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January 25, 2012 11:41:10 PM

Hey So I'm building a budget office PC for my parents, with a budget of around $400 AUD/USD, and I'm wondering which of the following will be the best value. The machine will be mainly used for business applications, web-surfing, watching films, NO gaming at all. I will be using integrated graphics where possible, but a decently performing machine is still desirable. Overclocking is an option, providing it will be stable. I am not worried about future-proofing/upgradeability at this stage.
The choices are:

Intel Core i3-2100 integrated HD 2000 graphics (they dont stock 2105 here in aus) $120 + ASRock Z68 Pro3-M $110

AMD x4 A8-3870K integrated HD6550 graphics $145 + ASRock A75 Pro4 $95 + $? on cooling if overclocked?

AMD FX-4100 $123 + HD 6450 $33 + ASRock 970 Extreme 3 $99 + $? on cooling if overclocked?

Phenom IIs are out of stock already.
Also I may consider the i5 2320 $190 with the same Z68 mobo if it is really worth the extra $. It's not that I must get an ASRock, its just they seem to have the best value here.

Please comment on which of the above you think is the best option. Any constructive advice/feedback is appreciated. Thanks! :) 
January 25, 2012 11:46:42 PM

i3
January 25, 2012 11:47:37 PM

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i3
Any reasons for that?
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January 25, 2012 11:51:25 PM

uses less power, outperforms both cpus
January 25, 2012 11:55:22 PM

amuffin said:
uses less power, outperforms both cpus


I don't really mind power consumption, and it outperforms both CPUs at stock clocks, however for some reason the benchmarks are much higher for the other 2. My question is: will and overclocked A8 or FX4100 outperform the i3 2100?
January 26, 2012 12:27:17 AM

The A8 will give you better graphical performance and generally will be no different than the i3 in terms of noticeable cpu performance. In gpu accelerated environments it will be a lot better, web browsing on flash, java and html5 will enable this. Also for HD movies the hd 2000 sometimes have slight problems on different encodings.

don't bother with the FX as you'd need a gpu to go with it and its not really faster than the A8. The i3 isn't worth it unless you can get the HD 3000 and even then I'd still want the A8 chip's better graphical performance over the cpu performance. the A8 with the 4 cores at 3ghz you won't be able to tell the difference in general applications compare to the other 2 options but if you were to open a HD movie and try to browse graphically heavy webpages it could be noticeably slower. If you were to try any games it would run hands down better on the A8 as well.
January 26, 2012 1:10:44 AM

Yes, for your needs the A8-3570k is your best option, and if your looking for a good cooler the cooler master hyper 212+ is excellent and cheap compared to most others $29.99 USD
January 26, 2012 4:25:02 AM

I'm looking at the comparison in this review: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/A8-3870K-vs-Core...
and it seems that the performance for the i3-2100 is much better in areas that I need except for gaming and 3D rendering (neither of which I would need). However this is at stock clocks, and I'm not sure what changes would occur if the A8 is overclocked. What are your opinions on this?
January 26, 2012 4:39:45 AM

the difference would be unnoticeable if you were to actually be using it.
Get the i3 if you want, either will do for what you need. just remember what I wrote about the hd 2000.
January 26, 2012 4:54:11 AM

If you decide to go for the i3, a cheap dedicated gpu would be fine for movies and shouldn't cost you more than about 30 bucks (geforce 210 or a hd5450 for example)
January 26, 2012 5:14:40 AM

A8-3870K + Cheap cooler for overclock = $160
i3 2100 + HD 6450 = $153

Opinions?
January 26, 2012 5:20:27 AM

you should also get a cooler for the i3 just cause how crappy stock fans are.
January 26, 2012 5:21:19 AM

Apu's have no upgrade room.
January 26, 2012 5:23:09 AM

he doesn't want upgradability
January 26, 2012 6:30:01 AM

Of the three on raw cpu power the I3 2XXX chips are much stronger than the A8 and FX 4XXX chips, though it is the less feature rich chip.

i3 2100 - Pros: Fastest of the processors listed, efficient, runs cool and is cheap. Cons: No overclocking, HD 2000 is dog for gaming (I think its the 2125 that comes with HD3000, still not great but is better) with the right board you can use Intels SRT and LucidLogix to make certain apps quicker.

