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January 26, 2012 2:43:15 AM

Hi,

I'm looking for feedback regarding a soon to be gaming computer that has room for upgrades in the future.
The main things I am still undecided on are the Mobo, the PSU (is Silverstone a good PSU brand?) and the Monitor.


The parts I'm looking at are as follows:

Case: Antec 1100
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=ELEVEN-HUNDR...

CPU: Intel i5 2500K
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=i5-2500K

Mobo: Asus P8Z68-V LE MB
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=P8Z68-V-LE

HDD: Hitachi 1TB Deskstar 7K1000.D
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=0F13180

RAM: Corsair 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=CML16GX3M4A1...

PSU: 1000W "Silverstone" 80Plus Gold
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=ST1000-G

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222AB Black Internal
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=SH-222AB/BEB...

Monitor: ASUS VE247H 23.6 Widescreen LED Monitor
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=VE247H




Approximate Purchase Date: Next 2 weeks.

Budget Range: ~$1600 (no rebates)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming primarily.

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, OS, GPU, Speakers.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: http://www.pcez.com.au/ (close to where I live)

Country: Australia

Parts Preferences: I'm pretty set on the i5 2500k, but if anyone has any reason why not please tell me.

Overclocking: Maybe (when needed)

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe (later on when needed)

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080



Much appreciated for any help.

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January 26, 2012 3:13:31 AM

Hi yamman101,
Your build looks really solid. just a couple of critiques if I may.

Do you have a particular affinity to that case? it looks nice but so do allot of $100 and less cases.

While the mobo you picked is a good mobo, this one is more future proof with pci.e 3.0 so you would be ready to take advantage of that in the future and it doesn't cost any more than the one you chose.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is a great one as well ,also incorporating 3.0

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also I noticed that you are shopping at a sight where the prices are higher than amazon or newegg or tigerdirect. Is there a reason for this?

Yes, Silverstone is a great brand for psu's and is probably the most recommended if it can be afforded. Also antec and seasonic are great choices.

What gpu will you be using? I just wondered cause that is quite a powerful psu. If only using 1 gpu you might drop down to a 850w if it is a big one or even a650 or 750w if it is only a single 560ti or less

Some people might say that the hitachi drive should be traded in for a samsung spinpoint f3 or a wd caviar black, but I personnally have had good luck with Hitachi as well as long as you stick with 7200 rpm and at least 16mb cache but preferring 32-64mb cache
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January 26, 2012 3:38:40 AM

Thanks for the feedback rmiiirusty.

I'll start by saying that I'm shopping at a site that's very close to where I live (so any complications can be handled in person (warranty and such).
I have looked into Newegg and found they do not ship to my country. Tigerdirect ships to my country, but at astronomical shipping fees ($100+ for a GPU shipping).
I haven't looked into Amazon (mainly because of the aforementioned possible complications).


The reason I chose the case is because a good friend of mine pointed it out as having great cooling options and also because I'm not one for flashy lights. If you know of any better cases (in terms of cooling options) for less I would be most appreciative.

I found one of the mobo's you linked in the store I linked:
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=P8Z68-V-GEN3
Unfortunately its $270.
I would love a mobo with USB 3.0, but they all are terribly overpriced here in Australia.

I'm currently using a single 560ti for my GPU. I will probably upgrade to 2 560ti's when I have the money and the need.

The reason behind the powerful PSU is so that when the time comes to upgrade I won't have to worry about getting a new PSU. I might be wrong, but from my thinking its sound considering I have the money for it now, and I probably won't have the money for both a new GPU and PSU when the time comes.

I'm not terribly well informed when it comes to HDD's, so may I enquire as to your reasoning behind your explanation.

Looking forward to your response.

Kindly, yamman101

edit: I just tried to order a mobo from Amazon only to find that they cannot ship it to Australia =(
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January 26, 2012 4:17:02 AM

All of your reasoning seems sound. I am not familiar with any of the vendors that are available to you in australia. There are allot of good cases like coolermaster storm scout for instance It does have two red led fans but they can either be replaced by non led fans or there is a button on the case to turn the lights off. It is a sturdy case and is great for cable mgmt and has handles built in on top. It is only $69 at most vendors in america. Here is a link in case you aren't familiar with it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It can be had for less at other places but I chose newegg because it has a video you can watch about it. By the way, the lights are not nearly as bright as the video makes them out to be.and again the led's do have an off button.

