is not a host of price reduction and combo deals that include them. It is the only way that sellers can offload their inventory.


I agree with this setup plus the FX still has the BIOS issues that need to be worked out, which is why it was considered a flop to begin with.

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The XFX 6950 uses a dispersal fan which means most of the heat is going to stay in the case when it comes off the fins. The CM 430, iirc, has a top mount PSU which means all that heat has to get sucked into the PSU which will drastically decrease its lifespan.


Yeah I hate top-mounted PSus for that reason.

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If you are going to use a 64 bit OS, almost all motherboards can handle RAM with the part number CT2KIT51264BA1339 and it has rock bottom failure rates. It is about as close to the ideal set of RAM as anything in existence.


Crucial is an excellent RAM and SSD maker, I'll second that suggestion.

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5900 RPM hard drive is much slower than 7200 RPM drives are. I would strongly advise you use a 7200 RPM hard drive instead.


SSD with secondary HD would be the best solution but if the OP doesn't have the budget they can always get the SSD later as an upgrade.

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Yeah i eventually would like 12gb of ram, but figured 8gb would be enough for the time being. Is an SSD worth throwing in there does it really speed everything up? What size you recommend?


Only triple channel systems (Intel X58) use 12GB of RAM. And those are on their way out anyways. For a dual channel system you will either get 8GB or 16GB in order to get the full functionality of it.
January 23, 2012 4:01:00 AM

Raiddinn said:
User experience will be poor in many respects.

5900 RPM hard drive is much slower than 7200 RPM drives are. I would strongly advise you use a 7200 RPM hard drive instead.

I will take a look at the 7200 ones

Motherboard is overkill.

XFX 650w would do better for the same price compared to the Corsair 650w.

The AMD RAM just hit the market and has a very short track record. I wouldn't buy it on that basis. It could be awesome or it could completely suck, but either way I wouldn't want to suggest you to be their test victim.

If you are going to use a 64 bit OS, almost all motherboards can handle RAM with the part number CT2KIT51264BA1339 and it has rock bottom failure rates. It is about as close to the ideal set of RAM as anything in existence.

which type of ram would you recommend?

If you have a 32 bit OS, you should stick with 2 x 2 GBs instead because that is all that will be recognized anyway.

Havent purchased the setup yet, still need to get a OS

Processor - I would rather see you get an i5-2500k and a Gigabyte 1155 motherboard to go with it instead of this processor/board. The FX series AMD processors were a flop in the marketplace, that is why there is almost never a time there is not a host of price reduction and combo deals that include them. It is the only way that sellers can offload their inventory.

How are the AMD Phantom II fx http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... any better? i was orginally going to get an i5-2500k but was told by a few people AMD preformed better. What motherboard would you reccomend to go with the i5-2500k if i were to go that route.

Case - I would switch it out for an Antec 300 or HAF 912 instead. The bargain basement CM 430 won't do well at the main job of a case which is helping to increase the lifespawn of the parts inside it through adequate airflow and cooling. Both of the above entry level enthusiast cases are much better for systems that are going to include 6900 series cards

Good to know, i mostly just like the look on that case. havent settled on it yet

The XFX 6950 uses a dispersal fan which means most of the heat is going to stay in the case when it comes off the fins. The CM 430, iirc, has a top mount PSU which means all that heat has to get sucked into the PSU which will drastically decrease its lifespan.

Both of the above cases have bottom mount PSUs which means all that hot air from the video cards doesn't get sucked right into the PSU. This pretty much doubles its life expectancy.

If you are willing to spend maybe 10 - 20% more on the build you will have much better performance and life expectancy out of the system.

January 23, 2012 4:03:00 AM

g-unit1111 said:
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Processor - I would rather see you get an i5-2500k and a Gigabyte 1155 motherboard to go with it instead of this processor/board. The FX series AMD processors were a flop in the marketplace, that is why there is almost never a time there is not a host of price reduction and combo deals that include them. It is the only way that sellers can offload their inventory.