FX 4100 - Pros: Cheap, average CPU performance at highly threaded apps, can overclock Cons: Poor single threading performance, hot, badly marketed as a quad when it isn't one.

A8-3870K - Pros: Uses intels K suffix (joking) integrated CPU + GPU, game the best of the chips without a discrete card, makes Hybrid Xfire cheap as you only need a low level card to activate hybrid crossfire. Cons: Aging Cpu technology, slow computational performance. Dead end systems, when you buy it, there is no upgrade path.

If you are asking me on only these CPU's I would without a shadow of doubt go with;

i3 2100, If you really want to you can get a i5 2400 to cap it off.
Solid H61 motherboard - so cheap re selling them later for anything is not really a major drain on your finances nor a major loss
Solid DDR 1333 (8GB kit) - Performance DDR3 1333 is quick enough you will hardly notice a difference to 1600, RAM also keeps value well so you can resell nicely.
Solid PSU - Antec Earthwatts 430W is so cheap.
Better GPU - HD 6790's are selling at $100 range.

looking around the $500 mark.
January 26, 2012 6:49:20 AM

azeng97 said:
I don't really mind power consumption, and it outperforms both CPUs at stock clocks, however for some reason the benchmarks are much higher for the other 2. My question is: will and overclocked A8 or FX4100 outperform the i3 2100?


Simple, if you clock the FX 4100 highly it will match or beat the i3 at the single thread level, on highly multithreaded apps the fx is marginally better already, but both are not designed for highly threaded applications.

The A8 is just not a good chip for CPU power, on CPU potential alone the i3 pretty much schools it. Simply put Intels CPU technology is comfortably ahead of AMD, take the fact that the 8150 is ranked and not beating the Nahelem processors of 2008/9 is indications of just where AMD is, soon to be 2-3 generations behind. Sure the AMDs have some victories in high threading apps but they are very marginal so as to negate the arguement.


FX 4100 is in the do not consider catagory along with the FX 6100, the A8's are interesting for multimedia platforms but weak for a gamer, particularly once you require a GPU that negates the Hybrid Xfire feature. I also don't recommend you buy Phenom2's as it is very old technology now.
January 26, 2012 6:58:39 AM

I3 is old technology too, and notice it said budget build and no gaming... don't see why people are so deadset to turn everything into a intel vs amd fanboy war here.
OP, I'm sure either of these will do fine for just some business applications and movies for years, personally I'd recommend the i3 with that 6450.
January 26, 2012 7:09:44 AM

I don't know who you are refering to, but I don't see any fanboism here, I did give specs around the $500+ mark, considering a budget was not stipulated that seems very budgety to me.

I did state that the A8 is good for Multimedia and HT but not a purpose built gaming option, thats not far out is it? And yes SB is getting old but surely not as old as Phenoms unless I missed something.

FX vs i3 its like taking a Chev Lumina SS, sure its impressive can be tuned up and may look and sound impressive, but it is not the BMW M3, that said the i3 is generally better bar high threading, in which case neither chip is. Anyhoo fanboy arguements whatever. Let me lie to you to address the fanboism arguement, get the FX 4100 and a decent motherboard which will cost another $140 or so and a decent GPU that is needed to stop that thing from crying.

Just about every Tom, Dick and Harry that know infinately more than anyone here has catagorically written off the FX, they have stated that the APU's are great HT systems, and blown intels whistle while complaining about the fact that Intel sandbag consumers. If you say intel is better even if true, you are a team blue fanboy, if you justify team red you are a AMD fanboy, what about if you are like me and you don't give a toss about what color it is and just want the best for the allocated budget.
January 26, 2012 7:13:00 AM

the A8 is faster than the FX in cpu power, it is within 5% of phenoms which are just slightly faster than the A8 clocked at the same frequency. The FX can probably reach 4.4 ghz OC and is the most powerful cpu once you OC but power consumption and heat could be a problem. The A8 can OC to 3.6 easily and higher with a bit of tweaking, it will start to be more powerful than the i3 at these frequencies.