The handles are really handy when needing to move the case around.

As it all comes down to it the case is a matter of personnal choice and just depends on what you like and how much you are willing to spend.

I just mentioned the hdd's because they have real good reputation and most of the guys here recommend them.but like I said the hitachi you listed should be fine.
the 7200rpm is the spin cycle speed and the faster it is the faster the drive finds what it is looking for and the cache is how much info pops up at once when it finds what it is looking for. Again, the higher the better.
A large cache like 64m will usually pop up a whole page of info at once while a small mb cache like 8m will load your page a bit at a time and take a few seconds longer to complete.

Also, you should check out ncix to see if they will deliver to australia. Here is a link.

http://www.ncix.com/
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January 26, 2012 4:46:23 AM

yamman101 said:
Hi,
Case: Antec 1100
CPU: Intel i5 2500K
Mobo: Asus P8Z68-V LE MB
HDD: Hitachi 1TB Deskstar 7K1000.D
RAM: Corsair 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz
PSU: 1000W "Silverstone" 80Plus Gold
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222AB Black Internal
Monitor: ASUS VE247H 23.6 Widescreen LED Monitor


Case is a tad expensive. Antec 300 illusion or CM 690 cost less. So does the Thermaltake MSI commander.
CPU is awesome but you need an aftermarket cooler for it's overclocking. If you are hesitant on the OC get the i5 2400 that doesn't need an aftermarket cooler.
Mobo LE are not good overclockers. I propose Asrock z68 extreme3 gen3 if you are going with the i5 2500k, one of the h67 if you go with the 2400.
HDD get seagate 7200.12, wd caviar black or samsung f3 spinpoint. For the budget consider a 120gb ssd as well.
RAM you won't need 16gb for gaming. 8gb low profile 1.65vram or lower.
PSU don't trust silverstone that much. Order of preference: Seasonic, Enermax, Cougar, Superflower, Antec, Corsair, XFX, OCZ.
Optical drive seems too expensive. Any ~20$ dvd will do.
Monitor is nice. For the same price consider Samsung's counterparts at 2ms.
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January 26, 2012 4:47:19 AM

p.s. you don't need 1k watts. 850 quality watts will do more than fine.
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January 26, 2012 5:06:28 AM

was I right or what about what the other guys would recommend. Those hdd,s are good but I have various hdds in different builds and I have never seen them to be any better than the Hitachi. Those cases are nice that he mentioned and there is also a i5-2500 that is not a k series if you dont want to oc but still want 3.3 gig

Also Allot of people have had problems with the asrock boards lately with issues like a mem slot not working or a pci.e slot not working. I have seen it twice in forums I was involved in here ,once in person with an aquaintence and many times in other forums. They are great boards when they work but may cause a few hassles getting there. I would stick with asus,MSi or gigabyte if it were me.
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January 26, 2012 5:34:15 AM

For a motherboard I would go with this...
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=Z68-EXTREME3...
For a PSU you really should only get something around 750w to 850w and a 80 PLUS Certified Bronze like...
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=CMPSU-750TXv...
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=EA-750-GREEN
And last with the saved money you could get an SSD maybe...
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=CSSD-F60GB3A...
The other thing where to save is only get 2x4GB RAM set instead of the 4x4GB and on cases...BitFenix make great cases
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=RAIDER-BK it is only a mid tower
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January 26, 2012 5:45:34 AM

Again with the Asrock boards. Try it if you feel lucky I guess.

Here is another good board for your build

http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/100094_MSI_Z68A_GD55_...

It is however the b3 version of the board which does not support pci.e 3.0 and if you look around you may find a g3 version which does

The msi gd65 and gd80 boards are sweet as well though they cost a little more than this one.