I agree with this setup plus the FX still has the BIOS issues that need to be worked out, which is why it was considered a flop to begin with.

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The XFX 6950 uses a dispersal fan which means most of the heat is going to stay in the case when it comes off the fins. The CM 430, iirc, has a top mount PSU which means all that heat has to get sucked into the PSU which will drastically decrease its lifespan.


Yeah I hate top-mounted PSus for that reason.

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If you are going to use a 64 bit OS, almost all motherboards can handle RAM with the part number CT2KIT51264BA1339 and it has rock bottom failure rates. It is about as close to the ideal set of RAM as anything in existence.


Crucial is an excellent RAM and SSD maker, I'll second that suggestion.

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5900 RPM hard drive is much slower than 7200 RPM drives are. I would strongly advise you use a 7200 RPM hard drive instead.


SSD with secondary HD would be the best solution but if the OP doesn't have the budget they can always get the SSD later as an upgrade.

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Yeah i eventually would like 12gb of ram, but figured 8gb would be enough for the time being. Is an SSD worth throwing in there does it really speed everything up? What size you recommend?


Only triple channel systems (Intel X58) use 12GB of RAM. And those are on their way out anyways. For a dual channel system you will either get 8GB or 16GB in order to get the full functionality of it.


Thanks this is my first build ever so im still trying to figure everything out.
a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 4:11:51 AM

If I were you, I would not ever heed the advice of anyone who says that AMD processors are better than 2500ks ever again.

The FX-8150, the best thing AMD has, has to OC just to equal the 2500k. If you OC the 2500k, there is nothing that AMD has that will even come close.

I suggested a RAM part number in my response. The CT2KIT51264BA1339.

You cannot determine if this is the RAM you need at this point, though.

First the processor must be decided, then the motherboard, and only then the RAM. If you get an i5-2500k and a gigabyte 1155 I almost guarantee the part number I listed will be compatible with it, but I can only do the final check on that if I have a solid CPU and Motherboard selection.

If you have a computer with a legal copy of XP or Vista already, I would suggest that you get a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Upgrade CD.

If you are a student, you can get a really cheap copy of Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit full version through a special microsoft program or through your school.

Otherwise, you will need to get a Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Retail CD.
a c 276 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 4:14:38 AM

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How are the AMD Phantom II fx http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103913 any better? i was orginally going to get an i5-2500k but was told by a few people AMD preformed better. What motherboard would you reccomend to go with the i5-2500k if i were to go that route.


I don't know where you're getting that info from but that's totally incorrect. On just about every benchmark, any SB processor will far outperform any AMD CPU. Plus there is that huge BIOS issue with most AMD boards including the 970 and 990FX not supporting the CPUs out of the box, You have to have an older AMD CPU and then flash the BIOS in order to install the new chip.
January 23, 2012 4:29:51 AM

lol i was dead set with the intell i5 2500k but got convinced on another forum otherwise. Thats half the reason i posted on here is just to see what others thought before i bought anything. Im open to all recommendations for a motherboard to go with an intell and anything else i need. Im just trying to get the best bang for my buck. And keep it around the price range i got now.
a c 276 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 4:36:09 AM

neal0790 said:
lol i was dead set with the intell i5 2500k but got convinced on another forum otherwise. Thats half the reason i posted on here is just to see what others thought before i bought anything. Im open to all recommendations for a motherboard to go with an intell and anything else i need. Im just trying to get the best bang for my buck. And keep it around the price range i got now.


The 2500K will be a better bang-for-your-buck as it will give you fewer headaches than the AMD FX will. The FX - I'm not gonna say it's a total failure but it was a good experiment. If it didn't have those BIOS issues I think it could have been a viable competitor to SB and SB-E but the bad things with it far outweigh the good.
January 23, 2012 4:45:17 AM

For better use of a $900 budget, check my sig. $1000 build includes a $100 OS.
a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 5:06:03 AM

In order to make up for the increased cost for the processor, the motherboard should be scaled back some to balance the price out.