Just read some review of llano and see, they are great little chips for everyday needs and have gpu power to back them up while needed. The chip is also 100 watts which is gpu + cpu so it has lower power draw than the i3 or the FX if you decide to add a gpu in there.

this is a good one, the i3 2100 is pretty much like the i5 661 in the review in terms of performance, with about 5% more performance.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-a8-3870k-review/1
January 26, 2012 7:19:14 AM

sarinaide said:
I don't know who you are refering to, but I don't see any fanboism here, I did give specs around the $500+ mark, considering a budget was not stipulated that seems very budgety to me.

I did state that the A8 is good for Multimedia and HT but not a purpose built gaming option, thats not far out is it? And yes SB is getting old but surely not as old as Phenoms unless I missed something.

FX vs i3 its like taking a Chev Lumina SS, sure its impressive can be tuned up and may look and sound impressive, but it is not the BMW M3, that said the i3 is generally better bar high threading, in which case neither chip is. Anyhoo fanboy arguements whatever. Let me lie to you to address the fanboism arguement, get the FX 4100 and a decent motherboard which will cost another $140 or so and a decent GPU that is needed to stop that thing from crying.

Just about every Tom, Dick and Harry that know infinately more than anyone here has catagorically written off the FX, they have stated that the APU's are great HT systems, and blown intels whistle while complaining about the fact that Intel sandbag consumers. If you say intel is better even if true, you are a team blue fanboy, if you justify team red you are a AMD fanboy, what about if you are like me and you don't give a toss about what color it is and just want the best for the allocated budget.


lol ok thanks for input, although I did specify a budget of $400, since this is a home office machine, not gaming rig. If I had a budget of $500, things would change a lot, and I would be looking at i5s, rather than investing in a VGA that won't be used.
January 26, 2012 7:21:22 AM

esrever said:
the A8 is faster than the FX in cpu power, it is within 5% of phenoms which are just slightly faster than the A8 clocked at the same frequency. The FX can probably reach 4.4 ghz OC and is the most powerful cpu once you OC but power consumption and heat could be a problem. The A8 can OC to 3.6 easily and higher with a bit of tweaking, it will start to be more powerful than the i3 at these frequencies.

Just read some review of llano and see, they are great little chips for everyday needs and have gpu power to back them up while needed. The chip is also 100 watts which is gpu + cpu so it has lower power draw than the i3 or the FX if you decide to add a gpu in there.

this is a good one, the i3 2100 is pretty much like the i5 661 in the review in terms of performance, with about 5% more performance.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-a8-3870k-review/1


The FX4100 is pretty much out of the question here, as with the cooling and VGA costs added, I would pretty much be able to get an i5, and that would definitely be up a rank in terms of performance.
January 26, 2012 7:22:36 AM

esrever said:
the A8 is faster than the FX in cpu power, it is within 5% of phenoms which are just slightly faster than the A8 clocked at the same frequency. The FX can probably reach 4.4 ghz OC and is the most powerful cpu once you OC but power consumption and heat could be a problem. The A8 can OC to 3.6 easily and higher with a bit of tweaking, it will start to be more powerful than the i3 at these frequencies.

Just read some review of llano and see, they are great little chips for everyday needs and have gpu power to back them up while needed. The chip is also 100 watts which is gpu + cpu so it has lower power draw than the i3 or the FX if you decide to add a gpu in there.

this is a good one, the i3 2100 is pretty much like the i5 661 in the review in terms of performance, with about 5% more performance.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-a8-3870k-review/1


I consider these arguements fallacy though, you are taking a stock chip against highly overclocked chips to only get marginal or equal gains. The fact that Overclocking is not something that should mandatorily be done considering the effect it has on a the system. I do agree with what you have said though.
January 26, 2012 7:28:35 AM

well, you can get a build arround any of the cpus for $400 or less if you cut them down. A cheap motherboard for any of the system can be had for about $60 and really, you won't need the extra features of the more expensive motherboard with a build like this.

