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January 27, 2012 11:18:37 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: One or two months

Budget Range: 300 - 400 €

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Internet, Distributed Computing, Office, Multimedia Playback

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, Speakers, OS, DVD Writer and Reader, Hard Disk Drive, CPU Cooler, 3 Extra Fans, Possibly Case and PSU,

Doubtfully RAM

Country: Greece

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
http://www.skroutz.gr/ (Has database of several Greek stores)
http://www.plaisio.gr/ (Probably the biggest electronics store in Greece, usually more expensice than most)
http://www.e-shop.gr/ (Decent prices and services, where I got my latest PC, very satisfied with it)

Parts Preferences: 64bit Processor.

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: No

Monitor Resolution: 1280x1024

Additional Comments: Basically I want to run Skyrim in ultra settings with a lot of slack for mods that pretty it up

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Hard Disk Drive: Barracuda 7200.11 SATA 3Gb/s 1-TB Hard Drive (Current PC)
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=0732f14...
In case this drive makes the rest of the system cramp I am willing to get an SSD drive. Should I get one?

CPU Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO (Current PC)
http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6741
From benchmark tests of the cooler I have seen it holds very well even for powerful processors. Will only change if incompatible with new cpu/motherboard.
Question though. The thermal paste that came with it, I think it was different from some convential paste I had purchased. You think I would need to purchase any special paste?

PSU: TR2 Standard 550W PSU (Current PC)
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1172&ID=15...
I don't think my new rig will need more than 550W. Do tell me if you object please.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 975 (NEW) 159.00 €
http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.559625
I saw these are quite overclockable with a good motherboard.

Motherboard: Asus M4A89GTD PRO (NEW) 116.85 € + 3 € shipping = 119.85 €
http://www.skroutz.gr/s/260898/Asus-M4A89GTD-PRO.html
From what I saw this board would be very helpful for overclocking, its bios was one of the best I've seen.

RAM: I don't really remember what make my RAM is. I'm gonna provide info from PC Wizard
Manufacturer: Apacer Technology
Type: DDR2-SDRAM PC2-5300 (333MHz) - [DDR2-666]Format : Regular UDIMM (133,35 x 3)
I doubt these will be usable in my new pc. Either they won't work or they slow down the whole system. Is there a chance if I purchase new high speed RAM and still keep these old ones without affecting the system negatevily?
I really don't understand what I have to look for in RAM so please, tell me a particular model or what to look for.

Case: A simple Mid case, I don't think there will be a problem with the motherboard fitting it. (Current PC)

GPU: SAPPHIRE HD 6790 (NEW) 129.00 €
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/SVGA/Sapphire-...


Total: 407.85 €

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January 27, 2012 11:42:20 PM

ok,

thermaltake PSU is only 'Okay' -- there are better quality models for similar prices. Consider as Corsair CX 430w or CX 500W instead

the RAM and motherboard are OLD tech. I'd suggest a 970 or 990 mobo. and DDR3-1600.

the 6790 is ok, but a 6850 is better and not much more. with 6790/6850 you can use the corsair 430W just fine
January 27, 2012 11:44:57 PM

Quote:
Case: A simple Mid case, I don't think there will be a problem with the motherboard fitting it. (Current PC)


Try this: http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/PC-Cases/Coole...

Quote:
RAM: I don't really remember what make my RAM is. I'm gonna provide info from PC Wizard
Manufacturer: Apacer Technology
Type: DDR2-SDRAM PC2-5300 (333MHz) - [DDR2-666]Format : Regular UDIMM (133,35 x 3)
I doubt these will be usable in my new pc. Either they won't work or they slow down the whole system. Is there a chance if I purchase new high speed RAM and still keep these old ones without affecting the system negatevily?
I really don't understand what I have to look for in RAM so please, tell me a particular model or what to look for.


That RAM is quite a bit slow for a modern AMD CPU. You'll need 1333 or 1600 for a regular AM3 CPU. Something like this will be faster and better for what you want it to do:
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/RAM/Corsair-XM...

Quote:
PSU: TR2 Standard 550W PSU (Current PC)
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Prod [...] 72&ID=1540
I don't think my new rig will need more than 550W. Do tell me if you object please.


It will be fine for what you need it to do. But if you want to add a second card or a more powerful card you'll need 600 or 700 just to be on the safe side.

Quote:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 975 (NEW) 159.00 €
http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.559625
I saw these are quite overclockable with a good motherboard.