If you want pci.e 3.0 in an msi board you have to look for the g3 version , otherwise the b3 is the same only w\o 3.0

I searched the web for "Australia computer parts online" and found several vendors.
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January 26, 2012 6:00:17 AM

Bad boards happen. Theres no denying that. In the past 2 weeks on newegg only 3 people gave it less than 4 stars...thats pretty good out of the 30+ reviews. You have to also understand that people are only going to talk about the motherboard if it has problems. No one is going to say...hey got my motherboard and it works. People only talk about if they had a problem or if it was REALLY awesome and for the most part people arent going to notice if the motherboard is REALLY awesome.
Hitachi has DOA drives...Building a pc means taking a chance with DOA parts...thers no escaping that...

The reality of ASRock is that they are cheaper normally comes out in the quality of parts, but ASRock is devopling a name of cheap but good solid boards.

I just think that it would be good to save money and grab an SSD if possible. If not definitely go with ASUS and the better brands.
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January 26, 2012 6:29:35 AM

Hey there. The prices on that site seem a little high for AU. Compare against:

http://www.pccasegear.com/

If you don't need a GPU I'd looking at something like:

Intel Core i5 2500K $229 - Your choice
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO $39 - If you're thinking of OCing down the track... this will keep your CPU nice and cool
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 $175 - The Extreme3 as recommended above is fine... when you put them side by side, you can see the better build quality in the Extreme4.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Corsair TX-650 V2 $115 - Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, XFX is the way to go. A quality PSU is an absolute must.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

*If your planning a 2nd gtx 560Ti just go the 750w version

CoolerMaster Storm Enforcer $99 - I like this case, but hey it's all personal tastes. I just think the 1100 is overpriced for what it is
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Seagate Barracuda 500GB $79 - Buying HDDs sucks at the moment so whatever.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

OCZ Agility 3 120GB SSD $189 - If you can allow for a 120GB SSD in you budget... 60 GB fills up so quick
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Corsair Vengeance 1600C9 8GB $55 - 16GB is overkill
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Samsung SH-222AB SATA DVDRW $22 - Nice and cheap
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

ASUS VE248H $199 - Its 2ms 24"
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Comes to $1205 + shipping of course

Or even:

http://msy.com.au/

For msy just download their pdf pricelist then check stock availability at your local store.

Keep in mind the comments from the guys above and your on the right track.

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January 26, 2012 7:16:56 AM

Delirious788 said:
Bad boards happen. Theres no denying that. In the past 2 weeks on newegg only 3 people gave it less than 4 stars...thats pretty good out of the 30+ reviews. You have to also understand that people are only going to talk about the motherboard if it has problems. No one is going to say...hey got my motherboard and it works. People only talk about if they had a problem or if it was REALLY awesome and for the most part people arent going to notice if the motherboard is REALLY awesome.
Hitachi has DOA drives...Building a pc means taking a chance with DOA parts...thers no escaping that...



Yeah I understand that and you are right about people only talking about problems. That is why you cant always trust the customer feedback on items.

However I have built about 26 pc's in the last 6 months for customers and have never had any problem with an asus board(used in most of those), or an msi board which I used for 12 of those builds. None of those 26 boards had a problem and both of the guys that I heard it from on these forums were surprisingly honest because they had bragged about going to get asrock while I was suggesting asus to someone and then came back a day or two later and entered their results saying they were returning their crappy boards for asus because of faulty slots.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/328617-31-building-in...

just one of the threads where the guy had a prob. At least he was honest about it.
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January 26, 2012 9:37:37 AM