It is nice to have a $175 motherboard and all, but I think a regular $125 like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... would be fine and be more budget friendly.
January 23, 2012 5:26:57 AM

Raiddinn said:
In order to make up for the increased cost for the processor, the motherboard should be scaled back some to balance the price out.

It is nice to have a $175 motherboard and all, but I think a regular $125 like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... would be fine and be more budget friendly.


i dont really want to get to crazy with prices but im willing to go 50 bucks more on the motherboard if its really worth the 50 bucks to get the better one. If theres really not much of a difference then its not worth it. I just mainly want to get the most powerful gaming rig i can possibly for around 1k without having to upgrade it for a bit.
a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 5:49:59 AM

The one I chose is fine as long as everything else is either as I mentioned or what you originally mentioned for anything that I didn't mention.

In this case, I don't think it is necessary to pay the $50 more.
a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 6:02:36 AM

Asrock has a much shorter track record than the gigabyte brand and they aren't generally considered to be equal in quality, but if you go with Asrock you generally get more board for the same money.

In this case, you probably won't notice much of a difference, but purely on spec the Asrock is the better looking deal as long as you don't factor in intangible things.
a c 276 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 4:46:40 PM

Raiddinn said:
Asrock has a much shorter track record than the gigabyte brand and they aren't generally considered to be equal in quality, but if you go with Asrock you generally get more board for the same money.

In this case, you probably won't notice much of a difference, but purely on spec the Asrock is the better looking deal as long as you don't factor in intangible things.


IMO, Asrock's track record is where I have the hardest time recommending them. I'll recommend most of their boards in lower-end builds but if the OP is willing to pay for a quality board like the Gigabyte I recommended then that's where it would be worth it.
January 23, 2012 4:50:01 PM

Alright, i will take a look around at some of the gigabyte boards. Any other brand worth looking into? or you guys just reccomend the gigabytes the most?
January 23, 2012 5:00:35 PM

This is where im at not. Minus the motherboard, havent the hardest time choosing for some reason. This price isnt bad trying to keep it under 1k. Might just get a 500gb hard drive instead of the 1tb. Rather have a tb but it will save me 60 bucks. I could use on something else.
January 23, 2012 5:01:22 PM

Asus boards are top of the line, but they are probably the most expensive. EVGA boards are pretty good too, and EVGA has amazing customer service.
January 23, 2012 5:05:50 PM

Yea i noticed alot of the Asus boards had a good amount of positive reviews. Theres just alot of brands ive never heard of.
a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 5:49:53 PM

The two Tier 1 motherboard makers are Gigabyte and Asus.

Out of those two, Gigabyte boards generally have the lower failure rates.

That is why I generally suggest Gigabyte unless the Asus boards have a really good deal that doesn't apply to a Gigabyte board. That would skew the cost/benefit the other direction.

If you just ignore all the other makers, you would be fine.

If you feel too limited by just those two brands, Asrock, MSI, and Biostar are probably the next step down from there usually. EVGA might fit in here as well.
a c 276 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 5:55:18 PM

jeremyp1979 said:
Asus boards are top of the line, but they are probably the most expensive. EVGA boards are pretty good too, and EVGA has amazing customer service.


The problem is with EVGA boards is that I've heard that the Z68 and P67 boards they make have unusually high fail rates for the brand. I don't know if that's installation errors or not but I'd be really hesitant to recommend their boards. They make great video cards though.

Gigabyte and Asus are the best IMO, I've used a lot of both and have had no problems. Intel-branded boards are decent as well but they lack a lot of features for the prices they offer.