I'd get a new cpu fan for any system just because it makes the machine run cooler and often quieter. Stock fans barely stand up to the tasks they are given.

as for the i5, I don't think you would need it. sure it gives more performance but for something like this, it will just go to waste. The difference of an i5 and a i3 and any of these systems are unnoticeable in the thing you described. Even an old c2d can do all that with no lag what so ever, just need good ram and ok gpu for the movies.
January 26, 2012 7:42:02 AM

CPU - $120
MOBO - $60
RAM - $25

Ultra cheap, but enough.

The intel boards are good for cheap and have great connectivity and features for that price.
January 26, 2012 7:48:52 AM

Well i'm looking at this:

CPU: $120 or $145
Mobo: $90-100
RAM: $20
adds up to $380 around.
January 26, 2012 7:50:21 AM

I do not undestand why would you want to OC the cpu.. for the usage you need it would be better to maintain the stock clock and focus into energy saving methods. (Like NO OC... specially at the hungry FX-4100).

Considering your usage the best choices would be i3-2105 from intel (would be my first choice due to 65w thermal design) or the A8-3870k / A8-3850 from AMD (remember, you just don't need the OC, you need stability so your parents have a reliable PC)

Since you can get the AMD one, go for it, it have the best iGPU to date
January 26, 2012 7:55:07 AM

Quote:
I do not undestand why would you want to OC the cpu.. for the usage you need it would be better to maintain the stock clock and focus into energy saving methods. (Like NO OC... specially at the hungry FX-4100).

Considering your usage the best choices would be i3-2105 from intel (would be my first choice due to 65w thermal design) or the A8-3870k / A8-3850 from AMD (remember, you just don't need the OC, you need stability so your parents have a reliable PC)

Since you can get the AMD one, go for it, it have the best iGPU to date


I kind of tend towards this, the APU's apart from the negitives and the fact that it is future locked it is cheap and great for a HTPC and basic home system. Alternatively the i3 is just really good at what it can do.
January 26, 2012 7:59:21 AM

Do you considered a smaller mobo?
Due to this usage you could assemble a minicase for them. Go for a mini-ATX mobo format, like the ASRock A75 PRO4-M
Or try look for this other 2 motherboards, it's expensive, but they have even integrated dual wi-fi antennas
ZOTAC A75ITX-A-E FM1 or ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe

For the AMD system, get DDR3 1600mhz or 1833mhz
Doing this you will extract the best performance from the iGPU, the performance is very sensitive from the memory speed point of view.
And you DON'T need anything over 4GB

AMD Llano DDR3 Memory Scalability:
Wasting iGPU power - 1333mhz or lower / Great performance - 1600mhz / Best performance - 1833mhz / Wasting money - more than 1833mhz
January 26, 2012 9:19:10 AM

I dont really know where you goofballs get this "A8 is slow" nonsense from.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=289

Ignoring Intel biased Sysmark, Intel's only really beating it in low threaded apps and gaming (not a concern here). Applications that need processing power are more likely to be optimized for multiple threads, A8 wins on that front.

Unless you really don't care about a GPU at all, go with the A8. You're getting slightly less CPU and a LOT more GPU. GPUs aren't just for gaming anymore with hardware accelerated internet browsers and media players. If you needed to roll back the price even more, you could even go down to an A6 and still get a better GPU.
January 26, 2012 9:20:25 AM

vitornob said:
Do you considered a smaller mobo?
Due to this usage you could assemble a minicase for them. Go for a mini-ATX mobo format, like the ASRock A75 PRO4-M
Or try look for this other 2 motherboards, it's expensive, but they have even integrated dual wi-fi antennas
ZOTAC A75ITX-A-E FM1 or ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe

For the AMD system, get DDR3 1600mhz or 1833mhz
Doing this you will extract the best performance from the iGPU, the performance is very sensitive from the memory speed point of view.
And you DON'T need anything over 4GB