i have always been a supporter of asus. msi gives me the creeps with all their DOA, steep prices and bad architecture on the boards. gigabyte while having absolutely awesome VRM making boards with 4+1 phases capable of effective OC, always ALWAYS lags in newer tech by using marvel or other kind of controllers, too complicated naming, a multitude of choices that make no sense, bad bios that doesn't let you control fans and nasty coil whining effect with budget psu's.
On the other hand gigabyte is unparalleled in graphics cards.
We can all agree then that asus while sports the best of all worlds, amazing VRM (while not as good as gigabytes) and jaw dropping power phases of up to 12 and 16, it is not budget boards.
All this data about asus, msi and gigabyte brings us to asrock, which doesn't always make awesome boards, doesn't always have quality materials or bells and whistles asus comes with, offers 2 years of warantee that seems dubious, BUT always finishes as budget king. The specific board in discussion, having it and loving it, has proven to be both budget, technologically supperior to all those in it's price range, sporting fantastic OC performance while missing nothing and cutting back on things most people don't need.
Because i fear i might have over-analyzed the matter i will say this to conclude the matter on my part:
-Want to be 100% sure you are getting the best of what you pay? Get the Asus P8Z68V pro-GEN3. It is expensive but it has all you will need and then some. You can OC everything, so unless you are SURE you are GOING to OC, you don't need to spend all this money on it.
-Want to save some money for that ssd, get all you need, be able to OC and enjoy the latest technology? Get the AsRock z68 e3 gen3. I already explained the risks and there is a 5% chance you will get in trouble and have to identify the problem and RMA the board. (This chance exists on all other boards, let's give Asus a 3% and MSI a 8% based on my prejudged experience with them)
-Want to save even more money for that ssd, get 2010's tech but still game to your heart's desire? Get the cheapest h67 FULL ATX board with 2xpci-e 16 (second working x4 on sli/xfire) along with the i5 2400 (no need spending more for the 2500 since they are pretty much the same processor).
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January 26, 2012 11:57:13 AM

Thank you all so very much for your very detailed and thorough analysis and suggestions regarding my original build components.

And thank you so very much Formata for putting me onto pccasegear.

I have tried to take all your suggestions and come up with the best build possible.

I appreciate any feedback you can give me.

So as it stands at the moment I have:

Case: Coolermaster Storm Trooper (still undecided, a few other contenders atm, also a tad expensive but the dust catchers seem like a really good idea)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
Options I am looking into are:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
http://www.msy.com.au/product.jsp?productId=923

CPU: i5 2500k
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Mobo: Looking at 4 different options and would like your opinions on them (and the differences with the 2 ASUS mobos if possible)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

PSU: Corsair HX-1050 (chosen this to future proof my system)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB ST31000524AS (main reason for swapping is because the site I'm now using don't supply Hitachi HDD's)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222AB SATA DVDRW Drive
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (on advice from Formata)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Monitor: ASUS VE248H 24inch LED
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

I will (money permitting) purchase a SSD after the whole build is complete.

I will be overclocking in the future, once I am more familiar with it (current mobo makes overclocking atm an impossibility).

Total Price is standing at $1356.00 + shipping. This includes the most expensive mobo I've linked (the ASUS Maximus IV) and the most expensive case (the Storm Trooper). The purpose of this is to see the maximum cost of all potential parts.

Thanking you,

yamman101
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January 26, 2012 3:05:38 PM

Looks like a really good roadmap of parts. The hdd is an exceptionally good one as I have one in this computer and I have never had a better one. exact same model. Even the caviar black I have used in many builds performed no better for me.

If you should choose an asrock board you should be ok with it, as I mentioned it earlier,they are great boards when they work. I if able to make the choice financially would go with the maximus as my last 5 customers have all wanted it after having seen its wonders. I built the first one for a guy and after that 4 more people he knew came to me within a month or so wanting the same basic computer. It is a great performer with all the bells and whistles.
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January 26, 2012 3:14:25 PM

Also is there any reason you are shopping @ pcCase gear? The price on the maximus mobo at newegg is only $179 and it seems that all of the parts you have chosen would be cheaper @ newegg,Amazon,or TegerDirect. The savings on the mobo alone is about $70 and in total without having added it all up your total savings could be as much as $150 by shopping elsewhere.
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January 26, 2012 3:26:50 PM

I was writing a reply to your original post yesterday but right when i got done, internet went down. But one thing i noticed is that those prices as pccasegear are much better than that other website. They are on par with US prices.

For the mobo, I personally wouldnt go for the mATX one, seems too crammed if you plan on going SLI/xfire. Ive been looking at the asrock extreme4 gen3 as well and even possibly the extreme3 gen3 vs asus p8z68-v pro gen3.

I read what Delirious788 said about DOA and faulty mobos, it speaks truth. Ive heard some hate Asrock support while some praise it. With Asus, i think it was a week ago and still happening on and off that one of the call centers is down as they are having technical issues. If I would do it today, i would go with the Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen3.