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got these 3 boards im looking at now, having touble deciding. Any real differences?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128502 - 129 - gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131773 - 132 - asus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128495 - 125 - gb


That last one is a mATX board which I wouldn't recommend in a full desktop system. If you don't want to pay the price for the UD3P I'd recommend the UD3H for a bit less: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 6:12:09 PM

I would suggest going with the one that says it has UEFI

ASUS P8Z68-V LE LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
a c 276 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 6:17:11 PM

Raiddinn said:
I would suggest going with the one that says it has UEFI

ASUS P8Z68-V LE LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS


The Gigabyte system doesn't necessarily use a true UEFI but the "TouchBIOS" program that's included is really easy to use and it gets the job done.
a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 6:47:22 PM

I guess TouchBIOS is fine too.

It would just be nice if they would put all their program stuff on the newegg webpages like a lot of other makers do (and IIRC they do on other models).

I like to know what I am getting based on what is shown on Newegg without having to go to other sites to look things up all the time.

If anything I would vote with my $ for that if nothing else.
January 23, 2012 6:58:11 PM

I know you guys said earlier the case i choose didnt have much ventilation. You know any that are similar to the one i was looking at? I really like the side window, it would be nice to see my build in action when im done. Plus im a big fan of the blue LED's.
a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2012 7:22:51 PM

I took a closer look at the CM Elite 430. Apparently it does have a bottom mount PSU. I must have been thinking of the 340 instead.

That being said, I am still not happy with the Elite 430, however, you can probably make it work well enough if you buy the optimal fans for it.

It has one fan included for the front and it ideally wants to have 5.

If you want to get this case because you like the window and the LEDs and all that then I would suggest you purchase 4x 120MM fans and 1x 140 MM fan.

You will need to remove the built in fan which will most likely require removing the hard drive racks. Then move it to somewhere else and put the 140 mm inbound in the front.

Then you need to have 120mm inbound from the side, 1x 120 mm outbound in the rear, and 2x 120mm outbound in the top.

If you setup in this way, the cooling system may be good enough while still letting you have the visual stuff you are looking for.
January 23, 2012 7:29:29 PM

In choosing a case, you just need to look at 3 things. Do you like the way it looks? Will your components fit? Does it have adequate airflow?

With the Antec you linked above, with 4 fans stock, I think the cooling will be fine, and unless you are getting some monstrous video card, should have no problems getting it built.
January 24, 2012 2:36:13 AM

So this is pretty much my final build ive decided on



Feel alot better with this one then the one i orginally had, but want to make sure i got everything right before i go ahead and buy it.
a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2012 12:54:53 PM

Looks fine to me.

Failure risk isn't as minimized as I would like, but it is still pretty low all things considered.
January 24, 2012 9:31:50 PM

Raiddinn said:
Looks fine to me.

Failure risk isn't as minimized as I would like, but it is still pretty low all things considered.


what in particular makes you say that?

Ive been looking at the 6970 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If i got a little more cash to spend would it be worth it to upgrade to the 6970 from the 6950? Im a big bf3 player on the ps3 and plan to pick it up on the pc along with starcaft 2 when i put it all together. I know those games are graphically straining on the card. Or would it be smarter in the long run just to pick up the 6950 now and maybe another one later on? My other question is if i made the jump would a 650watt power supply be enough? Thought i read it takes 50 more watts to use that card. Also read there pretty big and not 100% sure it would fit in my case that i choose. Thanks
a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2012 12:23:01 AM

I would go with the single bigger card rather than 2x of a worse one.

The 650w would work with the single bigger card, but not with the 2x weaker ones safely.

I think you would reduce your failure risk substantially if you change the RAM to CT2KIT51264BA1339. The RMA rate for the Corsair is much higher.
January 25, 2012 3:50:58 AM

only issue i have with that crucial ram its i cant bundle it with the i5k. New egg wont let me but i5k without buying it with something.
a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2012 5:42:07 PM

G.Skill is a big name brand. Still 4-5x worse failure rates than the Crucial part number I mentioned, though.

I agree about the newegg thing. I had to suggest someone a bundle I wasn't happy with because it was the only way to get them a 2500k off this site.
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