AMD Llano DDR3 Memory Scalability:
Wasting iGPU power - 1333mhz or lower / Great performance - 1600mhz / Best performance - 1833mhz / Wasting money - more than 1833mhz


I am planning on getting the Cooler Master Elite 360 Case, which is both ATX and mATX, but even smaller than most mATX cases. I don't need a WLAN card as I already have one from my own rig that I don't need. So yeah its pretty much down to i3 2100 + 6450 vs A8-3870K with a cooler.
January 26, 2012 9:43:03 AM

azeng97 said:
I am planning on getting the Cooler Master Elite 360 Case, which is both ATX and mATX, but even smaller than most mATX cases. I don't need a WLAN card as I already have one from my own rig that I don't need. So yeah its pretty much down to i3 2100 + 6450 vs A8-3870K with a cooler.


I see, I would only recommend a quiet cooler, more than a performance cooler. You REALLY don't need to OC anything there.
And for hassle free I would recommend the A8-3870K, more than i3 + VGA. Less hardware, less unused connections, less problems, less drivers..
January 26, 2012 10:19:17 AM

If it is a work PC, why on earth are you wanting a discrete card? HD 2000/3000 is more than enough to run a work PC. What kind of work are we talking about here, if it is just office then the talk of multithreading is just folly, in which case a i3+mobo is better than the more expensive Llano+mobo. You also may as well just throw in value RAM which is for the most part cheap.

If we are talking about heavy cpu intensive work and threading then none of the processesors are what you want.
January 26, 2012 11:57:54 AM

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January 26, 2012 4:50:30 PM

Just hear me out, depending on the CPU also depends on if you get Onbard display with your motherboard or not. Getting an I3, you would get onboard display for most of the boards, just like if you get the A8 you would get onboard video. So unless you wanna get a cheap video card for a display port, your not gonna be gaming just get a A8 i promise you will be happy with performance. You don't need to Overclock, you don't need a "Ultimate" case and the high performance Cooler. Just do like the guy said get a 30$ or 40$ after market cooler a A8 and if someone could recommend a good Motherboard, that would be helpful!
January 26, 2012 5:03:12 PM

I find it funny that you want to overclock your parents home/office PC. Not to mention your choice of motherboard. His parents obviously aren't going to be gaming either. Just buy the i3 2100, due to the upgrade path and the fact that your parents most likely aren't going to need more than 2 cores. No need to invest into an aftermarket cooler, it's not gonna speed up internet explorer load times.
Add 4GB of memory and a $60 motherboard, how much simpler could this build get?
Edit: No need for a discrete GPU, recommending one for this build is dumb.
January 26, 2012 6:47:23 PM

azeng97 said:
The machine will be mainly used for business applications, web-surfing, watching films, NO gaming at all. I will be using integrated graphics where possible, but a decently performing machine is still desirable. Overclocking is an option, providing it will be stable. I am not worried about future-proofing/upgradeability at this stage.


Ignore FX.

Now,

Business applications: i3, A8 both are fine, assuming the programs are not graphically intensive, otherwise, if they are, then go for the A8.

Web surfing: Both are fine, even with accelerated stuff. Though i know Angry birds for Chrome sucked on an mobile Arrendale i3 on integrated graphics. Shouldn't be an issue for HD 2000, though i think HD 300 is a safer bet.

Films: Both are fine, even with 1080p vids my 9600GT downclocked to 300 MHz has about 4% GPU usage, so the GPU is a non-issue. If some media codecs cause problems, turn off hardware acceleration.

Can't see what you'd achieve from overclocking.

grumbledook said:
I3 is old technology too, and notice it said budget build and no gaming... don't see why people are so deadset to turn everything into a intel vs amd fanboy war here.
OP, I'm sure either of these will do fine for just some business applications and movies for years, personally I'd recommend the i3 with that 6450.


lol this i3 is a current gen product. Llano is based on Athlon architecture ("Stars" i believe)...the FX series was a step back in single threaded perf, arguably the most important here.

vitornob said:
I do not undestand why would you want to OC the cpu.. for the usage you need it would be better to maintain the stock clock and focus into energy saving methods. (Like NO OC... specially at the hungry FX-4100).