Motherboard: Asus M4A89GTD PRO (NEW) 116.85 € + 3 € shipping = 119.85 €
http://www.skroutz.gr/s/260898/Asus-M4A89GTD-PRO.html
From what I saw this board would be very helpful for overclocking, its bios was one of the best I've seen.


It is except anything below 970 and 990FX won't support the latest hardware out there. This would be a far newer board for the same money:
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/Motherboards/G...

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Hard Disk Drive: Barracuda 7200.11 SATA 3Gb/s 1-TB Hard Drive (Current PC)
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index. [...] ee0a0aRCRD
In case this drive makes the rest of the system cramp I am willing to get an SSD drive. Should I get one?


I wouldn't to start with - the cost per MB is still outrageous and with a Windows install taking up 16GB of space on a 64GB SSD you'll really regret not having room to store anything. Get the 1TB now and then get the SSD later on as an upgrade.
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January 28, 2012 12:11:32 PM

Thanks a lot for the suggestions.
Case:
I really don't want to spend extra money on a new case. My current one will do.

Motherboard:
These 970 and 990 are actually cheaper. I believe you know what you're talking about so I'm gonna go with it.
Would you suggest ASrock, MSI, Asus or Gigabyte? Who do you believe makes the best builds?
I find Asus M5A97 interesting because it says it has Auto Overclocking utilities.
Do you think it would be any good?
http://www.skroutz.gr/s/352368/Asus-M5A97.html (94.89 €)

Total goes to 382,89 €, exactly what I needed to get new RAM as well.

RAM:
I think I'm gonna go with Corsair Vengeance 4GB (25.01 €), I would have more choices from more stores but I'm buying the CPU from e-shop as well so there will be no transfer fees

Total goes to 407.9 €.

GPU:
I could go for the Sapphire HD6850
for an extra 10 €.
Do you really think it's worth it?
Cause I want to save every penny I can to get a better PSU.

Here's the question if I bought either the 6850 or the 6790 would there be any problems with my current 550 Watt PSU?
ScrewySqrl said:
with 6790/6850 you can use the corsair 430W just fine


Can a 430 Watt PSU really cope with this rig? I'm not really sure how this works. With the calculator found here I found that my PSU should be about 550 Watt. Maybe there is some other factor I don't know of that is more important than Wattage.

My current PSU should be able to make it, if however you can explain how Corsair 430W would work even though it has lower Wattage, I will consider buying it.

January 28, 2012 12:15:06 PM

I would get the Corsair CX500. The 6850 is totally worth it, will give u a performance boost. Asus and Gigabyte are the top mobo makers, noone better.
January 28, 2012 1:04:57 PM

Okay so I'm getting Corsair Builder Series CX500, there was a regular and a V2 choice, I'm getting the V2.
+56.89 €

and the 6850 instead of the 6790
+10 €

Total
474,79 €

...A lot over budget but I really think this is gonna work out nice.

Overview

Hard Disk Drive: Barracuda 7200.11 SATA 3Gb/s 1-TB Hard Drive (Current PC)
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=0732f14...

CPU Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO (Current PC)
http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6741

PSU: Corsair Builder Series CX500 (New) 56.89 €
http://www.skroutz.gr/s/343393/Corsair-Builder-Series-C...
http://www.corsair.com/power-supply-units/builder-serie...

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 975 (NEW) 159.00 €
http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.559625
http://shop.amd.com/US/All/Detail/Processor/HDZ975FBGMB...

Motherboard: Asus M4A89GTD PRO (NEW) 94.89 €
http://www.skroutz.gr/s/260898/Asus-M4A89GTD-PRO.html
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3/M4A89GTD_PRO/

GPU: SAPPHIRE HD 6850 (NEW) 139.00 €
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/SVGA/Sapphire-...
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=&...

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 4GB (NEW) 25.01 €
http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.553148
http://www.corsair.com/memory-by-product-family/xms-cla...

I think this should do, I just need to squeeze out an extra 75 €.

Thank you for your suggestions, who knows by the time I have the money maybe these will be cheap enough to buy on budget :D 
January 30, 2012 5:59:01 AM

I just found this little treat AMD Phenom II X6 1090T for 154,50 € (cheaper than the AMD Phenom II X4 975) and I've read articles of it being overclocked to 4.4 GHz with the Auto Overclocking Utilities of my motherboard of choice with just a decent air cooler.
January 30, 2012 1:43:08 PM

never count on overclocks. every chip is different, even within the same batch. very minor differences can make a huge difference in overclocking ability. NO chip is guaranteed at anything more than its stock value.
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