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New 3d workstation build $10k

Approximate Purchase Date: Not right away, possibly in the next 2-3 months

Budget Range: $10,000 (+/- $2000)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: 3d animation with local rendering (unless there's a cool article on how to build a renderfarm), Compositing.

Parts Not Required: Monitors (using 2), Mouse, Keyboard, Speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: PC Canada, Tiger Direct

Country: Canada

Parts Preferences: Always been with ASUS mobos - leaning towards the Sabertooth x79 Socket 2011, unless a 2P setup is better. If the x79 is the way to go, then I'd look at the Core i7 3960x

Overclocking: Not likely

SLI or Crossfire: Only if there's a performance boost for wireframe refresh rates. I don't need a wall of monitors, but if SLI makes 3ds Max move faster, lets examine that

Additional Comments: I may be able to salvage my Silverstone TJ07 case and an 800w PSU. I'll go get new drives, but is there any truth to the performance boost of an SSD? Should I use one for the OS drive?

Thanks!
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  1. Quote:
    Parts Preferences: Always been with ASUS mobos - leaning towards the Sabertooth x79 Socket 2011, unless a 2P setup is better. If the x79 is the way to go, then I'd look at the Core i7 3960x


    Workstations are the only area where I think X79 really makes sense (quad channel RAM, multiple graphics lanes, XL-ATX motherboards). It doesn't in a gaming system as it limits upgradability and things like that. But if you're going to spend $10K+ on a workstation chances are you won't need to upgrade for a while.

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    Additional Comments: I may be able to salvage my Silverstone TJ07 case and an 800w PSU. I'll go get new drives, but is there any truth to the performance boost of an SSD? Should I use one for the OS drive?


    Absolutely, and you'll get even better performance if you use two in RAID 0. Then you'll want 2 of the same drive.

    Quote:
    SLI or Crossfire: Only if there's a performance boost for wireframe refresh rates. I don't need a wall of monitors, but if SLI makes 3ds Max move faster, lets examine that


    You'll want to go with professional cards like the Fire Pro or Quaddros then.

    Quote:
    Additional Comments: I may be able to salvage my Silverstone TJ07 case and an 800w PSU. I'll go get new drives, but is there any truth to the performance boost of an SSD? Should I use one for the OS drive?


    800 will be a bit underpowered for this build and most X79 motherboards use the XL-ATX form factor so that might not work out either.

    Try this:

    Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II - $349.99
    PSU: Silverstone Strider ST1500W - $349.99
    Motherboard: Asus P9X79 WS - $399.99
    CPU: Intel Core i7-3960X - $1,059.99
    Cooler: Corsair H100 - $119.99
    RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) - $599.99
    SSD: 2 x 256GB Crucial M4 - $374.99 each
    HD: 3 x Seagate Barracuda XT 3TB - $389.99 each
    Optical: Plextor B950 - $159.99
    Video Card: ATI Fire Pro V7900 - $2,799.99
    OS: Windows 7 Ultimate - $199.99

    Total: $7,958.87
  2. 2-3 months is kind of a long time in the tech world. It's good to do research beforehand but not getting a parts list til a max of a month ahead of time and you would still look for deals the day of the purchase so may still change parts. In a few months the new xeons will come out so a dual cpu setup would be a better option. New gpus will also be out although I don't know the date for the new firepros or quadros.
  3. Thermaltake Level 10 GT UGK Combat Snow Edition (VN10006W2N-B) Ultimate Gaming Kit White and Black SECC / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case with Tt eSPORTS MEGA G1 Keyboard, Black Gaming Mouse and Shock Gaming Headset
    $399.99
    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133195

    Intel Core i7-3960X BX80619i73960X Extreme Edition Processor - Six Core, 15MB L3 Cache, 1.5MB L2 Cache, 3.30 GHz (3.90 GHz Max Turbo), Socket R (LGA2011), 130W, No Fan, Unlocked, Retail
    $1049.97
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1380571&CatId=7377

    Corsair CWCH80 Hydro H80 CPU Liquid Cooler - 120mm Fan, LGA775, LGA1155, LGA1156, LGA1366, LGA 2011, AM2, AM3
    $99.97
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=581559&Sku=C13-2180

    3X raid Western Digital WD2002FAEX Caviar Black Hard Drive - 2TB, 3.5", SATA 6Gbps, 7200 RPM, 64MB
    $259.99 X3 $779.97
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7288043&CatId=4357