Considering your usage the best choices would be i3-2105 from intel (would be my first choice due to 65w thermal design) or the A8-3870k / A8-3850 from AMD (remember, you just don't need the OC, you need stability so your parents have a reliable PC)

Since you can get the AMD one, go for it, it have the best iGPU to date


vitornob said:
I see, I would only recommend a quiet cooler, more than a performance cooler. You REALLY don't need to OC anything there.
And for hassle free I would recommend the A8-3870K, more than i3 + VGA. Less hardware, less unused connections, less problems, less drivers..

Agree completely with both. Though i doubt he'll even need a ext GPU with the i3...plus with an H67/Z68 board the IGP can be overclocked...

sarinaide said:
If it is a work PC, why on earth are you wanting a discrete card? HD 2000/3000 is more than enough to run a work PC. What kind of work are we talking about here, if it is just office then the talk of multithreading is just folly, in which case a i3+mobo is better than the more expensive Llano+mobo. You also may as well just throw in value RAM which is for the most part cheap.

If we are talking about heavy cpu intensive work and threading then none of the processesors are what you want.

Agree with this too. Yeah CPU intensive work would be better off with an i5.


BS on passmark. they use the IGP, so that bends the score in the graphics benchies. Anandtech link was a better indicator.
================

Dude imo if the most graphically challenging thing the comp will do is decode movies, then pick the cheaper option. If both are the same price, go with energy efficiency.
If transcoding films and file compression is on the cards then i'd go with the i3, if no then the A8.

At normal tasks they'll both be good, when the task is processor intensive and time matters then the i3 will be a better, if it's graphics involved then the A8 will be superior.
January 26, 2012 7:06:28 PM

The FX doesnt have an IGP , and the results are far more indicative of day to day use than anandtechs benches that dont reflect a computer anyone is actually going to build

Its a simple case of 4 psuedo-cores running four real threads being better than two cores running two threads and a couple of very weak hyperthreads

As for your initial comment
" ignore FX "

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-7-hotfix-bu...

In these pages you see an FX 8150 performing at the same level [ give or take ] on Tomshardware test suite as the 2500k.
The FX is well worth considering
January 26, 2012 7:33:24 PM

Eh? oh yeah didn't strike me. Sorry! I dunno i saw stuff that seemed to sugest IGP inclusion in PassMark results on something so that idea just stuck.

Anyway, that link you point to is the flagship FX, so the comparison is invalid. We're not debating 2500k vs 8150.

I'd point to the recent SBM that used the FX-6100:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossf...

Wasn't looking at the synthetics in Anand's benchmarks.

And, from the link you provide, i think this chart pretty much says it all:

January 26, 2012 7:44:23 PM

For a home PC, CPU performance among these is probably not going to matter at all. Graphics performance, however, might. Lower power probably does, especially with its attendants, less noise and less heat. If I were building this, I'd try to use the CPU the OP specifically states is not available, the i3-2105. Second choice would be the AMD Llano; better to have the graphics muscle and not need it, than to need it and not have it (until/unless a discrete GPU is added). Thus, for simplicity, I'd say the Llano wins because it is inclusive. Motherboard, CPU, drivers from mobo CD, done. Sure, most of "us" would go download the latest drivers, perhaps individually, and tweak things left and right, but this PC needs to be as turnkey as possible (without sacrificing ultimate autonomy to Apple), and stable. You don't even need the A8; if the A6 or even an A4 is notably cheaper, it will be fine for the intended uses of this PC. Add 4GB of RAM; I like G.Skill, but it is hard to go wrong. DDR3-1333 or DDR3-1600 will perform so similarly as to not make a difference. Get CAS9; it probably isn't worth getting anything faster, and only really cheap stuff is any slower. Make sure it is 1.5V or less (personally, I like the 1.35V RAM I'm using).
January 26, 2012 8:01:17 PM

