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May 17, 2005 5:08:59 PM

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Hi there...

Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D - ie.
value for money, ease of use, pic quality?

Thanks!
Frank C
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May 17, 2005 5:09:00 PM

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http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/20d.html

Bill Crocker


"Frankc" <frankc01@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Hi there...
>
> Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D - ie.
> value for money, ease of use, pic quality?
>
> Thanks!
> Frank C
>
>
>
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 5:09:00 PM

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"Frankc" <frankc01@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Hi there...
>
> Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D - ie.
> value for money, ease of use, pic quality?

Excellent cam, very good value. No regrets since switching.

>
> Thanks!
> Frank C
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Anonymous
May 17, 2005 5:09:00 PM

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I bought the 20D as my first dSLR in mid September, and since then I
have taken 3700 images. Comming from a completely manual SLR (needle
match metering, no AF, thumb crank) the transition to the 20D was quick
and easy. Due to my previous camera "mind set" I am happiest with this
camera in Av and M modes. I found/find it quite easy to con into doing
what I want done. IN addition, the immediate feedback with the LCD and
histogram have greatly imporved my ability to get an accurate exposure
(compared to film).

Picture quality (assuming accurate exposure, and accurate focus) is
excellent. Shooting RAW enables full control over white balance and
color tonality.

I think the 20D is an excellent value for the money, and with the size
of my hands, a better fit than the 350D.

The 20D is in mid-production life right now, due to be replaced about
next spring-summer.

Mitch
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May 17, 2005 5:09:00 PM

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 13:08:59 GMT, "Frankc" <frankc01@dodo.com.au>
wrote:

>Hi there...
>
>Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D - ie.
>value for money, ease of use, pic quality?

Moved to one in March and have not looked back. Excellent value and
the Canon Lenses for it are outstanding. The only down side is I makes
me want an 1Ds MKII.

As for ease of use I shot only in manual mode and it's very good to
use that way particularly with the extended grip added and the
duplicated controls for vertical format.

Picture quality is outstanding. I would not how ever waste money on
the kit lenses buy the body and get a one of Canon's better lenses.
The 17-40L with the crop factor is a good starting point.


******************************************************************

"The past is foreign country: they do things differently there."

_The Go-Between_
L.P. Hartley
1895 - 1972
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 5:38:30 PM

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You might also want to check out the new Canon Digital Rebel XT. Almost as
good, for a LOT less money. Apply the surplus to extra lenses!

Bill Crocker


"Frankc" <frankc01@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:4289ecea$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> Hi there...
>
> Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D - ie.
> value for money, ease of use, pic quality?
>
> Thanks!
> Frank C
>
>
>
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 10:43:27 PM

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Bill Crocker wrote:

>You might also want to check out the new Canon Digital Rebel XT. Almost as
>good, for a LOT less money. Apply the surplus to extra lenses!
>
>Bill Crocker
>
>

Would you please be more detailed on your response. I pose the same
question. If there any advantage in either the result or producing the
result with the 20D over the DRXT?

>
>"Frankc" <frankc01@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:4289ecea$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>
>
>>Hi there...
>>
>>Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D - ie.
>>value for money, ease of use, pic quality?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Frank C
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Anonymous
May 17, 2005 11:21:15 PM

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"Frankc" <frankc01@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:4289ecea$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> Hi there...
>
> Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D - ie.
> value for money, ease of use, pic quality?

1/ Good value. It's a well-built camera and performs mostly as expected.
2/ Excellent ease of use. The buttons and controls are well planned.
3/ Excellent picture quality.
4/ You didn't ask, but there are lockup issues reported by some users (I am
one of them).
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 11:52:43 PM

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Frankc wrote:

> Hi there...
>
> Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D - ie.
> value for money, ease of use, pic quality?


As I understand the 300D has a 1-1/2 second startup delay. I assume the
20D does not. My D70 is pretty much instantaneous. I think the 20D has a
bigger brighter viewfinder, I'm rather dissapointed in my D70 compared
to a 35mm film viewfinder though it's miles ahead of a P&S. I think the
noise improvement is significant but the 300/350 is significantly better
than my D70 & the D70 is again miles ahead of a P&S & way better than
film for noise/grain at high ISO.

I would also seriously consider the option of a 300 or 350 and putting
the rest of the money towards super lenses. I'm certain the lens is more
important than the camera unless you have very specific professional
requirements in which case you would probably pay for the best of both
worlds anyways.



--
Paul Furman
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Anonymous
May 18, 2005 12:24:42 AM

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> You might also want to check out the new Canon Digital Rebel XT. Almost
> as good, for a LOT less money. Apply the surplus to extra lenses!
>
> Bill Crocker

Except that I still haven't seen the definitive answer to low-noise
capabilities between the two cameras. Nearly all reviews I've read on the
20D promoted its phenomenal low-noise at high ISOs. Some of them
specifically compared it to the Rebel 300 and said the 20D was better. But
then you read the Rebel 350 reviews, which say that the noise is as
well-controlled as the 20D (albeit without an ISO 3200 option), and similar
to the Rebel 300.

So I don't get it. the Rebel 300 was known to be very good in the
low-noise/high ISO department, but it seems its history is being re-written
such that it's now on par with cameras that are regarded as great, nearly
phenomenal in that department.

All I really want to know is this- How does the 20D, at ISO 800 & 1600,
compare to the 350XT? I suspect I'll be shooting quite a bit at ISO 800.