    CORSAIR DDR3 4X8GB 1866MHZ 10-11-10-30 VENGEANCE SERIES [CMZ32GX3M4X1866C10]
    $621.74
    http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=36825

    ASUS Rampage IV Extreme/BF3 X79 Board - ATX, Socket R (LGA2011), Intel X79 Express, 2400MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA 6.0 Gb/s, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCI-Express 3.0, CrossFireX/SLI, Bluetooth
    $469.97
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1553583&CatId=7381

    EVGA 100-PS-1200-GR Classified SR-2 1200W Power Supply - ATX, Hybrid, 1200 Watt, 80 PLUS Silver Certified, SLI Ready, CrossFire Certified, Ultra-Quiet 80mm Fan
    $311.99
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6620925&Sku=E145-4900

    2X in raid Corsair CSSD-F180GB3-BK Force Series 3 Solid State Drive - 180GB, SATA III (6Gb/s), 2.5", up to 550MB/s Read, up to 520MB/s Write
    $499.94
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1419530&CatId=5300

    PNY VCQ6000-PB Quadro 6000 Fermi Graphics Card - 6GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0 (x16), Dual-Link DVI, Dual DisplayPort, Stereo, DirectX 11
    $3999.99
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6809990&CatId=4044

    Windows Ult 7 English ROW DVD
    $299.99
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5364209&CatId=4622

    The total for this build is $8233.55 This is of course a sample of what you could build and if you did what it would cost.
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    Thermaltake VN10006W2N Level 10 GT Snow Edition Full Tower Case - ATX, M-ATX, Ext ATX, 4x Ext 5.25", 1x Ext 3.5", 5x Int 3.5", 140mm Fan, 3x 200mm Fans, 2x USB 3.0, 4x USB 2.0, 1x eSATA Front Ports
    $299.99
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicat [...] CatId=1510


    The Level 10 isn't an XL-ATX case (required for most X79 motherboards including Rampage IV) where the Cosmos II is.

    Quote:

    EVGA 100-PS-1200-GR Classified SR-2 1200W Power Supply - ATX, Hybrid, 1200 Watt, 80 PLUS Silver Certified, SLI Ready, CrossFire Certified, Ultra-Quiet 80mm Fan
    #311.99
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicat [...] =E145-4900


    I haven't heard a lot about this PSU and on a $10K build I'm not sure I'd trust it. The Silverstone is proven but I'm not sure the EVGA isn't.
  5. No point RAIDing SSD's

    The OCZ Revodrive 3 does that for you and has far higher bandwidth than any SATA connection

    http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-revodrive-3-x2-pci-express-ssd.html
  6. The Asus board is an Extended Atx board which will fit the case listed.

    I didn't realize it was up to you to trust the power supply that I had listed.
  7. @ g-unit: Thanks so much for your list! Awesome specs. Sorry, I thought I listed that I wouldn't need an OS (I'm already using Win 7 Pro 64 Bit), so I can shave a bit off these quotes. Are there benchmarks for the FirePro V7900?
    @ k1114: Quite true, but I've been so busy in the last several weeks that I haven't been keeping up with the latest trends - and you fine folks are the best way I know to jumpstart my way back in to the fray! The tech may change in 2 months, but at least this way I'll know WHY it's changed, and whether it's something I need or not.
    @ inzone: Thanks for your specs! Question: Are there benchmarks I can see regarding the PNY Quadro 6000?

    Awesome guys! Thanks so much! I'll look at the components.
  8. @ Outlander: Coooooool.........I like that RevoDrive. This can obviously be made a bootable drive. I wonder how much performance boost I'd get having one for the OS, another for the applications....
  9. Cons: Why the hell almost 2 years later this card has not gone done in price. This tech is based on the 400 series ferni. Nvidia is already working on there next gen gpu passing this card by 2the generations so way the hell s the price not dropping?

    Manufacturer Response:
    The Quadro 6000 remains the most powerful (and desired) professional graphics board available today. No other product offers 6GB of dedicated GPU memory, is based on NVIDIA’s proven Fermi architecture, is certified by as many ISVs for professional applications, or offers as much flexibility to users who need ultimate graphics and compute (NVIDIA CUDA or Open CL) performance in a single board solution. When the new creative capabilities the Quadro 6000 enables, the graphics or compute performance gains, and the productivity advantage of being able to interactively manipulate the most complex models or datasets are taken into account the NVIDIA Quadro 6000 by PNY remains unmatched in its class and offers superb value to the most demanding MCAD, 3D design, video, Film, or scientific/technical professional user.