Onus said:
For a home PC, CPU performance among these is probably not going to matter at all. Graphics performance, however, might. Lower power probably does, especially with its attendants, less noise and less heat. If I were building this, I'd try to use the CPU the OP specifically states is not available, the i3-2105. Second choice would be the AMD Llano; better to have the graphics muscle and not need it, than to need it and not have it (until/unless a discrete GPU is added). Thus, for simplicity, I'd say the Llano wins because it is inclusive. Motherboard, CPU, drivers from mobo CD, done. Sure, most of "us" would go download the latest drivers, perhaps individually, and tweak things left and right, but this PC needs to be as turnkey as possible (without sacrificing ultimate autonomy to Apple), and stable. You don't even need the A8; if the A6 or even an A4 is notably cheaper, it will be fine for the intended uses of this PC. Add 4GB of RAM; I like G.Skill, but it is hard to go wrong. DDR3-1333 or DDR3-1600 will perform so similarly as to not make a difference. Get CAS9; it probably isn't worth getting anything faster, and only really cheap stuff is any slower. Make sure it is 1.5V or less (personally, I like the 1.35V RAM I'm using).

Yeah i guess you're right really.... OP go with llano.
January 26, 2012 10:35:28 PM

ojas said:


Anyway, that link you point to is the flagship FX, so the comparison is invalid. We're not debating 2500k vs 8150.

I'd point to the recent SBM that used the FX-6100:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossf...



The FX 4100 is close enough to half of an FX 8150
and the i3 2100 is close enough to an i5 2600 for the comparison to be worthwhile

What is NOT valid is comparing the builder marathon computers where a $160 AMD cpu is compared to a $220 intel cpu . Anyone who thinks this proves the intel is fundamentally better is probably more than just a bit stupid .


But FWIW I actually agree with jtt . The Llano is the better configuration for this build
January 27, 2012 5:29:02 AM

Alright I've pretty much decided that I'm going with the AMD A8-3870K APU. Here are build details, please comment:

APU: AMD A8-3870K $145

Mobo: ASRock A75M-HVS $80 OR A75 Pro4 $95 (please advise)

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM $77

RAM: Patriot DDR3 1333 2GB x 2 $20 (already have this)

CPU HSF: Aywun RADI A1-V4 $17 OR Cooler Master Hyper 101 $18 (please advise)

PSU: Aywun MegaPower Eco 550W 80+ $25 (big discount from $58) OR Cooler Master (Seventeam) 420W $22 (the stock one that comes with Elite cases)

Case: Cooler Master Elite 360 $43

Optical Drive: LiteOn DVD-RW $21

Total: $415 - $445

PS. Build for Jan-Feb 2012, $400-$450 budget, building in Sydney AUS (any shop is OK)
Main Purposes: Value, Practicality, Stability
January 27, 2012 5:37:22 AM

fatfatr said:
I find it funny that you want to overclock your parents home/office PC. Not to mention your choice of motherboard. His parents obviously aren't going to be gaming either. Just buy the i3 2100, due to the upgrade path and the fact that your parents most likely aren't going to need more than 2 cores. No need to invest into an aftermarket cooler, it's not gonna speed up internet explorer load times.
Add 4GB of memory and a $60 motherboard, how much simpler could this build get?
Edit: No need for a discrete GPU, recommending one for this build is dumb.


Overclocking is fine with me because it allows us to get to the maximum potential of the CPU. And what is wrong with my choice of motherboard? Also I did say there is no point of an so called upgrade path, since I wouldnt want to run an Ivy Bridge on such a bad motherboard. An aftermarket cooler is quieter (important) and will keep the CPU at lower temperatures, thus prolonging lifespan and being more stable. Agree?
January 27, 2012 7:25:59 AM

Outlander_04 said:
The FX 4100 is close enough to half of an FX 8150
and the i3 2100 is close enough to an i5 2600 for the comparison to be worthwhile

What is NOT valid is comparing the builder marathon computers where a $160 AMD cpu is compared to a $220 intel cpu . Anyone who thinks this proves the intel is fundamentally better is probably more than just a bit stupid .