Thanks-

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

"Bill Crocker" <wcrocker007@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> You might also want to check out the new Canon Digital Rebel XT. Almost
> as good, for a LOT less money. Apply the surplus to extra lenses!
>
> Bill Crocker
>
>
> "Frankc" <frankc01@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4289ecea$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>> Hi there...
>>
>> Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D - ie.
>> value for money, ease of use, pic quality?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Frank C
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 1:09:39 AM

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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com>

> Would you please be more detailed on your response. I pose the same
> question. If there any advantage in either the result or producing the
> result with the 20D over the DRXT?


Why don't you look at the indepth reviews and comparisons of these cameras
in www.dpreview.com and www.steves-digicams.com and make up your mind?

Carrigman
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 1:26:07 AM

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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>You might also want to check out the new Canon Digital Rebel XT. Almost
>>as good, for a LOT less money. Apply the surplus to extra lenses!
>>
>>Bill Crocker
>
>
> Except that I still haven't seen the definitive answer to low-noise
> capabilities between the two cameras. Nearly all reviews I've read on the
> 20D promoted its phenomenal low-noise at high ISOs. Some of them
> specifically compared it to the Rebel 300 and said the 20D was better. But
> then you read the Rebel 350 reviews, which say that the noise is as
> well-controlled as the 20D (albeit without an ISO 3200 option), and similar
> to the Rebel 300.
>
> So I don't get it. the Rebel 300 was known to be very good in the
> low-noise/high ISO department, but it seems its history is being re-written
> such that it's now on par with cameras that are regarded as great, nearly
> phenomenal in that department.
>
> All I really want to know is this- How does the 20D, at ISO 800 & 1600,
> compare to the 350XT? I suspect I'll be shooting quite a bit at ISO 800.
>
> Thanks-
>
Was the 10D/300 good in low noise? Yes.

Is the 20D better? Yes.

Is the difference noticeable/significant/non-trivial? Yes.

Is the 20D better at low noise than the 350XT? Don't know.

You should look at the review images on www.dpreview.com and judge for
yourself.

--

J

www.urbanvoyeur.com
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 2:58:24 AM

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Paul Furman wrote:
> Frankc wrote:
>
>> Hi there...
>>
>> Can someone please provide some user feedback for the Canon EOS 20D
>> - ie. value for money, ease of use, pic quality?
>
>
> As I understand the 300D has a 1-1/2 second startup delay. I assume
> the 20D does not. My D70 is pretty much instantaneous. I think the
> 20D has a bigger brighter viewfinder, I'm rather dissapointed in my
> D70 compared to a 35mm film viewfinder though it's miles ahead of a
> P&S. I think the noise improvement is significant but the 300/350 is
> significantly better than my D70 & the D70 is again miles ahead of a
> P&S & way better than film for noise/grain at high ISO.
>
> I would also seriously consider the option of a 300 or 350 and
> putting
> the rest of the money towards super lenses. I'm certain the lens is
> more important than the camera unless you have very specific
> professional requirements in which case you would probably pay for
> the best of both worlds anyways.

I got the 20D and have acclimated pretty well. Then followed with a
RebXT for second-camera/lens and backup use. And that's the way it's
going to be.

The 20D is heavier and bulkier but much easier to handle in a
photographic sense. The controls are more accessible and smoother. It
gets out of my way, whereas the RebXT struggles against me, just a
little, when I want to make some changes.

Similarly configured (in-camera sharpening, saturation, etc. OFF) the
image produced is esssentially indistiguishable, one from the other.

Either would make a fine principal camera, but having experienced
both, one in each hand, so to speak, I'd plunk down the extra dollars
to get the 20D. No buyer's remorse, no what-ifs. Just Point And Shoot,
in the best possible sense.

--
Frank ess
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 4:30:40 AM

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"The 20D is heavier and bulkier but much easier to handle in a
photographic sense. The controls are more accessible and smoother. It
gets out of my way, whereas the RebXT struggles against me, just a
little, when I want to make some changes. "

Yep. This is the reason I bought my 20D. If I couldn't have afforded
the higher priced camera, I still don't think I would have bought a
Rebel XT. The usability is everything.
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 4:49:20 AM

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" If there any advantage in either the result or producing the
result with the 20D over the DRXT?"

They are almost the same camera. For everything you are likely to
actually need, they are nearly identical under the hood.

The difference for me was entirely in the usability department, and in
my opinion, makes the 20D definitely worth the price over the RebelXT.


The value of the controls and readings being where they are on this
camera makes all the difference.

If I hadn't splurged and bought the 20D, I would probably have bought a
Nikon instead of the RebelXT. I'm pretty sure I would not have bought
the Rebel at all. That's how big of a difference it makes to have a
few pieces of info on the LCD on the top, plus the way the shutter and
aperture controls work, and every other control that's really in a well
thought out place. Same camera on a feature list, sure, but a much
better experience in your hands.

Now, I am looking for a film camera to use with my Canon lenses, and I
might consider a RebelXT as a gift for a family member, but I wouldn't
pay a thousand bucks for it.

There are a lot of things I like about the 20D, as the new wears off
and I get accustomed to using it, but I don't know how much of that
would be just as good on another camera.

To be honest, my best images since getting the SLR, have been taken
with my Powershot A85. I've got 3 matted 8x10's from that camera on
the wall in front of me, and it's a bit embarrassing, or something like
that. I tend to have that Powershot with me at all times, in places
where I'd never dream of taking the, god-awfully expensive SLR... And
I've gotten some good images out of it.

This morning I'm going to Oregon. I'm going to do my best to get some
good photos out of the SLR. I don't have any lenses to brag about,
but I still think I can get some results. Wish me luck.
!