    I will see if I can locate any benchmarks meanwhile this was a feedback from one of the people that had purchased one and because it was about cost he gave it one egg , even though he thought the card was faet. The response is also listed.
  10. Spectacular! I'll try to find those benchmarks for the Q 6000. Thanks!
  11. dreamwyzard said:
    @ Outlander: Coooooool.........I like that RevoDrive. This can obviously be made a bootable drive. I wonder how much performance boost I'd get having one for the OS, another for the applications....


    I have been using the RevoDrives since they came out and the way I have mine set up is with the Corsair Force Gt 180gb as the OS drive and the Revo for secondary , it works better that way. I had it as the boot drive but it was a little problamatic and tempermental.
  12. So in your experience the Revo should be for apps only then?
  13. Goodness.....what happens if you RAID 0 these bad boys? Do you go backwards in time?
  14. Quote:
    @ g-unit: Thanks so much for your list! Awesome specs. Sorry, I thought I listed that I wouldn't need an OS (I'm already using Win 7 Pro 64 Bit), so I can shave a bit off these quotes. Are there benchmarks for the FirePro V7900?


    I don't really know where to look but the thing with benchmarks is often times a lot of the results are fabricated and don't make sense unless you know what other hardware they tested with it and what they did to achieve those results. You can search sites like anandtech.com and johnnyguru.com but I'm not sure if they'll have what you are looking for.

    Quote:
    I have been using the RevoDrives since they came out and the way I have mine set up is with the Corsair Force Gt 180gb as the OS drive and the Revo for secondary , it works better that way. I had it as the boot drive but it was a little problamatic and tempermental.


    I've heard that with the Revodrive which is why I hesitate to recommend them in high end builds.
  15. g-unit: Is there a SSD you would recommend? Or do you hesitate with SSDs in general?
    I've heard the MTBF rating is virtually no different than a regular SATA drive, making this "no moving parts" just a fallible as spindle 7200 rpm drives. I don't know if that's true, and frankly it evades my logic (no moving parts = nothing to seize or wear down).
  16. dreamwyzard said:
    Goodness.....what happens if you RAID 0 these bad boys? Do you go backwards in time?



    You can't put these in raid , they are already a raid of four SSD's tied together with four sandforce controllers. If you were to use one I would go with as large as you can so that you have only one , and you can get a different one to use in just storage only.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100011691%2050001550&IsNodeId=1&name=OCZ%20Technology

    OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2 series RVD3X2-FHPX4-960G PCI-E 960GB PCI-Express 2.0 x4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
    $3199.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227742
  17. dreamwyzard said:
    So in your experience the Revo should be for apps only then?



    Like I said I have a Corsair Force GT 180gb as the OS drive and the 240gb Revo as the games and apps and then a Raptor drive for everything else.
  18. I don't think ya really don't want to take a souped up gaming computer and just swap out the GeForce for a Quadro ....... I'd start w/ a vendor who specializes in rendering workstations.... start w/ your application vendor and ask them what works best with their software.

    http://www.velocitymicro.com/wizard.php?sr=0&iid=187
  19. dreamwyzard said:
    g-unit: Is there a SSD you would recommend? Or do you hesitate with SSDs in general?
    I've heard the MTBF rating is virtually no different than a regular SATA drive, making this "no moving parts" just a fallible as spindle 7200 rpm drives. I don't know if that's true, and frankly it evades my logic (no moving parts = nothing to seize or wear down).


    I definitely don't shy away from SSDs - I have two systems and both use SSD as the boot drive. there's definitely good ones and bad ones. The good ones are Intel 510, Samsung 830, Crucial M4, Mushkin Chronos, Kingston Hyper X, and Plextor.

    Quote:
    I don't think ya really don't want to take a souped up gaming computer and just swap out the GeForce for a Quadro ....... I'd start w/ a vendor who specializes in rendering workstations.... start w/ your application vendor and ask them what works best with their software.


    Mine includes a workstation-specific board and video card, I don't see how that's a "souped up gaming computer".
  20. dreamwyzard said:
    @ Outlander: Coooooool.........I like that RevoDrive. This can obviously be made a bootable drive. I wonder how much performance boost I'd get having one for the OS, another for the applications....


    The data through put of a revodrive is several times faster than the very best SATA connectors can achieve so it hoses any SATA SSD
    Yes its bootable .
    Just a single drive would do unless you just have to spend the money LOL
  21. Okay, so far we're all in agreement on a couple of items:

    CPU: Intel Core i7 3960X

    Therefore, we're looking at a Socket 2011 board. I'm not as interested in the Rampage IV (I don't need so many GPU slots) as I am the Sabertooth X79 or the P9X79.