Cases: Personally i really like the Corsair cases
500r http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
400r http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
I feel Coolermaster and Corsair are at the top of cases, not sure about NZXT quality.
Heres a cooler master one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
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January 26, 2012 3:28:03 PM

rmiiirusty said:
Also is there any reason you are shopping @ pcCase gear? The price on the maximus mobo at newegg is only $179 and it seems that all of the parts you have chosen would be cheaper @ newegg,Amazon,or TegerDirect. The savings on the mobo alone is about $70 and in total without having added it all up your total savings could be as much as $150 by shopping elsewhere.



He said this prior:

I'll start by saying that I'm shopping at a site that's very close to where I live (so any complications can be handled in person (warranty and such).
I have looked into Newegg and found they do not ship to my country. Tigerdirect ships to my country, but at astronomical shipping fees ($100+ for a GPU shipping).
I haven't looked into Amazon (mainly because of the aforementioned possible complications).
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January 26, 2012 3:33:42 PM

wagass said:
He said this prior:

I'll start by saying that I'm shopping at a site that's very close to where I live (so any complications can be handled in person (warranty and such).
I have looked into Newegg and found they do not ship to my country. Tigerdirect ships to my country, but at astronomical shipping fees ($100+ for a GPU shipping).
I haven't looked into Amazon (mainly because of the aforementioned possible complications).


Yeah I knew this, I didn't mean to suggest that he shop those particular places only to show price comparisons and tell him to look around before his purchase. by shopping, (not at the places I mentioned necesarilly),but quote "elsewhere"
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January 26, 2012 3:36:27 PM

Ah, there is probably just a markup there, not as many options to shop at.
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January 26, 2012 3:49:37 PM

wagass said:
Ah, there is probably just a markup there, not as many options to shop at.



Yeah, another perfect example of the rich taking advantage of the common consumer.
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January 26, 2012 4:51:12 PM

the 1000watts psu is a waste of money. no more than a solid 850watts is needed. I would avoid corsair since i have heard a lot of bad psu from them lately (and it is a huge shock). Seasonic, Enermax, Cougar, Superflower, Antec, Corsair, XFX, OCZ in this order of preference.
If you go for the asus have a look at the xigmatec aegir as cooling solution, corsair A70 for the asrock (a little louder but equally efficient with the decelerator diodes). No need to compromise with the CM 212, it is a poor solution. Spending this much allows you to be a little picky on the cooling.
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January 26, 2012 6:15:52 PM

vx53c said:
the 1000watts psu is a waste of money. no more than a solid 850watts is needed. I would avoid corsair since i have heard a lot of bad psu from them lately (and it is a huge shock). Seasonic, Enermax, Cougar, Superflower, Antec, Corsair, XFX, OCZ in this order of preference.
If you go for the asus have a look at the xigmatec aegir as cooling solution, corsair A70 for the asrock (a little louder but equally efficient with the decelerator diodes). No need to compromise with the CM 212, it is a poor solution. Spending this much allows you to be a little picky on the cooling.

I have never heard of superflower. Where can I find their products so as to see what they offer?
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January 26, 2012 6:56:31 PM

super flower is a great psu company. kingwin usually rebrands their products in the states. try jonnyguru.com
also forgot to mention lepa, great psus.
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January 26, 2012 6:57:19 PM

You list SLI as a later option but ya MoBo don't support the feature. Bit more money but Id start here w/ an ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3

Drop to 2 x4 GB of low profile Corsair memory to pay for the difference.

PSU is over sized ....save 50 bucks and upgrade to these:

http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=CP-850
http://www.pcez.com.au/products/details?pn=DF-85

The PSU is 10.0 jonnyguru rated and quiet as can be. The case is a full tower w/ tons of cooling.

Quote:
I'm currently using a single 560ti for my GPU. I will probably upgrade to 2 560ti's when I have the money and the need.


The 850 watter will handle (2) 560's overclocked to well over 1000 MHz ...as wella s a 2500k at 5.0 Ghz.

