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Help with chosing new specs. GTX 560 Ti or 6850 for my hardware?

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November 24, 2011 6:29:18 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: December-January (Most probably december)

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: The most important usage is gaming, and not general gaming, i want to be able to play World of Warcraft, Starcraft 2 and the upcoming Diablo 3 at the most high settings the game can offer and not worry about anything. The other usage is just basic internet surfing and general stuff. I won't play any other games other than those.

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: ATI Radeon 4850HD Sapphire 512mb ddr3 and powercooler 520W power source.

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: These are my other specs,

I have a Asus p5qc motherboard which supports a maximum of 8GB of ddr3 as per ASUS web at 1333.
RAM: 2x1 (2GB) DDR3 OCZ Gold @1333 mhz factory.
Intel Core 2 Duo e8400 stock 3.00 ghz 6mb cache & 1333mhz fsb
HDD Samsung 16mb 7200rpm 250GB
Monitor Samsung 22'' 1680x1050 (I want to change this too, read further)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I don't have. Will need to look for better prices in my country. All the hardware is really expensive here unlike in United States so i won't be aiming for really high end components but i don't want to change the video card again in a couple months. I want to be able to play those games at max in 1980x1080.

PARTS PREFERENCES:Not really sure. Anything will do it as long as it suits the needs.

OVERCLOCKING: no SLI or xfire. no overclocking as i have no experience with this.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1980x1080. I'm planning to buy a 27'' hdmi samsung full HD along with the card.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:

So with the Hardware i have, is it possible to change the video card / Memory and be able to play those 3 games in 1980x1080 at max settings ? or do i need to change the entire setup?

I was thinking on upgrading to 8GB DDR 1333mhz 2x4GB and changing the video card. I was recommended ATI 6850 and GT 560 Ti but not sure what to chose. the price difference is about 120 u$s dollars here and i was told the difference is not really big. I'm trying to decide whether to change the whole PC or just change some parts. Take into account i'm only change this because i want to play D3 at max settings in a new 27'' monitor.

Every suggestion here will be more than welcome. Thank you very much!!!!
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November 24, 2011 6:42:12 PM

A RAM upgrade depends on what OS you have. If you have a 64-bit version of Windows 7, then 2 GB is very small and may be problem. If you use XP, then anything beyond about 3 GB is wasted.

The difference between the 560 Ti and 6850 is only about 20% based on gigaflops. The 6870 is probably the best bang for the buck and it's nearly 50% more powerful than 6850, 80% more powerful than the 560 Ti.

A limiting factor, however, would be the PSU. What PSU do you have, particularly the amps on the +12V rail(s)?
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November 24, 2011 7:10:21 PM

ulillillia said:
The 6870 is probably the best bang for the buck and it's nearly 50% more powerful than 6850, 80% more powerful than the 560 Ti


this is false. you should check the review before making such assumption. in term of performance GTX560 Ti > HD6870 > HD6850. if you look the review GTX560 Ti is on par with HD6950 with 6950 is slightly ahead though in real gaming scenario the difference should be unnoticeable.
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November 24, 2011 7:14:18 PM

Also without overclocking the e8400 the 6950 wont be used to it's full potential. Also with with very minor tweeks you can pretty much get the same performance from a 6850 compared to a 6870. Or you just buy an overclocked 6850.
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November 24, 2011 7:20:53 PM

renz496 said:
this is false. you should check the review before making such assumption. in term of performance GTX560 Ti > HD6870 > HD6850. if you look the review GTX560 Ti is on par with HD6950 with 6950 is slightly ahead though in real gaming scenario the difference should be unnoticeable.


I'm using Wikipedia as my source and I'm basing it entirely on gigaflops. The 560 Ti gets 1263.4 and the 6870 gets 2016, about 70% more. Based on this (though only this), the 6870 is better.
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November 24, 2011 7:31:06 PM

ulillillia said:
I'm using Wikipedia as my source and I'm basing it entirely on gigaflops.


that's why i say you should look at the review. 6870 might be better than GTX560 Ti based on is spec wise but it does not translate directly into gaming performance.
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November 25, 2011 11:25:42 PM

ulillillia said:
A RAM upgrade depends on what OS you have. If you have a 64-bit version of Windows 7, then 2 GB is very small and may be problem. If you use XP, then anything beyond about 3 GB is wasted.

The difference between the 560 Ti and 6850 is only about 20% based on gigaflops. The 6870 is probably the best bang for the buck and it's nearly 50% more powerful than 6850, 80% more powerful than the 560 Ti.

A limiting factor, however, would be the PSU. What PSU do you have, particularly the amps on the +12V rail(s)?



Thanks for your reply. Im planning to upgrade the OS to 64 bit so thats not a problem. not sure how to determine the PSU.

this is the power source i have

PS-500SS

do you know if my CPU (E8400) will be ok to be running according to 8GB RAM and a new VGA like that?
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November 25, 2011 11:28:34 PM

seriux said:
Also without overclocking the e8400 the 6950 wont be used to it's full potential. Also with with very minor tweeks you can pretty much get the same performance from a 6850 compared to a 6870. Or you just buy an overclocked 6850.



as long as the VGA runs those games at full settings without lag im ok with selecting another card. Do you think my CPU is good enough to join a VGA that will run those games at their full settings on 1980x1080 or i need to replace the whole computer?

another option would be to get interl i2500k+mother + everything but of course we are talking about a lot more money here. If i can save the money and be able to get the best out of those games without buying a whole new pc that would be wonderful.
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November 26, 2011 2:32:39 AM

none of the game you list in your first post are demanding on gpu power. of course diablo 3 is not out yet but i believe the game will not stress the gpu much like starcraft two. games like starcraft two benefit from faster cpu. so if you can overclock you cpu then you should be able acceptable/good performance. from my personal experience my frame rates in starcraft two will drop when there are too many unit in the screen. if you want best performance going for 2500k build is the best choice but as you said it will involved a lot of money.

at 1080p something like GTX560 Ti should let you play the game you list in your post with ease. this is also true for most game out there as long as the game is not gpu hungry games like crysis, crysis 2, metro 2033 etc
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November 26, 2011 8:29:03 PM

renz496 said:
none of the game you list in your first post are demanding on gpu power. of course diablo 3 is not out yet but i believe the game will not stress the gpu much like starcraft two. games like starcraft two benefit from faster cpu. so if you can overclock you cpu then you should be able acceptable/good performance. from my personal experience my frame rates in starcraft two will drop when there are too many unit in the screen. if you want best performance going for 2500k build is the best choice but as you said it will involved a lot of money.

at 1080p something like GTX560 Ti should let you play the game you list in your post with ease. this is also true for most game out there as long as the game is not gpu hungry games like crysis, crysis 2, metro 2033 etc



thank you very much for your reply. How high you think it would be recommended to OC the CPU i have E8400 to? is there a good cooler you recommend me so i can lower the temperature? this is the first time i would be OC'ing something. Any advice would be appreciated!
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