    Will I have the raw processing power to do fast renders with this CPU and mobo? Or am I better off going with dual Xeons?

    If it matters (and it may), at the end of the day, I'd still like to noodle about in Starcraft II on this thing. :)
  22. EVGA Classified SR-2 270-WS-W555-A2 LGA 1366 Intel 5520 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HPTX Intel Motherboard
    $584.99
    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188070

    Intel Xeon X5650 Westmere 2.66GHz 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 95W Six-Core Server Processor BX80614X5650
    $1024.99 x2 $2049.98
    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117231CVF

    CORSAIR DOMINATOR 24GB (6 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory with DHX Pro Connector and Airflow II Fan Model CMP24GX3M6A1333C9
    $224.99 x2 = $449.98
    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145337

    You could try this setup and while it is 1366 socket there are two Zeons for processing power.
  23. dreamwyzard said:
    Okay, so far we're all in agreement on a couple of items:

    CPU: Intel Core i7 3960X

    Therefore, we're looking at a Socket 2011 board. I'm not as interested in the Rampage IV (I don't need so many GPU slots) as I am the Sabertooth X79 or the P9X79.

    Will I have the raw processing power to do fast renders with this CPU and mobo? Or am I better off going with dual Xeons?

    If it matters (and it may), at the end of the day, I'd still like to noodle about in Starcraft II on this thing. :)


    Go with the P9X79 - it's more of a workstation-oriented board where the Sabertooth is more of a gaming-oriented board.

    The problem with the aforementioned EVGA SR-2 is that while the board is highly regarded among hardcore enthusiasts, the thing is so big that it sets its' own form factor (bigger than XL-ATX even... :lol: ) and there's very few cases on the market that can contain this thing. Not to mention that dual CPU, RAM controllers and memory sets will require the use of two PSUs. Where the X79 will only need one.
  24. If it's something that he would even consider getting I'm sure that he could find a case for it and the 1500w Strider would be enough but if not then two 1200w psu's would do , which is what I have.
  25. This is the official list I got from the EVGA forums as to what's compatible:
    http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=238992&mpage=1
  26. Never mind the list of cases check out the picture on the post by kt9394!!! :o :o :o :o
  27. inzone said:
    Never mind the list of cases check out the picture on the post by kt9394!!! :o :o :o :o


    Nice! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
  28. There is a renderfarm article but it is pre- i3/i5/dual-channel i7
  29. dual LGA2011 socket socket motherboard is not too far.it's something like evga sr-x.you may consider it buddy.
  30. Good to know! At the moment I think this build will happen sooner instead of later. Now I'm trying to decide if a single Quadro 6000 would be more powerful than 2, 3, or even 4 GTX 580s in SLI.
    Any ideas?
  31. wow 4 gtx 580s in sli. so much heat/noise lol.

    You may as well put 4 Gtx 590s in sli. (is that even possible?)
  32. Probably not - I don't think 3ds Max uses SLI, but it uses CUDA, so it really comes down to how many cores there are available. Somewhere there has to be a speed test, but I haven't found one yet.
  33. quadro 6000 is a workstation card and gtx 580 is a gaming card.gtx 580 will beat 6000 in gaming but 6000 will beat it in designing.it's just like comparing harley with cbr1000rr :)
  34. The quadro will handle the software better while you are working. If you are using a gpu accelerated renderer, then rendering will be faster with a 580 because it's more powerful. So it really just depends on what renderer you use and how complex the projects are if the 580 could handle them. As for sli, you will need to make sure the viewport version or the gpu renderer can take advantage of it.
  35. I did find this test which is very interesting:
    http://area.autodesk.com/forum/autodesk-3ds-max/installation---hardware---os/geforce-vs-quadro-benchmarks-40actual-tests41/
    - can someone smarter than I am please interpret this data? As I understand this info, k1114 is quite right - it entirely depends on which renderer I use and how complex my scenes (how high the poly count) are.