Quote:
PSU: Corsair HX-1050 (chosen this to future proof my system)


No ! The HX series gets all 10.0 performance ratings from jonnyguru....except the 1000 and 1050 watters which while not complete clunkers are rather average PSU's that carry a premium price.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Get the HX850 or the CP-850 if ya want a 10.0 performance rated PSU ...... if ya willing to settle for 8.5 or 9.0, no need to pay HX prices for something that offers such a rather pedestrian 8.5 rating. Grab an XFX Core Edition for half the price .... it gets a9.5 performance rating.

If ya can afford the $20, move up to the Hyper 212's big brother ....the Hyper 612 PWM.....it will lower temps 5C compared to the 212.
http://www.pccasegear.com
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...


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January 27, 2012 1:17:30 AM

Thanks once again for the replies.

I've firmly decided on the Asus P8Z68 V Gen 3 mobo.

I've also been looking into the PSU conundrum for a while now and so far I've finally taken everyone's advice (took me a while aye :D ) and am now looking at 850W PSU's.

Currently stuck as to which to choose.

The Antec CP-850 seems like a great PSU for$145 (I'm quite intrigued with the front facing fan instead of normal bottom facing fan), but it requires me to also get a specific case to house it (not comfortable modding a case).
The only case that I would get for it would be the Antec DF-85, but I don't like the grills in-front of the optical drive bays (and the relatively small amount of only three 5.25'' bays).

I spotted the Enermax NAXN 850W for $179 (link below) and it seems like a good PSU, well made, but I've never heard of Enermax before so I'm a bit skeptical.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... (link to product)
http://www.eteknix.com/reviews/power-supplies/enermax-n... (link to a review I found, not sure how reputable the site is)

The Corsair HX-850 for $215 looks like a fine PSU, but the price tag is a bit on the highish side when compared to my other options.

I could really use some advice as to which is the best option to go with.

Also been looking into cases.
The CM Storm Enforcer for $99 seems good (price wise and features), but the need to remove the 3.25'' drive bays to make room for a longer GPU puts me off (upgradable and future proofing).

The CM Storm Trooper for $185 looks very well designed indeed, but that hefty price tag is off-putting.

Lastly the Corsair Carbide 500R for $159 looks to strike the perfect balance between price and features, but I know I have a gripe with it (can't remember for the life of me what it is atm, but will edit this post when I do remember).

Also note, I'm looking for a case that whilst not quintessential, I would like it to have an LED on/off switch and good airflow.

Thanking you,
yamma101
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January 27, 2012 1:49:02 AM

For the case , did you check out the coolermaster storm scout that I linked for you? It has really good air flow and it also has a button to turn off the lights in the fans. It is only around 69-89 dollars dep where you get it in america. I gave you a link to it on newegg with a video to watch. It has 5 5.25 in drive bays and plenty of room inside. It is concidered a mid tower case but is wide enough for a large cpu heatsink. I have a coolermaster v8 in mine. I cant remember if I linked mine I am selling on ebay but there are a few images there to see it. Keep in mind that though the pictures show pretty bright lighting it is because I have added 2 cathode lights and both fan lights are on. They can be turned off.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220936715416?ssPageName=STRK:ME...

The psu you liked Enermax should be good for you if you so choose. The are stable psu with good current as far as the reviews that I have seen. Also ,if you dont mind the color, this is a good one and would save you a few bucks and offer 50 more watts. Not that you need 50 more ,just a better price and the antec brand is slightly higher rated than enermax.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
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January 27, 2012 3:44:21 AM

Hey rmiiirusty,

Thanks for the quick reply.

I looked at the CM Storm Scout before and again just now. It seems perfect if not for a few issues.

- The lack of space between the mobo and the left side of the case (to help deal with cable management).
- The clear right side panel's fan mounting areas are exposed unless a fan is mounted there (easy access for dust).
- The case lacks space to accommodate some of the longer GPU's, such as the 6990 (hoping to keep this case for a long time and trends in GPU length could always change).
- Lack of USB 3.0 ports in the front.

If it wasn't for those I would get it.