But FWIW I actually agree with jtt . The Llano is the better configuration for this build

*groan* i wasn't...ok...let's compare it with the i5 2400 used in the $600 one?



azeng97 said:
Alright I've pretty much decided that I'm going with the AMD A8-3870K APU. Here are build details, please comment:

APU: AMD A8-3870K $145

Mobo: ASRock A75M-HVS $80 OR A75 Pro4 $95 (please advise)

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM $77

RAM: Patriot DDR3 1333 2GB x 2 $20 (already have this)

CPU HSF: Aywun RADI A1-V4 $17 OR Cooler Master Hyper 101 $18 (please advise)

PSU: Aywun MegaPower Eco 550W 80+ $25 (big discount from $58) OR Cooler Master (Seventeam) 420W $22 (the stock one that comes with Elite cases)

Case: Cooler Master Elite 360 $43

Optical Drive: LiteOn DVD-RW $21

Total: $415 - $445

PS. Build for Jan-Feb 2012, $400-$450 budget, building in Sydney AUS (any shop is OK)
Main Purposes: Value, Practicality, Stability

I think go with the PRO mobo...CM hyper 212+ or TX3 may be a better choice...i can't say much about Aywun, i guess go with the included PSU...

azeng97 said:
Overclocking is fine with me because it allows us to get to the maximum potential of the CPU. And what is wrong with my choice of motherboard? Also I did say there is no point of an so called upgrade path, since I wouldnt want to run an Ivy Bridge on such a bad motherboard. An aftermarket cooler is quieter (important) and will keep the CPU at lower temperatures, thus prolonging lifespan and being more stable. Agree?

Agreed.
January 27, 2012 9:14:40 AM

@ ojas Re. the cooler, mATX cases can't fit such large coolers. My Sharkoon T9 mid tower case only just fits the Xigmatek Gaia, which is pretty similar to 212+. Anyway, thanks on your advice :) 
January 27, 2012 9:57:42 AM

ojas said:
Eh? oh yeah didn't strike me. Sorry! I dunno i saw stuff that seemed to sugest IGP inclusion in PassMark results on something so that idea just stuck.

Anyway, that link you point to is the flagship FX, so the comparison is invalid. We're not debating 2500k vs 8150.

I'd point to the recent SBM that used the FX-6100:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossf...

Wasn't looking at the synthetics in Anand's benchmarks.

And, from the link you provide, i think this chart pretty much says it all:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/O/6/323574/original/image024.png


+100 :bounce:  :bounce: 
January 27, 2012 12:55:51 PM

Oh...man i'm doing half-baked stuff here...lol sorry about that (again0. Man i feel slow today. Yeah the Gaia is also a pretty good one.
January 27, 2012 3:47:22 PM

azeng97 said:
@ ojas Re. the cooler, mATX cases can't fit such large coolers. My Sharkoon T9 mid tower case only just fits the Xigmatek Gaia, which is pretty similar to 212+. Anyway, thanks on your advice :) 


really?

I have a an m-ATX case with a scythe Ninja in it . I had no idea it wouldnt fit
January 27, 2012 3:55:26 PM

ojas said:
*groan* i wasn't...ok...let's compare it with the i5 2400 used in the $600 one?

http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/A/319150/original/image028.png





Groan X2
The 15 2400 costs more than the FX 6100.
You'd expect it to perform better too .

We have known for years that X6 processors do not perform better than X4 processors in Gaming . Games just cant make use of the 6 threads .
For that reason the lower clocked FX 6100 is spanked in gaming by the FX 4100 .
Your comparisons are only meaningful in context , and the context you choose is nonsense .

As for efficiency : The power difference you are talking about is less than the power required to run a single light bulb WHEN THE MACHINE IS RUNNING AT 100% LOAD. Most of the time the difference will be much less . Much less .
Even Anandtech can tell you that the FX opterons handle more threads and move more data than equivalent xeons USING LESS POWER .
!