    I'm now leaning towards a pair of GTX 580s...they seem to do the job *almost* as well as a high end Quadro, for nearly 40% less cost. If spending SO much more only gains a 20% performance boost, the cost isn't exactly justified, is it?
  36. Plus, upon thinking about it, I don't mind a drop in performance "while working" (due to high poly count or whatever) if I can have faster render times. Render speed is more desireable to me than wireframe refresh rates.
    Hope this makes sense. So.....the questions now coesm down to the wire....
    Quadro 6000 x1? Or a pair of GTX 580s in SLI?
  37. dreamwyzard said:
    I did find this test which is very interesting:
    http://area.autodesk.com/forum/autodesk-3ds-max/installation---hardware---os/geforce-vs-quadro-benchmarks-40actual-tests41/
    - can someone smarter than I am please interpret this data? As I understand this info, k1114 is quite right - it entirely depends on which renderer I use and how complex my scenes (how high the poly count) are.

    I'm now leaning towards a pair of GTX 580s...they seem to do the job *almost* as well as a high end Quadro, for nearly 40% less cost. If spending SO much more only gains a 20% performance boost, the cost isn't exactly justified, is it?


    Well if that were the case I still wouldn't run a pair of 580s as like I said those are meant for high end gaming and not video and production rendering. If the high cost of the Quaddro is off-putting maybe consider something like a pair of mid-end Fire Pros:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195107
  38. It's not the cost itself, its more the cost to performance ratio.
    If a pair of GTX 580s in SLI render something in 10 minutes, and a Quadro 6000 renders it in 9 minutes, then I don't see the advantage with such a cost - however, if the 580s go for 10, and the Quadro does it in ONE....then I can see the performance value. Cost isn't really the factor, just part of the equation......thoughts?
    The article I linked to above seemed to unilaterally go for the GTX cards because of the cost vs performance ratio wasn't enough to justify spending twice the amount for only a 10-20% boost.
    I really can't figure this out, one minute I'm going for GTXs, the next I'm for the Quadro.
    Ugh....
  39. Well what renderer do you use and how big are your projects? What kind of stuff do you do? From mental ray vs quicksilver my 560ti is about 5-10x faster than my i5 2500k (mental ray is cpu based and quicksilver is gpu accelerated). I haven't messed around to much with quicksilver and iray as the ones built in 2012 are not production ready. I usually see vray more commonly used since it is production ready which the 580 will win vs q6000; the more cudas/higher clocks wins regardless of gtx/quadro/tesla. But you will want to go with the 3gb version as I hear there are artifacting issues if you fill your vram so it can't be used for huge projects.

    My projects have really only gone up to ~200k polys which have no issues. Textures are really the biggest strain. I tested how many polys I can go in wireframe which I believe was 2mil before it even started to slow using max. I got a 560ti because I game as well. But personally if I had $10k for a rig built just for 3d animation work, I'd still opt for a quadro (something along a 4000 though) for working and make a render farm. I have read the renderfarm article by tom's but I have no experience with that. Although I don't know how technically inclined you are, it seems doable for me. *I wouldn't even spend that money in a rig though since I don't work from home. These are only personal projects I do at home.
  40. Thanks for your input! Usually I'm using the scanline or Mental Ray (depends on what's invloved in the scene) working on some full scenes or elements that are composited later in After Effects. (Hmmmm.....if Max works best with a Quadro, does After Effects as well??)
    I've been curious about a render farm - I may salvage together a couple of old systems and see what I can make them do insofar as renderslaves. I 8think* I'm tech-inclined enough to do asomething like that. (Fingers crossed!)
    So you recommend a 4000 series Quadro? Something like a PNY VCQFX4800-PCIE-PB QuadroFX 4800 Workstation Video Card - 1.5GB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, Dual-link DVI, (2) Display Port, 192 Cores
    ....or a pair of those in SLI?
  41. Quadro 4000 or maybe even get the 5000 which has all the sli features and ecc which I thought the 4000 had but apparently not. http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/product-comparison/product-comparison-master-revised.pdf Those renderers are cpu only so gpu power won't help render times. Which gpu is still dependent on project size, 2gb is enough for me. Sli really isn't worth it as this will only be for the viewports and a single card should be fine. After effects should benefit as well and only more gpu power if it's a gpu renderer. For AE I tend to stick with cpu renderers for better quality. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/video-transcoding-amd-app-nvidia-cuda-intel-quicksync,2839-9.html
  42. Okay, so after some more research I think I've settled on the various components. Please check these and tell me if anything is incompatible, not powerful enough, or just plain wrong:

    CASE
    Corsair CC800DW Obsidian 800D Black Aluminum Full Tower ATX

    CPU
    Core i7 3960X, Socket 2011, 3.3 GHz [BX80619I73960X]