Also about the PSU you linked.
I'm curious as to why the Antec High Current Gamer 900W Power Supply HCG-900 is $159 and the Antec High Current Pro 850W Power Supply HCP-850 is $209. What are the major differences between the two besides the Bronze rating on the Gamer version vs the Gold rating on the Pro version.

links:
Gamer http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
Pro http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Eagerly awaiting your reply,
yamman101

edit: I remembered what my gripe was with the Corsair Carbide 500R, the lights are meant to be really bright, but as I just found out again, it has a LED on/off switch so I will probably go with that.
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January 27, 2012 4:35:40 AM

I'm sure it has to do with the gold rating. It is allways going to be more desireable to have a better efficiency to use less power. Other than that I am not really sure why the price would be different. Maybe researching the actual components of each would show higher quality parts in the 850 compared to the 900. Maybe slightly less fluctuation in current or better heat control, but it seems like a psu designed for gaming psu's would have the better stuff.
Sometimes it just comes down to their cost.
i.e. They may have cut a deal for the 850 watt that requires them to charge more for the psu when the more available or overstocked 900 watt came cheaper to them.

All of this is speculation on my part and I am not sure.

I did however use one of the red 600w gamer series psu's in a recent build for a customer and I had no issues. He only wanted a single 560ti so I went with the 600w. He has had it over a month now and I have heard no complaints.
As far as the build, I had no trouble with the cables either with the plugs or the cables themselves. the cables were solid and good quality, and the psu was not loud at all.
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January 27, 2012 5:18:12 AM

Thanks for the quick reply again rmiiirusty.

I'm just wondering, with that Antec Gamer 900, because its non-modular, could I just 'shove' all the unused cables I don't need behind the mobo (in the Corsair Carbide 500R). Like behind the metal plate the mobo sits on, in between the aforementioned metal plate and the left side of the case?

The non-modular design of the Antec kinda makes me want to get the Enermax, but if I can do the above, then the Antec wins hands down.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... link to the Corsair Carbide 500R
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January 27, 2012 7:35:00 AM

I have the enermax nanx as you can see on my signature. fantastic piece of psu. can draw about 950ishwatts, silent with lots of cables.
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January 27, 2012 7:43:46 AM

Looks like your well on track now :) 

The Asus P8Z68 V Gen 3 is a great board. No problems there.

Cases: Corsair Carbide 500R is nice... bit of local knowledge for what ever reason we are paying a bit more comparatively for Corsair cases at the moment. (Probably because not many places stock them). Especially when you compare the features of this case which is $40 less:

CM HAF 922
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Still the 500R is a really solid looking, well constructed case.

PSUs: Personally I don't pay more for modular. A small amount of rearranging and everything will look tidy. I just want good brands that are well rated & reviewed. Gold ratings always have the high price attached, and if you do your research (like you are) you'll find good quality PSUs like the 80 plus Bronze from Antec, Corsair, XFX, Seasonic are the way to go. Keep in mind 750w would power SLI gtx560Tis.

On a separate note. I don't recommend purchasing from international websites. As tempting as those low prices might seem... Should you be unfortunate enough to have to make a warranty claim you could have a war on your hands. Also you could get stung at customs and forced to pay import duty. You'd be pretty unlucky, but I have heard on it happening. Depending on how much you spend seems to affect the likelihood of getting taxed (more than $850 or $1000... not too sure? I think it has changed recently). But yeah... that problems a warranty claim would give you is enough to turn me off.
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January 27, 2012 3:21:32 PM

Yeah, You must make the choice on your own as to modular or not. I only suggested the 900w gamer series because it would save you a few bucks over the links you posted. As long as you are 80+ and enough watts you should be fine. The enermax is also a good brand as mentioned above,.
Personally I usually go with a modular psu just for the fact of less wires to hide.
What I usually run into in either case is that weather modular or not, there are always more plugs on any given cable than I need and so there are always extra in my case.
Some times these extra plugs can be challenging to fit into tight places when you try to hide them ,but a solution can be found in most cases.

It is a bit overkill, but I have had customers who were anal about it and ended up buying many extention cables , so that I could hide the whole harness behind the motherboard and only bring out the extentions where needed. To me it seemed a little crazy. Unless you plan on leaving your case open and having it on display all the time. What is most important is to have the cables out of the way for airflow.
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