    COOLING
    CORSAIR CWCH100 LIQUID COOLER, AL RADIATOR [CWCH100]

    RAM
    CORSAIR DDR3 4 x 8 GB (32 GB) 1866 MHz 10-11-10-30 VENGEANCE SERIES [CMZ32GX3M4X1866C10]

    MOTHERBOARD
    ASUS P9X79 WS, Socket 2011 INTEL X79, CEB, 3X PCIE 3.0, 8D.DDR3-1866MHZ ,2X SATA 6GB/S, GB LAN, 1394A [P9X79 WS]

    PSU
    CORSAIR AX1200 1200W MODULAR ATX12V V2.31/ EPS12V V2.92,SLI 80 PLUS GOLD, ACTIVE PFC PSU [CMPSU-1200AX]

    GRAPHICS
    PNY QUADRO 6000 6GB GDDR5 384- BIT, PCI-E 2.0 X16, 1X DVI+ 2X DISPLAY PORT, DX11, D-LINK DVI [VCQ6000-PB]

    HARD DRIVES
    C: Windows
    - CORSAIR PERFORMANCE PRO 256GB 515MB/S READ 440MB/S WRITE 2.5 TO 3.5 BRACKET INCLUDED [CSSD-P256GBP-BK]

    D: Programs
    - CORSAIR FORCE3 2.5 480GB SSD SATA3 6GB/S 2.5 TO 3.5 BRACKET INCLUDED [CSSD-F480GB3-BK]

    E: Workspace
    - WD CAVIAR BLACK 2TB 64MB 3.5 SATA 6GB/S 7200RPM DUAL PROCESSOR [WD2002FAEX]

    OPTICAL DRIVES
    ASUS BW-12B1ST 12X BD WRITE INTERNAL, BLACK, SATA, RETAIL, POWER2GO [BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS]

    MONITOR
    Samsung 27" 850 series [S27A850]

    KEYBOARD
    Logitech Illuminated Keyboard

    PERIPHERALS
    3D Connexion Space Navigator Pro

    UPS Power Supply APC®Back-UPS Pro 1500, 1500 VA / 865 W

    ...that's it. Anything missing? Approx price is just under $10k.
    Mmm...dream machine!

    Thanks for all the advice!
  43. More than enough of what? 4GB vs 6GB? I've also read that 3ds max perfers nVidia's CUDA cores over ATI Firepro cards - although I've not seen proof of that.
    Please elaborate...
  44. Best answer
    Unless you're going to sli go with a 850w; sli doesn't help much since a single card should be fine as it's just for viewports. I'm still reading a lot of threads about mixed responses of sli support and bugs. 256gb is usually enough for windows+programs. I have windows, maya '11 and '12 , max, ps, ae, ill, working files plus about 20 games which uses about 300gb. You will probably want working files on a ssd, if you ever worked on a huge project, you should understand. Just use the hdd as a backup/storage as well as an external backup (you never really said anything about that). Using the 256gb for windows+programs and the 512 for working files. I'd suggest the crucial m4 or samsung 830. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/octane-sata-indilinx-benchmark-performance,3081-5.html

    You could save $400 going with the 3930k. Might even want to drop to 1600 ram instead of 1866 which saves $270 as ram speed makes little/no difference. Personally I would still suggest waiting for the xeons to see what they bring to the table if you can wait. Especially since you are using cpu renderers. Small changes in parts with no performance changes like these will let you fit a 2nd cpu which should really help rendering.
  45. Now there is some very useful information! Thanks! Yes, I can wit a bit (My client will be footing the bill for this system - but not yet)

    I still am about 60-40 in favour of a single Quadro vs 590s in SLI.

    The amount of programs + win 7 64 bit is currently more than 256GB, but I have lots of extraneous stuff loaded that I won't be reloading. So 256 GB for Win + Apps, and 512 or larger for working files, and yes, I know all about huge projects, which is whyI chose the 2TB drive for a "dumping ground". I have an external enclosure with 3 x 500 GB drives collecting backups.

    Any ETA on those Xeons? 2nd Quarter? I'll do some more research based on your suggestions - thanks again!
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  47. I see a couple places claiming march. You'll probably want to make another thread closer to the purchase date.
  48. Wilco. Your suggestion of the new Xeon (E7-8870) possibly in dual has effectively thrown a monkey wrench into the works! :) (10 cores?!?!?)
    I'll repost a new thread then.
    Thanks for all your help with this! Thanks to everyone who put forth an opinion! Valuable info!
    cheers
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